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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:34 pm 
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Keogh, why the hell do you want a 4th tall defender in the side...



Because he wants us to lose. It suits his argument.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:14 pm 
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Keogh, why the hell do you want a 4th tall defender in the side...



Because he wants us to lose. It suits his argument.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:17 pm 
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All has been covered really well and so pleased I came back. This will be my only game this year, so wrapt in the win, so for me that was the biggest "con"


Slightly off topic but a message to all the Foreign Legion Blues fans around the world - looking forward to seeing you all on line during game day.

Go Blues!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:11 am 
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Here it is in a nutshell Cazz
I am 47 a lot older than most who post on this site
yet I have a young taste in music that I know deep down you appluad
I aint a pessimist
I am a realist
After round 9 we will have mor of an idea where we are at.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:53 am 
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I reckon if we are 5 and 4 after 9 rounds I would be happy.


I'd take a step to the left if I was you Keogh. The big fella is bound to send down a lightening strike it you keep telling fibs, because you're never happy with anything CFC does :wink:

Regards Cazzesman




You either havent read all my posts or
Have and dont comprehend very well

What I have posted isnt all negative
keep pushing that barrow though if you want


Do you have any opinions about what would be an acceptable pass mark as far as win loss raios are concerne for the CFC Cazz
or as usual you just post hot air.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:58 am 
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keogh wrote:
Here it is in a nutshell Cazz
I am 47 a lot older than most who post on this site
yet I have a young taste in music that I know deep down you appluad
I aint a pessimist
I am a realist
After round 9 we will have mor of an idea where we are at.


No doubt about all that. But you go through life thinking the next 8 games are going to be all doom and gloom.

But most of us here take the opposite tack. We are looking forward to seeing what excitement and joy the boys can bring us over the next 2 months. We are also realistic enough to know that it will be 3 steps forward and 2 steps back because we are not StKilda or Geelong at the moment. But many are excited about the 3 steps forward. Your waking day is spent with a glass half empty thinking about the 2 steps back.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:09 am 
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Just watched the match for a second time and have to say although it was only Richmond (who I thought played pretty well at times) I was fairly impressed with the skills.

Was really worried before this match, I knew we would win, but what was important was if we were a genuine finals contender or like most assume just also rans.

Well, there is still work to do BUT I am much more confident now than before the match. To me it just looks like we have close to the right personell and that the natural improvement of the team going forward will win the day (eventually). Considering all the compromised drafts etc about to take place, we really are in a great position.

Out of interest did anyone else notice how much bigger our boys are compared to last season?

Watching the game it was the first time I felt we were the men and the opposition were the boys.

As YAZ would say ... THE ONLY WAY IS UP!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:34 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Here it is in a nutshell Cazz
I am 47 a lot older than most who post on this site
yet I have a young taste in music that I know deep down you appluad
I aint a pessimist
I am a realist
After round 9 we will have mor of an idea where we are at.


No doubt about all that. But you go through life thinking the next 8 games are going to be all doom and gloom.

But most of us here take the opposite tack. We are looking forward to seeing what excitement and joy the boys can bring us over the next 2 months. We are also realistic enough to know that it will be 3 steps forward and 2 steps back because we are not StKilda or Geelong at the moment. But many are excited about the 3 steps forward. Your waking day is spent with a glass half empty thinking about the 2 steps back.

Regards Cazzesman


Some are content with half a glass, others see the empty half and want to fill it up to make a full glass. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:58 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
But most of us here take the opposite tack. We are looking forward to seeing what excitement and joy the boys can bring us over the next 2 months. We are also realistic enough to know that it will be 3 steps forward and 2 steps back because we are not StKilda or Geelong at the moment. But many are excited about the 3 steps forward. Your waking day is spent with a glass half empty thinking about the 2 steps back.

yep, i agree. we wont win the premiership this year, but i sure as hell am gonna get a lot of joy out of watching our team develop and get closer to one. the journey is half the fun, right?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:26 pm 
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the biggest pro for me was simply.

the all-in.

about time we had abit of that happening. for too long, someone would get sniped, a couple would go in and that would be the end of it. several times we had a couple cheaps shots pointed in our direction, and the response by the team was spot on.

all for one, and one for all.

well done blues. it was a very dark day for the club when murph got smashed in his first year and not a single player remonstrated. that, IMO, was probably the worst thing i have seen happen in a carlton jumper.

when Warnock was on the ground with 2 tiger players, the response (while it will cost the players abit of coin which is stupid) the response from the players. spot on.

you dont hit a player, you hit a team. the response by the blues players was spot on.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:12 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Do you have any opinions about what would be an acceptable pass mark as far as win loss raios are concerne for the CFC Cazz
or as usual you just post hot air.


A pass mark to me is based on how we actually play in each game. We might be 1/8 after 9 games but if we match all the next 8 teams in intensity and desire and come up short by less than a goal in each game then I would still be happy that we are on the improve. I would be sad that we would be losing but to me it is how they play as a team rather than the actual result. A winning result is terrific but the 1st thing we have to start doing is the simple things well minute by minute, quarter by quarter. We have to mentally and physically match the best before we can think about moving past them.

I am easily satisfied because at the moment I just want to see the players and the team make steady improvement. They already have and I am confident the improvement will continue over the season. If they make improvement as a team then the winning will come. My expectations are that we can develope a young forwardline and onball brigade to carry us on for the next 5 years.

You keep telling me you are a realist, well so am I. We just come at being a realist from different directions.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:03 pm 
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The most satisfying game I have been to was the Saints game last year.
We played as a team in a great game and lost. Yet I walked out happy
So I dont have a glass half empty view.
Your assertion is completely wrong IMO and based on fuckall evidence

Still maintain we need a different captain
Our coach has been at the helm for 2.5 years. No more excuses because of our young list.
With all the top 20 draft picks we have had its about time we start delivering.
Kickouts need massive improving
The tempo footy was used way too early.

Providing we have a good run with injuries we should win one final this year.
Anything less will be a disappointment.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:22 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The most satisfying game I have been to was the Saints game last year.
We played as a team in a great game and lost. Yet I walked out happy
So I dont have a glass half empty view.
Your assertion is completely wrong IMO and based on !@#$%& evidence

Still maintain we need a different captain
Our coach has been at the helm for 2.5 years. No more excuses because of our young list.
With all the top 20 draft picks we have had its about time we start delivering.
Kickouts need massive improving
The tempo footy was used way too early.

Providing we have a good run with injuries we should win one final this year.
Anything less will be a disappointment.


You cant say tempo footy was used way to early unless you have the data and know what they were trying to achieve. Ratts has explained why they do it and it makes sense. He wants the game played on our terms. Not like the bombers who go flat out then fall before 40 mins before the game is over. I do agree that we need to get better at it. Practice makes perfect.


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You cant say tempo footy was used way to early unless you have the data and know what they were trying to achieve. Ratts has explained why they do it and it makes sense. He wants the game played on our terms. Not like the bombers who go flat out then fall before 40 mins before the game is over. I do agree that we need to get better at it. Practice makes perfect.


If you've got your opponent swaying on the ropes you go for the knockout. You don't step back and let him regroup. Common sense!
We should've pushed to the end of the quarter to build an unbeatable huge lead. We then could've put a few extra players behind the ball and cruised for the remaining 3. Instead we let them steady and gain some confidence.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:51 pm 
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You cant say tempo footy was used way to early unless you have the data and know what they were trying to achieve. Ratts has explained why they do it and it makes sense. He wants the game played on our terms. Not like the bombers who go flat out then fall before 40 mins before the game is over. I do agree that we need to get better at it. Practice makes perfect.


If you've got your opponent swaying on the ropes you go for the knockout. You don't step back and let him regroup. Common sense!
We should've pushed to the end of the quarter to build an unbeatable huge lead. We then could've put a few extra players behind the ball and cruised for the remaining 3. Instead we let them steady and gain some confidence.


Practice makes perfect. Ratts believes that controlling the tempo of a game is going to help us win finals. He has stated that in interviews. He also believes when we attack we also leave ourselves open to be scored against. Especially when we begin to tire. He would know how long playing at a flat chat pace we can sustain and would have been informed by the fitness team how the heat would have effected that. Look at the Bombers. THey had the Cats on the ropes in each of the first 3 quarters but got scored against heavily towards the end of each quarter. If they had tempo footy up their sleeve they could have stopped that from happening. The tigers scored 2 goals before we slowed it up (unless you believe that when thornton held the ball in the air was the start of it. If so we are on different pages).

I may be wrong but i am trying to gather info everytime Ratts speaks about tempo footy and he has mentioned most of what i have typed.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:58 pm 
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Good summation club. I'm glad to see some of us are getting it :thumbsup:

Also, start looking out for clubs who hold the ball in the air and then attack....I know, how dare they....right? :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:06 pm 
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club29 wrote:
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You cant say tempo footy was used way to early unless you have the data and know what they were trying to achieve. Ratts has explained why they do it and it makes sense. He wants the game played on our terms. Not like the bombers who go flat out then fall before 40 mins before the game is over. I do agree that we need to get better at it. Practice makes perfect.


If you've got your opponent swaying on the ropes you go for the knockout. You don't step back and let him regroup. Common sense!
We should've pushed to the end of the quarter to build an unbeatable huge lead. We then could've put a few extra players behind the ball and cruised for the remaining 3. Instead we let them steady and gain some confidence.


Practice makes perfect. Ratts believes that controlling the tempo of a game is going to help us win finals. He has stated that in interviews. He also believes when we attack we also leave ourselves open to be scored against. Especially when we begin to tire. He would know how long playing at a flat chat pace we can sustain and would have been informed by the fitness team how the heat would have effected that. Look at the Bombers. THey had the Cats on the ropes in each of the first 3 quarters but got scored against heavily towards the end of each quarter. If they had tempo footy up their sleeve they could have stopped that from happening. The tigers scored 2 goals before we slowed it up (unless you believe that when thornton held the ball in the air was the start of it. If so we are on different pages).

I may be wrong but i am trying to gather info everytime Ratts speaks about tempo footy and he has mentioned most of what i have typed.


Geelong is a much more formidable opponent than Richmond so obviously tactics would differ.

At 15 minutes into the first qtr we probably would have had a couple of rotations of midfielders. No way would we have spent our petrol tickets halfway into the first qtr. Surely you don't disagree with that?

I don't dispute what you say Ratts says. I just think we chose the wrong time to steady up.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:22 pm 
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Rexy wrote:

Geelong is a much more formidable opponent than Richmond so obviously tactics would differ.

At 15 minutes into the first qtr we probably would have had a couple of rotations of midfielders. No way would we have spent our petrol tickets halfway into the first qtr. Surely you don't disagree with that?

I don't dispute what you say Ratts says. I just think we chose the wrong time to steady up.
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You have an opinion and thats fine. I am happy if they did it just to get use to it as a part of our gameplan but i dont believe that was case. It was a hot night and with them starting to score it may have been a good time. With GPS and heart rate monitors and various other stats fed to the coaches i am sure they were in a better position to make the call than us up in the stand. May have just been that all indicatiors pointed towards them starting to get momentum so us going for tempo is our plan to stop such things (we need to get better at it ). In the pre season Crows game we slowed it up 8 mins in.

Only the team and coaches know the whole plan. Above is just how i see it.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:36 pm 
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I'm sorry club, but I don't accept we were physically spent 15 mins into the 1st qtr, after a couple of rotations, against a skinny young inexperienced uncompetitive opponent. We had all the momentum, Richmond didn't.

I wasn't at the Carlton/Crows preseason game, but I'm sure we weren't out of petrol tickets 8 minutes into the 1st qtr either.


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Rexy wrote:
I'm sorry club, but I don't accept we were physically spent 15 mins into the 1st qtr, after a couple of rotations, against a skinny young inexperienced uncompetitive opponent. We had all the momentum, Richmond didn't.

I wasn't at the Carlton/Crows preseason game, but I'm sure we weren't out of petrol tickets 8 minutes into the 1st qtr either.


We won by ten goals and ran out the game very well. I think we timed when to go and when not to go very well. I think a few missed passes when we were slowing things up cost us. I think we need to improve on that. I think the game was played entirely on our terms. Ratts seems happy with that even if you and Keogh arn't.


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