Disagree Cazz, sure the timing was laced with spite, but let's not attack the messenger. Juddy's lack of leadership was appalling.

Why should the Mars deal get up her? It's an indictment that it took a club with our history, brand and prospects so long to get a major sponsor.

Just hope Juddy takes on board some of the points she raised, will be surprised if he doesn't.

Yep SB, timing is unfortunate.

I admire your passion and your courage for putting forward Carrazzo as an alternative....but....surely you would need someone as captain who has achieved something on field?

how many times Carazzo placed top 3 in the b & f?
how many times has he been All-Australian?
how many times has he won the Brownlow?
how many times has he won a premiership?


I don't think Carazzo's cv is anywhere near as impressive as Judd's.
Judd is a gun player and surely that ability on field has to come into calculations.

We would be fools look past a premiership captain full stop. Judd is the man to lead us. He would have noted his deficiencies
and would be working hard on improving them.

After the media took such a strong hand in the sacking of Fev ... watch them quickly change gear and say what a big mistake it was for Carlton to let him go ... I bet this happens before round 4.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

So anytime someone uses handcuffs in the bedroom they're raping their partner?





Yes, it's ridiculous comparison, just for a laugh.

Hi BM,
thanks for your thoughts.
I didn't agree with anything you wrote except the last line (go blues) so it's not a female thing!
Honestly,I hung out 24/7 with men in bands,in recording studios..before that with 3 of em invading my growing up space,and no sisters...sure the boys in the bands drank...some..not all..cos they thought for themselves...err...some of them...but it was through music that we all bonded...not booze and women for them..it was the timeless moments that counted...and surely its playing great footy together..moving as one giant beastie that will cement them...long after the hangovers...?
its just another point of view.
Drunken name calling followed by hugs and...aww..geez you know i love you's is not the same as really bonding..errr...is it?
geez...this v's day is way too weird..thank God I'm going for a romantic dinner.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

"... No-one at the Age stopped Robbo inventing a story about Terry Wallace having been sacked as Richmond coach, even though there was at least one (very) senior member of the Football writing staff on the Age with very close personal ties to the club.

This is why Caroline Wilson deserves to be scrutinised. As Chief Football writer, she failed the Age that day in June- even though she was not alone in being accountable - and every Age reader should hope she realises this. So far as the public is aware neither Wilson, nor indeed her superiors, took any action to discipline Robinson for his errant fabrication. Robinson's early form so far in 2010 raises serious questions about whether he has learnt anything from his mistake.

Perhaps if this were an isolated incident Wilson's inaction might be overlooked. But Wilson was also the Chief Football writer several years ago when one of the Age's football writers dragged himself on radio to tell all of Melbourne that Justin Koshitske was being investigated by police for very serious criminal offences. He wasnt of course, but again no action (at least publicly) was taken against Hutchison. Nor was anything heard from the Age Football department when its feature occasional columnist Barry Hall went off his nut (more than once) and dragged the game into repeated disgrace right in the middle of the game's most lucrative, and yet most fragile, market.

It is also interesting that not a word has yet been uttered in the Age about the failure of AFL Captain Chris Newman to take any action to try to curb the excessive behaviour of his best man after last September's Brownlow medal count. This paper makes no suggestion of course that Wilson has instructed Age writers to go easy on Newman because of her allegiance to Richmond. But Wilson has done nothing to reassure readers that she is alive to the potential for perceptions such as this to erode confidence in her paper, and her staff.

As the Age's on-field leader, she has been close to adequate despite her unfortunate two month absence from work which may have put her dangerously behind the pace in the early stages of 2010.

You only have to look at the progress of Sam and Tim Lane to see how potentially brilliantly the Age could fare. But that is no longer quite enough and Wilson of all people should know this. She witnessed first hand how a successful club was cuckolded by mismanagement during, and following, her own Father's presidency and almost brought to its knees. When you are Chief Footbal writer, it is not enough to simply stay out of trouble yourself.

Now, for Caroline Wilson, one of Melbourne's greatest-ever all round female TV and Football writers in her late '40s working for a broadsheet daily, a new season cannot come quickly enough. Unfortunately for her - and for her paper, that will not be until after another 3 or 4 off the record briefings over cognac with Andrew Demetriou at AFL house."

The only problem with what you've written is that Mark Robinson works for the 'Herald-Sun' and Caroline Wilson writes for 'The Age'.

Having said that, I've been one of Wilson's staunchest supporters on this site and generally hold her in high regard, but this commentary lacks two important elements: timing and context.

To write on this subject now is too late. It's already been well established that we had an issue at the club regarding professionalism and alcohol, although if Levi Casboult's father hadn't been searching for fame in the comic book, it wouldn't have been as much of an issue. I'm not excusing the club for the excessive drinking, but to suggest it's solely a Carlton issue is to be too narrow in one's view.

The context of Wilson's article is disturbing. To say that it is the most disturbing off-season issue is to be verging on hysterical. If I was the parent of a prospective draftee, I'd be far more concerned with the potential for my son to become associated with an individual prone to racial violence. Even more so, I'd be worried about my son being in the company of a player with a clearly comfortable relationship with a drug dealer.

For me, Wilson is still the best football journalist in Melbourne, but this article is the worst I've seen from her.

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"The old believe everything, the middle-aged suspect everything, and the young know everything." Oscar Wilde

That article is as ugly as Carro herself...

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Premierships: 1869, 1871, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1877, 1887, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995.

"GIBBS."

I've been called utterly negative of late, even referred to by one poster as akin to Melvey. Fair enough, I'm happy to take the hits.
If I can say in my defence, I have been writing about these issues at the club since the Freo game last year.
While I will admit some steps have been made to change our culture, we are still seriously devoid of a core group of professional on and off field leaders and have been since Bradley McKay Sos etc retired. Off field we are still so tangibly fragile that clubs directors know another balls up can occur at virtually any time. The lengths some of our administrators went into ensuring some other off field exploits werent leaked last year was staggering. As Caro said, we had three senior listed players getting mangled two weeks out from the finals. At what other football club does that happen? Despite those punishments, the @#$%&! ups continued.

Its all very well to say that 'other clubs have problems' and the medias attention should be placed on them. If that makes some posters sleep easier at night, that is fine.

All I'm saying is we have a hell of a long way to go, and the sort of attention the media is giving our clubs leaders should ensure that any wrong step will be painstakingly scrutinized. And that is the way it HAS to be.

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The only problem with what you've written is that Mark Robinson works for the 'Herald-Sun' and Caroline Wilson writes for 'The Age'.

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You are quite correct, I stand corrected.

Its no excuse but I think of Robb and Connolly as being interchangeable windy hill sycophants.

Disagree JW.
Id've thought it'd be easier to avoid one bad person rather than an entrenched bad club culture, which is how I interpreted Caro's comparisons.

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There's so much I could say...

Just started to read this thread and stopped in my tracks at your post b72.

Were you at the end of year Blues Cruise in 2009?

If not, then you are 2nd guessing and making up stories. Just adding to the Chinese whisper....
Worse of all it's making you feel sick because you are starting to believe your story and you are now visualising it.

Dangerous stuff the imagination.

How many @#$%&! times do we have to keep going over old ground? This story and associated rumours has been going on since last year...yep the same story. No one was arested, no one was killed.

Do yourself a favour and forget about it....not long till the season starts.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Great post.

Thanks for reminding me and for lining up the ducks to tell the real story....it's about Caro, not what she thinks, but what she does....that's the footy story.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Only a Naive Nellie would pretend that it's all a media conspiracy and there's been no drinking culture at Carlton.

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There's so much I could say...

only a negative nancy would overplay the situation and carry on like its isolated to Carlton

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Spot on Josh.

Having the media focus on our stuf ups might actually help the Club sort out the culture and make the improvements that need to be made. There are many of us who believe that we have a long, long way to go in this regard.

The equation is simple - stop stuffing up, and the media wille eventually stop writing about it. It might take 6 months after the last stuff up before they stop, so be it.

Focus on what we have control over, and stop worrying about things we don't have control over.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Probably a better cv than Tom Harley
Get the point

This was the kind of answer I was gunning for, more than the usual one line comment of late.
FWIW I have always appreciated your input.

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dane's trolling again