'Potting' Spartels, who you say you 'don’t really know', for having the temerity to democratically challenge for a board position, smacks of a boys club mentality.

How can the membership vote someone off if there are no challengers??

:boysclub:

RIP grass roots democracy.

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Funnily one of the biggest beefs i have with MarkH is he TOLD a member from one of the groups that backed him in the last election "We dont want anybody new on the board".....

Can you believe this guy????

But he ran on a platform last election and i REALLY wanna see how fairdinkum this guy has been on what he ran with,

He like alot of other people dont have anything that really defines who they are except that they wanna be on the board.
They lack policy.. they lack firepower and they dont like competition.




This guy will only be interested in getting himself in for another 3 year term...... where he gives us more of the same...

Thats my opinion Mark... and youre welcome to challenge it.

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Yes but to be fair at least Mark has come on here and talked to us.

He seems enthusiastic and has contributed so he gets my vote.

Maybe others could do a better job but Spartels didn't really convince me with his question and answer session.

I will probably vote for him too though because he came on here, so will probably vote off the other guy.

But I agree with you we should always be on the lookout to try and get the best people on the board.

But I think Mark is doing his best and it's not like we have a Stephen Pagliuca type wanting to get on the board.

OMG

This smacks of heavy politics...and I understand political psychology and political sociology very well.

This one fits in the category of "Mass hysteria". Mass hysteria is always instigated by propaganda. Dangerous ground.

Lets stick to facts. There seems to be some stabs in the dark, guess work and bias which do not pave the way for harmony within and amongst the Carlton family.

Regardless of what Pratt did to turn the ship around, he did what he had to do.
His actions raised some desperate short term capital, attracted the best on and off the field people, built a footy department for the players for their continued improvement and well being, as we assembled a list which is attractive enough for sponsors to ride on the coat tails.

Pratt did his bit, and the board has to continue the momentum. Whether the momentum was started by Sir Richard or not, that's irrelevant. Whatever he did was necessary, and I don't this board or any new board would ever match the revolutionary changes Pratt made, such was the importance and power of the man.

I understand that the direction of the club is easier to manage since Pratt righted the wrongs, by improving the bottom line which helped on field performance etc. That alone perpetuates the momentum for the club in the right direction. That's the legacy. The Pratt legacy. The board have to maintain that momentum, and sure, introduce new ideas.

Any challenger must give us reason to elect them. If new ideas to generate dollars which will give the club further off field stability is a criteria, then they are expected to spell this out. I have seen or read none. What's thie issue?

Lets keep this election civil, honest, factual and keep the smear campaigns off the Carlton brand. The brand is a good one and doesn't need to be tarnished.
This modus operandi starts with a little respect for all things Carlton including Carltonians and that means incumbent board members. After all they are volunteers.

We got rid of a superstar who was tarnishing the brand. If that isn't a hint of what the brand doesn't need, then some people wont learn.

I am yet to be convinced of the need to make change to the board for the sake of making change based on what I've read and heard thus far.

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Bluechuck.. nothing to do with delusions of grandeur.. maybe i care more about what is happening than you do.. maybe i know more about whats going on than you do...... and maybe i like to not sit on my hands as much as you do.

Mark answered the question about what happens with the finance company... and thats what i wanted to know... he claims i inferred he was benefitting ... well maybe i suspected but its nice to have MArk H answering some questions for us.

Now how much has the club benefitted from this intiative??? HArdly anything i would say... it wouldnt be a winning idea.
The pubs deal went belly up....
The money MArk raised was not 'Virgin' corporate sponsorship dollars..
I wanna know what other initiatives Mark has to bring to the club
I would love o know why he doesnt like competition for board spots.
Why we only had a one year sponsor who have now left...

And yes the current coard didnt want Ruffy on the board initially.
And what credibility the board have when Ruffy is now in the newspaper walking on to the board in the middle of an election when others are fighting it out through the process.
If thats not a board that really doesnt have it together.... i dont know what it is...

And sure Bluechucky.... you can be a moderator
Are you doing it because you want to make a differnce or is an ego thing???

i do what i do cos i love my club and i hate being shit canned by opposition supporters.

i think its my responsibility to stir up interest and debate.. and get this board to become accountable for itself.
It shouldnt have to rely on the late Richard Pratt and family if it was energetic and had initiatives.

One way that can happen is the empty suits can leave... and hopefully a bunch of people better qualified who have contacts and wish to be energetic and show initiatives can take its place.

Eunuch board members arent what we need right now.

We need people who can seize the moment and continue the initiative.
This board right now act as if they are running Coca Cola.. where the brand is just so big it doesnt matter....

Mark H has nothing and thats why he wont face anyone.
He prefers hiding and holding on to his seat.

The worst thing about positions that are without pay.. is its often ego driven.
Dont get paid so you dont have the same accountability in theory.... There is no monetary gain .

And Mark i dont have time to be on a subcommitee cos i have a job.. and the rest of the time im here watching you!!!

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Synbad, I think you have made you point. Now, maybe you should get back to your job, hey.

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Hey wait.... the guy should come out and explain what hes done so there is no smear campaign... except the smearing he does himself....
and volunteers are for people in a bygone era.....

i dont want board members to use volunteering as an excuse to either be capable or not capable.
Its a professional elite comp.. which means the people running it are professionals and elite.

The volunteering excuse for underperfomance is really weak.

If youre going to be a volunteer you still have to be great.

Its like the Salvos .. they want your old clothes... but not your REALLY shit old clothes!!

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Sorry mate, but that's your beef.

Did you actually hear the words your friend heard?

Did Mark mean extension of the board or new faces?
Does your friend know what Mark meant?
Does your friend not like Mark H? Is there history?

It sounds like rumour to me.

I can see why any Carlton supporter would want to be on the board for the next 3 years and beyond.
Our Golden Decade is ahead of us and we're knocking on its door.

Firepower....you are never going to reincarnate Pratt...that's firepower.
Right now, we should be building off field momentum.
I like the sums of money we have invested in the footy department.
As for the 1 year Malaysian sponsorship, I'll take the money any day. It was a lot of money for a one year fling.
Please refer to our Positve Financial result; that's good enough for me.

Is there any real challenger on the horizon who has the smarts and the plan to really expedite the positve momentum of our club?
Who is it? Where are they? Why are they not putting their hand up?
Does Spartels have firepower, does he have policy? I failed to get a grip of it from the Q & A.

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Bondi, Spartels might or might not have firepower.... but he did do what noone else is doing... CHALLENGE A BOARD and ALLOW for a review of whats been going on till now .. minus Richard Pratt.

As for my friend..... hes actually in the Harrison camp.. and the guy you refer to as my friend... doesnt twist Harrisons words.
Its a Harrison quote...

Now was i there? No!

But i dont think i can shoot around the world listening to everything thats going on all around the world at every layer to have an opinion on whatever...
Climate
Economy
Sports
Family shit
Professional stuff

If i just relied on what i alone see and here... i wouldnt know much......would i???
id disregard everything...
But Mark can come on and say he has never uttered that line of thinking....

he wont!!!

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And the facts quite obviously are that democratic challengers to the board are considered a NO! NO! by the incumbant boys club who will pot you with statements such as 'you've cost the club $50k'...

Have we not learned anything from the recent past when boards were left democratically unchallenged??!!

I don't want to go back to the days of a closed shop!!

This is a massive issue!

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50k could be well spent on a challenge if done properly, personally i have not seen nor heard anything to suggest that 50k has been spent very well at all this time round.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I'm with you budzy...I follow your line.

With the rules allowing for an invited board member to take a seat, but who must inevitably face an election (ie Ruffy's and Dick's invitation), then yes the democratic process must be followed.

The $50K comment from Mark was absolutely irrelevant and out of order; implying there's a boys club.
Nevertheless, I am into board stability, and challenges must come from worthy prospects with a good ideas, contacts and dollars forthcoming with their vision.

Now I also consider the Mark H $50K cost comment to possibly imply that the cost of election should not be incurred by the club every time any person wanted to challenge for a seat on the board, if they have no value to add and just want to be on the board (maybe because they are just popular) because it's a costly exercise just to change the furniture around with no benefit to the club.

It's great that Spartels wants to challenge for a seat, but what will the benefits to the club be with his inclusion? There is a cost but I can't see the cost to the club if there is no challenge this time.

I believe we are going through a period of stability, and knowing there is a finite term a director can sit on the CFC board, then I would like to see the period of stability continue. I can't see reason for change at the minute, and I question the added value Spartels would bring to the board. Note "Added" value, not the same direction as the current board are moving in...which is a profitable one.

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For the sake of democracy and a stance against a boys club situation becoming more ingrained than it already is, I'm prepared to scratch out a couple of the incumbants names.

I mean let's face it, of the 4 names up for election there aint no masterminds there...

Democracy is the CRUCIAL issue!!

NO MORE BOYS CLUBS!!

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There's so much I could say...

I am a bit uneasy about how the club is travelling off field at the moment.
I read a little snippet in the Herald Sun during the week about the Bulldogs profit result and what alarmed me was not that they made a significant profit but that their revenue for 2009 was 32 million. Now feel free to correct me but in 2009 the Carlton FC revenue was 34 million.
In 2009 we had at least 10,000 more members, our average crowds were significantly higher, we had some of the largest sponsorships in the AFL and we have only 1 million to show for it?

Have I missed something? Please don't tell me we are coming from a long way back.

Grassroots democracy is a non-negotiable ...if you don't want an ingrained boys club situation ...which is what we seemingly have.

The cost of democracy (an election) should be a budgeted priority.

To bitch about the cost of democracy is quite disturbing...

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Real name? Its gotta be his real name, he spells it with a capital "S"!

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im not hiding behind any character.
Ill tell you what boys.... if we all agree to get rid of our nicks and post by real names and address... im all for it.
Whatabout you DIAMOTISM???

You should know... i dont have a problem with identifying myself.
Mark Harrison suggests i do... so i offered to meet him face to face.

So what are we doing?
Are WE ALL going to re register using our real names and addressess or not??

Or just me????



Mark doesnt like what i have to say cos he KNOWS i know what im talking about. He chooses not to face a Question time.
He hasnt murdered anyone... he isnt going to jail... there is no police investigation.... but he should be accountable enough to face us on stuff he brought up before the last election... so we can decide how he is going with them.

The truth is Mark has been underperforming... and another term is withing grasp....but the unfortunate thing for him is its not a walk in the park for him either.
And nor should a seat on this board be a stroll in the park for anyone.

Mark made promises .... and he used this forum to be elected... its his time to face the board.

I reckon im just being vigilant.

Some of you believe there should be NO PROCESS... unfortunately the no process thinggy seems to be a common thread around the club at the moment.

Lucky we had/have Richard Pratt.. cos even though we dont like to follow processes... we still get bankrolled on the drip feed....and thats because the club cant do without the white knight mentality....

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You can run if you want.
It wasnt cheap for Michael either... and besides..... Mark knows he cant count his chickens yet....
.... Spartels isnt throwing his money away cos it will cost him many thousands to throw his hat in the ring.... he might look like he is goldinga cap gun but imagine if that cap gun has more firepower than some in here thought???
grrofunger... dont underestimate people....

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My real name is Horratio Hornswaggle. I use the pseudonym of fraser murphy not just because he was favourite player as a kid, but because I was afraid I would suffer the taunts and ridicule regarding my name that I did as a child. But I want to thank you all for making me feel comfortable enough here to reveal my real name, knowing that ridicule is the last thing that would happen on an internet forum such as this.

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STURDYISM!!

im not financially equipped to run for the board but thanks for telling me i can run if i want

as for underestimating people - all i can go on is what i have researched and what has been presented in front of me and thats how i will make my decision

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.