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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:51 pm 
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poor old wiggo - he cant bloody kick it straight over a jam tin.....

FF? you r crazy!


I reckon you're wrong. Distance is not Wiggins' problem, only accuracy.


I can just see it now. 325 passes to Wiggo for 89 behinds.

Anyione can be positioned at FF, but that doesn't give them the make up required to be an effective FF. There's more to FF than defensive pressure. Wiggo is not a FF.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:58 am 
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Mark J wrote:
Think outside the square everyone.

It's HAMMER TIME

The big man at FF......super quick for his size, 200cm+,aggressive.
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Don't be suprised.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:56 am 
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You'll get more 2nd efforts from Hampson as well than when we had Fevola there.

Defensive pressure is all over the ground - that includes FF; Fevola often forgot that, to the team's detriment. He sometimes did it but St Kilda and Geelong are the teams they are because they are disciplined all over the ground.

Needs to work on his goal kicking - I hope this is a major focus because he has the attributes to be that Tippett-type 200cm marking forward.

This will sound bizarre as well but I wouldn't mind trying him at FB in the pre-season competition as well because he has such excellent athleticism. He will learn to read the play coming at him better by playing in the backline.

In fact, I haven't seen a guy with Hampson's raw attributes in the AFL before. Get his marking and his kicking right and this will require practice and more practice, and he could be scary.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:35 am 
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..the Hammer is good.. ..he's tall, strong, fast, naturally athletic.. ..but he's still relatively new to footy, and is still learning the ruck game.. ..by all means rotate him thru the F50, cos he's usually a straight kick and is a nightmare to match up on.. .... ..but as far as FF's go, i reckon the Krooz has the instinctive understanding of the position.... ..-if- Knockers comes good, i'd have him and Hammer as our ruck combo, with Krooz at FF and Hendo at CHF...... ..if we think we want a 3rd tall, then Waitey playing a loose roaming fwd role would suit..

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:34 pm 
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Waite O'hAilpin Houlihan
Kreuzer Henderson Betts


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:49 pm 
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I know we dont want to put pressure on the kid but let's face it - Henderson was part of the Fev trade and we lost not only our FF but essentially our main forward option. We now have Henderson who has already declared he sees himself as a forward and would prefer to play there. Ratts has stated that Henderson will play forward. Most posts talk about Setanta, Cloke, Fisher, Waite, Krueze and even Austin as being options. I agree they are and they will rotate thru there I have no doubt, but why not give young Hendo a go first! Sure the pressure will be on, but lets face it he was part of the Fev trade so he will unfortunately have that pressure hanging over his head for years to come.

Let Hendo make the most of it and play the kid at FF. At 196cm and 95kg with opportunities and patience he may surpirse us all and become a dominant goal kicking forward.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:16 pm 
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Waite,Setanta, Henderson
Kruezer, Warnock, Hammer

Kick it high and long :grin: :grin: :grin:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:38 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Waite,Setanta, Henderson
Kruezer, Warnock, Hammer

Kick it high and long :grin: :grin: :grin:

:lol: :clap:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:39 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Waite,Setanta, Henderson
Kruezer, Warnock, Hammer

Kick it high and long :grin: :grin: :grin:



Too short - waite to the backline and jacobs to the FP ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:50 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Waite,Setanta, Henderson
Kruezer, Warnock, Hammer

Kick it high and long :grin: :grin: :grin:


I love it. Salivating.

Dry day, fast pitch, winning midfield...Whose in the ruck? Austin?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:26 am 
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CarltonClem wrote:
You'll get more 2nd efforts from Hampson as well than when we had Fevola there.

Defensive pressure is all over the ground - that includes FF; Fevola often forgot that, to the team's detriment. He sometimes did it but St Kilda and Geelong are the teams they are because they are disciplined all over the ground.

Needs to work on his goal kicking - I hope this is a major focus because he has the attributes to be that Tippett-type 200cm marking forward.

This will sound bizarre as well but I wouldn't mind trying him at FB in the pre-season competition as well because he has such excellent athleticism. He will learn to read the play coming at him better by playing in the backline.

In fact, I haven't seen a guy with Hampson's raw attributes in the AFL before. Get his marking and his kicking right and this will require practice and more practice, and he could be scary.



Kouta???

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:34 am 
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Nic Natanui??


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:43 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Waite,Setanta, Henderson
Kruezer, Warnock, Hammer

Kick it high and long :grin: :grin: :grin:


I love it. Salivating.

Dry day, fast pitch, winning midfield...Whose in the ruck? Austin?



Sauce in the ruck....knocks it down to Betts, Yarran or Garlett......Judd, Gibbs and Murph on the bench to come on as impact players :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:45 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Waite,Setanta, Henderson
Kruezer, Warnock, Hammer

Kick it high and long :grin: :grin: :grin:



Too short - waite to the backline and jacobs to the FP ;)



Shit..hang on...what about Cloke? WGAF!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:57 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Waite O'hAilpin Houlihan
Kreuzer Henderson Betts

The problem with that is that we have to play Yarran and Garlett in the Ants.
Play Houla on the wing or in the mids, Rotate Betts off the bench a la Vin Catoggio with Garlett and Yarran on a flank. Play Waite running loose like James Hird and Kouta. There's no point having someone like him where the ball aint. (Sorry to Jack Dyer for the misquote)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:36 pm 
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Blue Beatle wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
You'll get more 2nd efforts from Hampson as well than when we had Fevola there.

Defensive pressure is all over the ground - that includes FF; Fevola often forgot that, to the team's detriment. He sometimes did it but St Kilda and Geelong are the teams they are because they are disciplined all over the ground.

Needs to work on his goal kicking - I hope this is a major focus because he has the attributes to be that Tippett-type 200cm marking forward.

This will sound bizarre as well but I wouldn't mind trying him at FB in the pre-season competition as well because he has such excellent athleticism. He will learn to read the play coming at him better by playing in the backline.

In fact, I haven't seen a guy with Hampson's raw attributes in the AFL before. Get his marking and his kicking right and this will require practice and more practice, and he could be scary.


No, the thing is that Hampson is 4 inches taller than Kouta and runs quicker than Kouta, with equal if not better aerobic capacity than Kouta.

Kouta was a brilliant athlete, no doubt, but Hampson is something else altogether.

Mind you, Natanui is close (though gives away 2 inches to Shaun).


Kouta???

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:36 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Cloke is young, big, hard at it (except against Setanta) leads and marks well and his kicking has improved out of sight.


Sorry BS but IMO as soon as the ball hits the ground, we're playing with 17 players when Cloke's in the forward line.


Often before the ball hits the ground too.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:00 am 
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CarltonClem wrote:

In fact, I haven't seen a guy with Hampson's raw attributes in the AFL before. Get his marking and his kicking right and this will require practice and more practice, and he could be scary.


Lol the bad news is that kicking and marking, the two things you are saying he needs to get right, are probably two of the most important skills in football. Especially if he is to be a FF.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:09 am 
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jt wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:

In fact, I haven't seen a guy with Hampson's raw attributes in the AFL before. Get his marking and his kicking right and this will require practice and more practice, and he could be scary.


Lol the bad news is that kicking and marking, the two things you are saying he needs to get right, are probably two of the most important skills in football. Especially if he is to be a FF.


But the thing is that these two things can be worked on and less difficult to teach than positional awareness, reading the play, desire (!), heart (!) and attitude (!). It's clear that he has the latter 3 in spades.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:42 am 
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Sure we've seen Hammer fluff a couple of shots at goal, but if you care to look at all his shots at goal, right from the first shot, he's not too bad. He started off his kicking at goal in a blaze of glory.

I think it's just confidence in himself, and self assurity that he belongs is the difference between consistent good kicks to goals and sporadic erratic shots. If he concentrates on the end goal and the process in his execution he'll be right.

Some of his shots at goal from the boundary or from 45-55 metres out have been fantastic; better than Fisher who was born into the game imo.

All this Setanta-type talk that he hasn't been born in the game and that he isn't a good kick are off the mark, and no cause for alarm. If that was an issue there would be no Tippett, Kennelly, Stynes etc

Hammer is a damn good player. His 2nd and 3rd efforts and his courage are a great ingredient to add to the mix from our 200+cm player. Forward pressure isn't a problem, it's an assett, and he proved that in the latter games of 2009; he created goals from his 'frontal pressure'.

If we can get the game plan right, and that is not a Hammer issue, but an issue discussed throughout 2009, then I'm sure that with practise and intelligent indoctrination it will prove to pay dividends for both player and team.

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