Name a game Melvey where Fev has kicked 4 or 5 and another forward has kicked 4 of 5

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Hard for someone to be consistent with Fev smashing them from behind because he thinks he has a God-given right to hog the ball.

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Spot on, DUC.

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yeah a guy who comes from a Hurling background. Ratts himself said that it was 50/50 and maybe Setanta should have got in the path of the Bombers players and not have gone for the mark

The first time it happened Fev marked it and IIRC kicked the goal.

Second one he hurt Setanta. Was Setanta in the right position to mark?

Just going on memory but I thought the kick (like many) was on Setanta's head - ie, he couldn't run and jump at the ball. It was a hospital kick.

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More pandering to Fev's ego? Because naturally, any other tall forward is only a decoy or blocker for Fev?
How about Fev remembering that it's the Carlton Football Club, not Fev and The Pussycats?

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But you don't value Ratts opinion, so that point is moot.

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Totally disagree. It is a team game and anywhere else on the field, a player talks the man in front in. Fevs behavior was poor then

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For all his faults, Fev is a gun FF and has been a very important player to the team. He has contributed extensively to many Carlton wins etc.

Earlier in the season (this year) I noted a number of games where the team was able to win without massive involvelment from Fev, which in turn saw more even spread of goalkickers.

When that happened I thought great there is proof we can win without Fev being the main focal point. There is proof that Fev can play with other forwards in the F50. There is proof that Fev can create forwardline pressure which in turn can also bring other forwards into the game.

Now I think in general his ability to create good forward pressure and bring other players into the game has been good (the St Kilda game is just one good example). What has still happened to some degree is the Bad Fev, the one who cracks the sads, and does not do the team things like tackle, harass etc. However I would argue that he has not done that for overly lengthy times during matches or over multiple matches and probably it has been less evident than in the past.

I think Fev will always be Fev, he will occasionally show the type of poor attitude like he did against the Bumbers, but more often than not I think he does do the right thing for the team.

I have concerns when I see comments about him being traded, which seem to be fairly reactive to the point of overreactive and seem to become intensified on the occasions where he has maybe not had a great game, or the "bad Fev" has made an appearance.

I think his good performances have far outweighed bad ones, and the fact that he has developed into one of the best FFs in the land he deserves kudos for. With that in mind I think there is no way know that he should be traded.

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Dermie on SEN this arvo addressed the issue of Fev barrelling into Setanta. He was very strong on the fact that the FF needs to encourage his teammates to go for their marks when it's their opportunity and they must not fear FFs smashing them unnecessarily. Said that if Dunstall had done it to him he'd expect an apology in the change room, and that if none were forthcoming, a fight would ensue.

Brereton would understand this issue very well as one of the great CHFs of the game.

If Ratts and Swanny managed to entice Bazza to our forward line Fevola would think twice about crashing him.

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I agree that there was less perceived tolerance for Fev's crap under Pagan - Ratten gives off an air of sulkiness when talking about Fev, but doesn't seem to take any action


At the end of the day, Ratten is tied to Fev, and that may just be his undoing.


Reports are that Fev might miss this week with a finger injury, so if we go to Freo without Fev and Bower and lose... Finals look VERY shaky and Ratts could be feeling the heat a bit more.

On the other hand if Fev sits out and we play as a team and kick their Wharfie behinds, it will open up a few eyes

Two points:
1. Our forward coach should cop some accountability for the debacle against Essedon. I've always been a sceptical of the "need to break up the boys' club" angle but our forward line is a boys' club, Lappin's apparently an old drinking and card playing mate of Fevola and Houlihan. I was surprised that Lappo got the gig after a lack lustre performance IMO at the Bullants last year.

2. At his age Fevola is starting on a downhill slope physically and seemingly mentally and has to accept more of a bit part role. But would he accept it? Being a team player doesn't allow "The Fevola Show" that he likes to fire up his opponents with.
Trading provides many players with a reality check that helps them to take stock and resuscitate their careers. If we don't trade Fevola IMO we risk becoming a big boys' club centered around "The Fevola Show".

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Would trade Fevola for pick 2 or 3 in the 2010 draft in a heatbeat......

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Good Fev / Bad Fev - the concept of "trust" seem to be pretty important in footy culture these days. I don't see how an ethos of trust can be developed when your main man is bi-polar. We've seen it with Barry Hall (different but the same) and Fev would have a similarly unbalancing effect on the team I would think.