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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:56 pm 
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You'll have to draw the line somewhere though. If we lose again next week, and the week after, eventually you'll either accept we are what we are, or move on to something else.


I don't mind losing. It's the manner in which the loss occurs that I mind. If we lost today by 40 odd points and actually looked like we cared then I'd get over it. The fact we looked gone 5 minutes into the first quarter, is the thing that irks me.

Losing is part of the game. Losing like you don't give a shit is not.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:58 pm 
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We played Richmond in the first round and it was like we were unbeatable , now to me it looks like we think every time we walk on the field we will win just by turning up

NEWSFLASH - We are just not that good


It doesn't help when the club comes out with marketing slogans that place expectations in the media and it's supporters!!!

We feel like we have egg on our faces in front of our opposition supporters!!!

I'm AMAZED there's been no sign of Melvs yet


no suspicious circumstances apparently


Ratten implied at his media conference when asked about expectations this year and his response along the lines of..."it doesn't help when we as a club set expectations, not to mention the media hype" (read into this the marketing slogan - they know we're coming")

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:59 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
So Verbs, what are you on about? Are you happy with today's performance? See no areas for improvement? Think the MC has no responsibility for how the team plays? Think half hearted efforts from the team are fine? So when Ratts said anything but finals would be unacceptable did you interpret that as meaning anything we dish up is acceptable?

With such low expectations of the team you must have been really enjoying the last 7 years. Personally I'd rather see us put in a competitive performance against a second rate crows side. But I guess if our performance today was satisfactory to you then you'll forever be a happy man.


To say you can't accept the perfomance means you can't actually accept following Carlton. That's a problem for a Carlton supporter because it means they can't actually accept the team they follow. Either said supporter actually accepts they follow Carlton or accepts they don't. It's not rocket science gerry.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:16 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
So Verbs, what are you on about? Are you happy with today's performance? See no areas for improvement? Think the MC has no responsibility for how the team plays? Think half hearted efforts from the team are fine? So when Ratts said anything but finals would be unacceptable did you interpret that as meaning anything we dish up is acceptable?

With such low expectations of the team you must have been really enjoying the last 7 years. Personally I'd rather see us put in a competitive performance against a second rate crows side. But I guess if our performance today was satisfactory to you then you'll forever be a happy man.


To say you can't accept the perfomance means you can't actually accept following Carlton. That's a problem for a Carlton supporter because it means they can't actually accept the team they follow. Either said supporter actually accepts they follow Carlton or accepts they don't. It's not rocket science gerry.


Ok Mr Literal why do you always reply as you do? Would you give the individual a non sarcastic congratulations if they switched allegiances? :? Thought not; then what's the deal?

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:17 pm 
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I was there, I was (am) drunk, I was shell-shocked at half-time AND I still baited those fruit tingles to the end.

Was an inept performance, worst of the season. BUT all the premature sacking of players and coaches is ridiculous. First time this season we have been blown out of the water no matter how we have played.

Today also reaffirmed the notion that yout typical fruit tingle supporter resmebles Harold from Neighbours.

Wathcing Fevola in the warm-up, another day of 1 goal and x amount of points was obvious.

Armfield may want to work on his kicking.

Kruezer is a gun.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:18 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
So Verbs, what are you on about? Are you happy with today's performance? See no areas for improvement? Think the MC has no responsibility for how the team plays? Think half hearted efforts from the team are fine? So when Ratts said anything but finals would be unacceptable did you interpret that as meaning anything we dish up is acceptable?

With such low expectations of the team you must have been really enjoying the last 7 years. Personally I'd rather see us put in a competitive performance against a second rate crows side. But I guess if our performance today was satisfactory to you then you'll forever be a happy man.


To say you can't accept the perfomance means you can't actually accept following Carlton. That's a problem for a Carlton supporter because it means they can't actually accept the team they follow. Either said supporter actually accepts they follow Carlton or accepts they don't. It's not rocket science gerry.


Ok Mr Literal why do you always reply as you do? Would you give the individual a non sarcastic congratulations if they switched allegiances? :? Thought not; then what's the deal?


I would applaud their ability to stand by their principles.

Yet to see it happen though.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:19 pm 
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verbs wrote:
To say you can't accept the perfomance means you can't actually accept following Carlton. That's a problem for a Carlton supporter because it means they can't actually accept the team they follow. Either said supporter actually accepts they follow Carlton or accepts they don't. It's not rocket science gerry.


I think we might be reading from different pages Verbs.

I follow the jumper, it doesn't mean that I accept as correct everything done by people wearing that jumper or every decision made by those employed to ensure the best possible representation of that jumper. Didn't a wise Carlton identity once say "Don't dishour the jumper son, because it won't dishonour you" (or something like that). I don't accept that the team or the MC put in a performance that did honour to the jumper today. Players and coaches come and go, the club and the jumper are constant.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:21 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
verbs wrote:
To say you can't accept the perfomance means you can't actually accept following Carlton. That's a problem for a Carlton supporter because it means they can't actually accept the team they follow. Either said supporter actually accepts they follow Carlton or accepts they don't. It's not rocket science gerry.


I think we might be reading from different pages Verbs.

I follow the jumper, it doesn't mean that I accept as correct everything done by people wearing that jumper or every decision made by those employed to ensure the best possible representation of that jumper. Didn't a wise Carlton identity once say "Don't dishour the jumper son, because it won't dishonour you" (or something like that). I don't accept that the team or the MC put in a performance that did honour to the jumper today. Players and coaches come and go, the club and the jumper are constant.


Again, lap up the good times, and the world owes you during the bad times. Exactly what I said at the start.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:24 pm 
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I was there, I was (am) drunk, I was shell-shocked at half-time AND I still baited those fruit tingles to the end.

Was an inept performance, worst of the season. BUT all the premature sacking of players and coaches is ridiculous. First time this season we have been blown out of the water no matter how we have played.

Today also reaffirmed the notion that yout typical fruit tingle supporter resmebles Harold from Neighbours.

Wathcing Fevola in the warm-up, another day of 1 goal and x amount of points was obvious.

Armfield may want to work on his kicking.

Kruezer is a gun.


It would be ridiculous if you did it tomorrow but if you don't already have a fair idea about many of them then you are holding on for a miracle. The more you learn about individuals both good and bad can only be a positive thing, in the long run, IMO.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:32 pm 
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They should leave Russell in Adelaide !!! His game on knights was "ordinary at best".

The following players will not play in a premiership at Carlton in their lifetime !!!

Jordan Russell
Simon Wiggins
Steven Browne
Richard Hadley
Denis Armfield

Stamp their papers now and make sure they never put the Navy Blue Gurnsey on Again !!!!!!!!

Time to give the next lot of young players on the list a go.
This time tomorrow night we will be out of the 8 !!!!!!!!!


Disagree about Browne. Think he could be ok.

Agree with Armfield and Russell and there are others. THe problem is if we don't get a better recruiter the new young players that we get are likely to be the same result.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:33 pm 
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Wangers wrote:
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We played Richmond in the first round and it was like we were unbeatable , now to me it looks like we think every time we walk on the field we will win just by turning up

NEWSFLASH - We are just not that good


It doesn't help when the club comes out with marketing slogans that place expectations in the media and it's supporters!!!

We feel like we have egg on our faces in front of our opposition supporters!!!

Who gives an absolute flying @#$%&! about the membership slogan. Out of 100 things wrong at the moment that would be number 100 on the list.

Expectation is something we, as a big club in Melbourne, need to deal with. Its so unimportant in the whole scheme of things that its absolutely churlish to even think about bringing it up as some sort of excuse.

And if you reply with "Well i'm copping it from my mates, pricks at work" blah, blah, blah i'll fair dinkum throw up :banghead:

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:35 pm 
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I don't want to go to work on Monday. :cry: :cry: I am going to cop it big time. I told everyone we're coming. :oops:


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:39 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
verbs wrote:
To say you can't accept the perfomance means you can't actually accept following Carlton. That's a problem for a Carlton supporter because it means they can't actually accept the team they follow. Either said supporter actually accepts they follow Carlton or accepts they don't. It's not rocket science gerry.


I think we might be reading from different pages Verbs.

I follow the jumper, it doesn't mean that I accept as correct everything done by people wearing that jumper or every decision made by those employed to ensure the best possible representation of that jumper. Didn't a wise Carlton identity once say "Don't dishour the jumper son, because it won't dishonour you" (or something like that). I don't accept that the team or the MC put in a performance that did honour to the jumper today. Players and coaches come and go, the club and the jumper are constant.



Well said gerry, well said....

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:39 pm 
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If Ratten made mention of that expectation in the press conference he's completely lost me.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:40 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
So Verbs, what are you on about? Are you happy with today's performance? See no areas for improvement? Think the MC has no responsibility for how the team plays? Think half hearted efforts from the team are fine? So when Ratts said anything but finals would be unacceptable did you interpret that as meaning anything we dish up is acceptable?

With such low expectations of the team you must have been really enjoying the last 7 years. Personally I'd rather see us put in a competitive performance against a second rate crows side. But I guess if our performance today was satisfactory to you then you'll forever be a happy man.


Some posters seem to deal with a disappointing loss with a passive-aggressive quasi-zen attitude.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:42 pm 
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aramari wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
So Verbs, what are you on about? Are you happy with today's performance? See no areas for improvement? Think the MC has no responsibility for how the team plays? Think half hearted efforts from the team are fine? So when Ratts said anything but finals would be unacceptable did you interpret that as meaning anything we dish up is acceptable?

With such low expectations of the team you must have been really enjoying the last 7 years. Personally I'd rather see us put in a competitive performance against a second rate crows side. But I guess if our performance today was satisfactory to you then you'll forever be a happy man.


Some posters seem to deal with a disappointing loss with a passive-aggressive quasi-zen attitude.


Perhaps you should analyse 14,000 posts and see what you come up with. A tip, it won't be airy fairy mumbo jumbo like "I support the jumper".


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:45 pm 
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I don't want to go to work on Monday. :cry: :cry: I am going to cop it big time. I told everyone we're coming. :oops:


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:45 pm 
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Lol this thread is ridiculous! Sure we were smashed but we played a shit game that in no way reflects where we are at the moment. Every team play shit games, even the best. Does anyone remember Geelong losing to Collingwood by 80 points?
I haven't seen the game nor do I want to, but what I wanna see is how we follow up next week.

We haven't been in great form but I think we are definately improving. The calls for Armfield and Brownes head is an absolute joke! These guys have played what? 30 games? If that???

Armfield has the balls to take the game on and the speed and his ball using skills are on their way.Give him some @#$%&! time.

Our season is far from over. A couple of wins and we are right back in amongst the top couple of teams. I think we will make the finals, and it will be an awesome build up for the next few years when we will become a powerhouse of the competition.

We are not far off. Don't jump off the bandwagon because of one off week. It will happen again, it is how we learn from our mistakes and improve upon it that will continue the development of these great group of kids that are wearing the Carlton jumper at the moment.

Go the Blues, lets prepare to stick it up to the Eagles next week!


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You'll have to draw the line somewhere though. If we lose again next week, and the week after, eventually you'll either accept we are what we are, or move on to something else.


I don't mind losing. It's the manner in which the loss occurs that I mind. If we lost today by 40 odd points and actually looked like we cared then I'd get over it. The fact we looked gone 5 minutes into the first quarter, is the thing that irks me.

Losing is part of the game. Losing like you don't give a shit is not.

That's the thing that got to me also. I said to Blue Beatle after five minutes we were going to get flogged. The players didn't seem to want the footy as much. They tried to run the ball with the breeze and I lost count of the number of times I shouted "Kick it!" at the TV as they handballed it yet again to a player in a worse position orr to an Adelaide player. For 150 years, kicking with the wind has involved kicking the footy to a forward setup that is supposed to get the footy and kick goals. Today we decided to run it with the wind as well as against it until after half time when the coaching panel remembered what they learned in the U12s and kicked with the wind. Of course, by then it was well and truly too late to do anything.
We won early games kicking to position through the zone and running the footy through the midfield as well. Unfortunately, those who wanted Houla out of the side got their wish and so we have to put up with the poor disposal of those who would emulate his ability but cant and so we can't control the footy as well. The whole concept of marking the footy is to control the pace of the game when you have possession. Skill = gold.
Today was McLeod's 313th game and he was pretty well held By Joseph, who has had a good season. McLeod is an outstanding player but has never been inside a pack in his life, because that is not his role. He is a running, recieving space maker with great skills on both sides of his body. We have a player like that, maybe not in his class as an all rounder but good in his own right. He was averaging about 25-8 possies this year, a goal or two an assist or two or three and a few tackles. He was replaced by whom, a kid who has averaged about 8 possessions a game and apart from a few good things, has looked competely out of his depth? Today he went twice into packs and came out with two frees against. Yarran isn't ready yet, although he looks well balanced when he has a bit of space..
I saw O'Hailpin watching from the sidelines. There is a knot of TCers who think he should be playing and today when Waite got injured, our lack of talls came back to haunt us. We have been playing one tall too few. Kreuzer is a gun but should be played at HF with the odd stint in the ruck and Hammer is doing OK so far. Setanta can hold his own up front, down back or in the mids and we know he comes to play every week, even if he makes a few mistakes.

We will miss Waite. He is a genuine superstar and I hope he isn't too badly injured.

If changes are made, let's select players who will come to play and who have the skills we obvioulsy lacked today.
Gibbs will play well next week. He couldn't possibly have another howler like he did today but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe.

West Coast next week.
Go Blues. The season is on the line every week from now on until we are clear of the pack again.

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