R8: Collingwood v Carlton (Post Match Discussion)

Lowey_47 · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 10:14 pm

Coulda sworn I saw Mitch Robinson run into an umpire in the first quarter...

Only a fine I guess if proved correct...

thegezman · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 10:17 pm

Rafalution wrote:

Geelong or St Kilda would of won by 100pts? Good on them, they still would've only got 4pts like us. They are also far more mature than us.

I've had my differences with Budzy in the past, but he is right, this forum is turning into a sad place.

whats wrong with having high expectations?

we still have a lot of work today, and to think that some people are dissapointed with a 50 point win shows how far we have come.

as for injuries i'd like to see a fit and firirng warnock, walker, grigg, carrazzo, houla and even bentick added to that team.

Pklz · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 10:17 pm

Lowey_47 wrote:

Coulda sworn I saw Mitch Robinson run into an umpire in the first quarter...

Only a fine I guess if proved correct...

Yeah, there was a fair bit of umpire contact today actually.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

thegezman wrote:

Rafalution wrote:

Geelong or St Kilda would of won by 100pts? Good on them, they still would've only got 4pts like us. They are also far more mature than us.

I've had my differences with Budzy in the past, but he is right, this forum is turning into a sad place.

whats wrong with having high expectations?

we still have a lot of work today, and to think that some people are dissapointed with a 50 point win shows how far we have come.

as for injuries i'd like to see a fit and firirng warnock, walker, grigg, carrazzo, houla and even bentick added to that team.

I'll tell you what's wrong.

Posters continue to bag the effort and form of players consistently, including the coach and his tactics, yet when we smash a side it's still not good enough, they expect to win by 14-15 goals? Are we a good team or a bad team? How many teams outside of Geelong/St Kilda have won by more than ten goals this year?

Juddy&theKruezers · **Joined:** Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm **Posts:** 4426

Rafalution wrote:

thegezman wrote:

Rafalution wrote:

Geelong or St Kilda would of won by 100pts? Good on them, they still would've only got 4pts like us. They are also far more mature than us.

I've had my differences with Budzy in the past, but he is right, this forum is turning into a sad place.

whats wrong with having high expectations?

we still have a lot of work today, and to think that some people are dissapointed with a 50 point win shows how far we have come.

as for injuries i'd like to see a fit and firirng warnock, walker, grigg, carrazzo, houla and even bentick added to that team.

I'll tell you what's wrong.

Posters continue to bag the effort and form of players consistently, including the coach and his tactics, yet when we smash a side it's still not good enough, they expect to win by 14-15 goals? Are we a good team or a bad team? How many teams outside of Geelong/St Kilda have won by more than ten goals this year?

Good point actually. In a very even season (Geelong and Saints aside) any win over 4 goals is a romp in.

Dirko · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 10:36 pm

Rafalution wrote:

I'll tell you what's wrong.

Posters continue to bag the effort and form of players consistently, including the coach and his tactics, yet when we smash a side it's still not good enough, they expect to win by 14-15 goals? Are we a good team or a bad team? How many teams outside of Geelong/St Kilda have won by more than ten goals this year?

Orangewhip · **Joined:** Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 6154

Rafalution wrote:

Posters continue to bag the effort and form of players consistently, including the coach and his tactics, yet when we smash a side it's still not good enough, they expect to win by 14-15 goals? Are we a good team or a bad team? How many teams outside of Geelong/St Kilda have won by more than ten goals this year?

(Not shitting on Gezman for me however, just as a statement)

camel · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 10:39 pm

jimmae wrote:

camelboy wrote:

jimmae wrote:

...Yarran was dismal... does he have a groin-related issue? He was really missing any burst of acceleration. That chase of Heath Shaw didn't have him really gasping so you get the feeling he has another gear there; should have done more. His previously noted level of attack on the footy - or lack thereof - was another 'highlight'.

The talent is there but something is holding back his output. Frustrating player...

This was his second game wasn't it? Okay, the chase wasn't great, but we were told when we recruited him that he would mostly play up forward this year and be used as a burst player. The club acknowledged his fitness wasn't a big strength but is confident that over time (read, a couple of decent pre-seasons) that he will be able to play a midfield role.

Just look at the sliky take from the Judd handpass and subsequent goal that Yarran scored. From what we've been told, that is why we recruited him. We've also been told the rest of the package will come with time. Let's give him some, don't you think...

:thumbsup:

I'm not saying he's any where near a failure, far from it. Great with the ball in his hands. But he doesn't work hard enough yet for him to go from 5 to 10 touches.

Gifted one goal, and had the reflexes to give himself another opportunity. Great that he has the awareness and ability for these sorts of things but you have to pressure, not run around like you're waiting for someone to kick it to you.

I can forgive him for having a dip and coming up short, but for whatever reason he doesn't seem to be having a dip. If I'm wrong I do excuse my comments, and add that I wish I looked half as fit and firing when I'm spent.

Fair enough. :beer:

Orangewhip · **Joined:** Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 6154

Yarran is WIDE-eyed.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Remember we have a few handy players out due to injury -Warnock walker carrazzo johnson grigg wiggins and bentick - when in the last few years could we ever have won against any team by 50 points without that quality

We have got lots of improvement and it wasnt a great game but lets enjoy the win

Need to play better but at least intensity was there unlike against freo and to a lesser extent Essendon*

Very young and relatively inexperienced side today -joseph armfield yarran austin browne and hammer all under the 20 game mark

Playing in front of huge crowds helps - over 82 against Carringbush and 86 against Richmond gives finals like crowd and great experience

Having said that a win in Adelaide could set our season up -a must win

Orangewhip · **Joined:** Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 6154

murraycray · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 11:07 pm

A 50 point win and we're not satisfied. :smoking:

Love it, bit by bit we're returning to normal :grin:

RiverRodent · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 11:18 pm

As good as Scotland's courageous effort was, it was not out of the ordinary for him to do it. I was equally impressed for the out of character effort from Stevens when he put his body on the line to be crunched by Anthony on the HBF in the third quarter. He managed to spoil what should have been a straight forward mark and allowed us to clean up nicely.

Yarran does not do enough or try hard enough but I am more than willing to wait for him to develop - provided we don't have to carry him every week - because you cannot afford a weak link against the better teams. Difficult to justify his selection ahead of Houlihan or Garlett at this stage.

Apart from the top draft picks, several of the other younger players are now playing well enough and with the required intensity to justify their places in the team - I speak of Russell, Robinson, Browne, Bower, Austin, Hampson, Armfield, Jamison and Joseph - all have room for improvement but you gotta love their intensity and application.

camel · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 11:18 pm

Ratten's presser...

http://bigpondvideo.com/carltontv/127722
http://sportal.com.au/mediaplayer/audio ... atten-5318

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 11:29 pm

frank dardew wrote:

Remember we have a few handy players out due to injury -Warnock walker carrazzo johnson grigg wiggins and bentick - when in the last few years could we ever have won against any team by 50 points without that quality

We have got lots of improvement and it wasnt a great game but lets enjoy the win

Need to play better but at least intensity was there unlike against freo and to a lesser extent Essendon*

Very young and relatively inexperienced side today -joseph armfield yarran austin browne and hammer all under the 20 game mark

Playing in front of huge crowds helps - over 82 against Carringbush and 86 against Richmond gives finals like crowd and great experience

Having said that a win in Adelaide could set our season up -a must win

Most teams have players out.

some of the ones you mentioned Frank would struggle to be taken seriously.

Cant take too much out of that game.

Judd was he difference against a very ordinary team.

Sure we had some good contributers. Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs (Our number 1 picks) as well as Thornton Waite and Bower... but the effort lacked polish... and the opposition were useless... lets face it!!!

Got the four points but if hardly think that was an improvement. Most teams would have beaten Collingwood in a canter.

Saw some other performances this weekend that were more impressive by less heralded sides.

Getting Fev to move out of the forward line isnt the answer.
It learning to play with him and everybody else in it.

Judd was the difference!!!!

Superstar!!!!

camel · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 11:41 pm

Highlights package from FoxSports... :thumbsup:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 51,00.html

thegezman · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 11:44 pm

Rafalution wrote:

thegezman wrote:

Rafalution wrote:

Geelong or St Kilda would of won by 100pts? Good on them, they still would've only got 4pts like us. They are also far more mature than us.

I've had my differences with Budzy in the past, but he is right, this forum is turning into a sad place.

whats wrong with having high expectations?

we still have a lot of work today, and to think that some people are dissapointed with a 50 point win shows how far we have come.

as for injuries i'd like to see a fit and firirng warnock, walker, grigg, carrazzo, houla and even bentick added to that team.

I'll tell you what's wrong.

Posters continue to bag the effort and form of players consistently, including the coach and his tactics, yet when we smash a side it's still not good enough, they expect to win by 14-15 goals? Are we a good team or a bad team? How many teams outside of Geelong/St Kilda have won by more than ten goals this year?

if we'd taken our chances we'd be 3rd a game clear of the chasing pack.

todays dodgy game plan was the same one that Essendon* AND FREMANTLE exposed, now they ARE bad teams.

adeliade will do what sydney did to us if we dont pull the finger out.

Orangewhip · **Joined:** Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 6154

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon May 18, 2009 8:56 am

gee Essendon* exposed crappy Sainters yesterday - that RL hasn't got a clue how to coach.

club29 · **Posted:** Mon May 18, 2009 9:11 am

The saints struggled a little with the magpies. The pies flood the ball which makes it impossible for them to score but makes it scrappy and hard to play fluid football fot the their opposition.

When the saints played them they were missing Didak, Medhurst, Davis and Anthony. They also had Cloke, Thomas, Rocca all on the bench in the last (no rotations MM favourite things) and also were playing swan injured. In the last was when the Saints pushed away to their big win.

We are not up with the saints or the cats. I am not saying we are. I am just saying we are not as bad as some on here would have us believe. We are not that far off.

We need the team to mature.

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