So true.

20 weeks into the season and we still haven't addressed our 2 biggest problems in the Ruck & Kick ins.

With all due respect...

prior to the start of this season I cannot remember a single poster who was complaining that we couldn't perform kick-ins. The average spiel was that we had no ruckman and that we needed a key defender to help out. But I can't for the life of me remember anyone who said that we couldn't handle kick ins.

Point 'em out Jars...

I'm happy to believe you when I see them. But I honestly can't remember them. I have vague recollections of concern about Simpson taking kick-outs last year, but certainly don't remember much else.

Welcome to Revisionist School 101 Molly.

Your lecturer for this evening is the dean of revisionism, the Sailor Man.

The other problem we have is were looking outside of the cub to fix our problems.,,, apart from Warnock i wouldnt bring in anyone from another club.

We dont need Jonathon Brown..
We dont need Kerr....
We dont need the bananas in the Trading Thread from other clubs,....Mundy... Murphy.... Didak etc....

Do we need to bring in Kerr too???... (and trade away a gun kid and an early pick)

So how is that revisionist?????

O'Hailpin and Bower aren't creative either.

Bower isn't creative?

Bower offers more run, carry and risk taking than most players his size.

But ive been saying all year.. our linking is terrible.. how is that revisionist????

No one is arguing that our kick ins were terrible yesterday, but did you bang the drum about kick-ins last year or when we win a game and the kick-ins are not an issue as we move the ball smoothly from defence to forward without a glitch?

Where we play top 4 teams that implement a different set-up, we will play accordingly in time, but the reality is, we have only played 3 of the top 4 teams and beaten one of them.

I'm not too upset about that as I think we will improve this area going forward.

We cant link out of the back pocket....and into the play..
We cant link a forward line setup that has any sustainabiity at all...

Walker gors forward and he looks good and provides something 'different'.. and then we move him away...

But we have Wiggo and Russell effectivly playing the role of defensive forwards....which means that were lacking creativity into the forward line...

Russell the untouchable forward is part of our plan to kick goals is it???

Russell, Wiggins and Tex were all missing from our forward line yesterday. Do you think Ratts told them to leave our F50 and let their opponents man up on Fev? The players were lazy yesterday in not running back into position and dare I use a Frawley phrase - they'll learn from that.

You might not have noticed but the Wiggler has been very creative for us for the past few weeks/months.

Ive been saying that all along.,....

The other problem we have is were looking outside of the cub to fix our problems.,,, apart from Warnock i wouldnt bring in anyone from another club.

We dont need Jonathon Brown..
We dont need Kerr....
We dont need the bananas in the Trading Thread from other clubs,....Mundy... Murphy.... Didak etc....

TC posters are looking for improvement from outside the club NOT the MC or Ratts. So until we recruit Mundy, Didak etc we will assume that recruitment of hacks is the domain of Pagan for a while.

Aren't you interested in Warnock, Sailor Man?

Our improvement is because we have been so crap that we have some really good footballers at the club now... and some of those eary no brainer picks have improved...
Tactically were pretty lame...Which team has the players that we have in terms of experience and age, do you consider have a fantastic tactical game plan that reflects the players experience and age and is executed brilliantly?

We have had the same problems all year....

So even though some of our number 1 picks have come on.. and we now have Judd..(best player in the comp).. and Fev... (best forward) people are talking about how good our midfield is...
Judd(best midfielder in the competition)
Stevens(creative 28 yr old.) Some would say he is one dimensional, but as it suits your argument, I'll let you use his 'creativity' in your argument.
Scotland(finished rather high in the bn f) As above
Gibbs(number 1 pick 2nd year)
Simmo(24 yrs old)
Murphy(1 pick-3rd year)
Carrazzo (last years John Nichols medal winner) We all know about what it means to win the John Nichols Medal [McKernan, Red], so I'm not giving you that as a reason for picking Carrots as part of our strong midfield.
yet we struggle to link when the oposition puts the squeeze on us... all year ........ It's called youth and inexeperience. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Do we need to bring in Kerr too???... (and trade away a gun kid and an early pick) No we do not need Kerr as he offers nothing that we don't already have with time and patience.

So how is that revisionist????? See above

As a matter of fact im not employed by the club to fix the flaws... Ratts is.. and he hasnt.... I nominated 7 areas, in no apparent order, that we had issues with at the start of the season....

1. Defence
2. Ruck
3. Midfield
4. Forward options
5. Kick ins
6. Tackling
7. Clearances

Of the above 7, we have addressed 4. Still 3 to go, but that will come.

... Remember... its an all year problem.....not 2 games....It's a problem when we lose in most instances, but I get what you mean.

plenty of time to work on player movements to move the ball from defence .. or to Fev... or someone else)

Our answer is play a guy who has been in the botom 4 players just about every week in the forward line....and bring in Saddington.....

Saddington was an interesting selection, but no doubt the MC can say - goodnight Irene to him now after his two games.

Would Jackson be better than Russell??? Dunno... never seen him play this year... Depends what you think Russell does versus what Jacko could do as they are 2 very different players in height, weight and ability. I liken Jacko to Browne or Army. Russell to me is more Grigg.

Could Aisake ruck and provide something???... no clue.. havent seen much of him (reserves of the reserves) Not sure either, but I honestly think there are issues there that are not purely based on the fact that Ratts doesn't like Irishman - I would like to see him play too, but based on Saturday's game, he didn't inspire me, but then again, I'm not on the MC.

Predictability... conservativeness... and chipping the ball around....The players tend to chip waiting for others to move forward into position. But as evidenced yesterday, while we were slow to move, the Roos weren't. At one point I yelled out for a head count - there seemed to be so many Roos on the ground.

Led by some defensive players like TBird who is our quarter back....goes sideways.. stops.. backwards.. in circles... etc./... He has and continues to look disinterested - could be injured, could be bored, I have no idea, but as the quarterback, he ain't it.

Waite as our loose man in defence????Waite isnt smart enough(football wise) nor can he concentrate ... he needs to be given tasks... Interesting when Waitey playing loose works and when it doesn't - too many marks taken in our D50, made it hard for Waite to mop up and clear out - he also mis-timed the ball a few times as well, which didn't help.

Molly,

Here is the kickout thread

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... ht=kickout

the sky is falling


THE SKY IS FALLING!!!


We have moved forward this year, it's all going to plan, dont panic people.

We played a team that had the game plan to beat us, we'll learn our lesson and be better for it.

I can't wait till next season.

and not a Sailor Man post in sight.

So the question that needs to asked is what are the players doing when a kick out is being attemped.. are they working hard enough to create options ... whats been drilled into them???