..there's no problem with tempo footy.. ..yes, it has a place in every side.. ..yes it worked vs pies and eagles.. ..no, we didn't employ it vs cats..

..that 2nd Q was a joke.. ..it wasn't even close to tempo footy.. ..it was keepings off, and there's a significant difference.. ..tempo footy is wresting back control of the game and slowing down opposition momentum, while still being able to advance your own gameplan..

..that is what we did vs pies and eagles.. ..against the cats, we did nothing but play kick to kick, and when the cats did finally rush the man, we got all panicky.. ..were very lucky to snatch that goal before half time, which came from a soft'ish free kick, and then a cats blunder that awarded 50m penalty..

..what it showed, was that we couldn't match it with the cats, and when we did manage to slow the game down, we couldn't penetrate their zone.. ..they didn't even man up well at all.. ..and we still couldn't move forward with any cohesion.. ..it was a big fat white flag vs the cats, and they K.O'd in the 3rd..

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I'd imagine uncontested possession stats would be listed as total possessions - dont really see how taking out a player would increase the number of uncontested possessions, or decrease the number of uncontested possesions for geelong,hawks,richmond.


nice to see you admit you are dumb btw

yeah i am dumb.... thats ok....

well uncontested meaning no shepherds blocks or screens....just running wide....looking for cheap stats and no workrate like geelong and hawthorn do,...

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and how long has eade been at the doggies? - Did he manage to develop the forward structure in his 1st season at the dogs?

Also, many on here feel that a significant part of the problem is that we are too reliant on the one dominant forward - its harder to change an entrenched idea (kick it to fev 9/10 times regardless of who is on him) and to develop forwrds around him (due to starvation of opportunities) than to develop a bunch of lesser forwards as the midfield will be more prepared to look for options whilst going forward.

you ask for stats, people provide them and when it is pointed out how these stats dont suit your points, you deflect and rant about other things - at least you have admitted you are dumb though

yes eade had a gameplan in his fort year at the doggies....


and yes lance is no longer a factor.. youre right!!!

some of his teachings is tho...

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Yes. I'm suggesting they were exhausted and in need of a breather. Why is that too hard to believe?

Many a boxer has been knocked down before the bell only to come back after a breather during the break between rounds. If it were not for the bell, and the break in play (fighting) the boxer who was knocked down in the first instance, usually is not in any condition to control the fight let alone avaoid another knockdown or even knock out from the barrage of punches to the head from the fitter opponent.



Related to the above.

Do you think that the kids are fit enough to do all the things you expect of them for 30 minutes x 4 quarters?

Rubbish.

I understand your point though Synners. We can work on the little things we practise at training and get them right during the game. ie work on the 1% ers such as blocking, shepherding, talking, leading, opening up the game.

The problem with that is that we'd get whipped by 100 points every game becuase we're not good enough yet to execute the other things neede to play all facets of the 'game'.

What do you expect the supporters, and record number members say about 100 point drubbings which we had already endured in the last 5 years under Pagan.

Small steps, and more of a TEAM focus is required moving forward. Agreed. Hopefully we see that next game.

Small steps.

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I loved the tempo period of play in the second. I was laughing when it had gone on for a while and one of the commentators started going crook at Geelong for not manning up.

Love it! 2008 is proving to be a fun year after the Pagn era/2007 tanking.

yeah but after that they rellay got stuck into us...

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4 years of developing. How long has ratten had?

OK so everything that is good with Carlton is because of Judd and everything bad about Carlton is Ratts, I've got it now, thanks

Why didn't you so so earlier and saved the 15 pages that you have posted on this?

Correct. I'm all for icing the clock in the last couple of minutes of a quarter so that we don't give up soft goals that will undermine our hard work.

I don't even mind using it for a couple of minutes at any stage of a game to regroup and compose ourselves after the opposition has got a run on. But there has to be a point to it and it has to have a definate end pont where you try and execute something .

You can't play keepings-off for 6 minutes when you don't even have a lead to protect, then have Krezuer just bomb it into the F50 at the end of it all for a turn over, score a goal off a lucky free kick afterwards, and pretend that it was a positive piece of play.

Judd on one leg is our hardest working player.....

Ratts hasnt got the kick outs sorted out yet.....

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I recall a game where it was executed against the Lions earlier in the season. Can't remember who it was, but again it was hilarious. None of the Lions were manning up and the only Brisbane player attacking side of centre was Brown, and he just ran back and forth between players who were having a kick to kick. I think it just about exhausted him. I was in stitches.

I wonder why teams struggle to man up when this happens? Geelong couldn't do it either.

From Mike and Dan's "Rising Star' interview with Dennis Armfield:

Dennis said



Kids vs Men.

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maybe cos we dont do the basics so its not more natural for us to do????

stevens and carrazzo and scotty were shellshocked cos geelong players were focussed on winning the ball....???

and armfielld with 23 possies and playing with dare wasnt???

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Have you started writing that letter Sailor Man to Ratts about what ails us and how you can fix it?

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In a way, getting the nut and having a red hot go is related to the theme of the thread 'tempo footy'.

I'm thinking that Scotland, Stevens and Carrazzo's roles should change given they have the bigger bodies in the midfield.

keogh has been sayin it all along, and I'm stating to take his side on this.

If the bigger seasoned bodied players went in as hard as Geeelong's players did, maybe the kids would have more legs to carry us through a quarter ....a bit better than we are doing at present, and therefore could carry ourselves better over a 30 minute period.

It's all between the ears.

I'm feeling for Judd. He can't do it alone. Seniors have to stand up and be counted. Let Simmo be the receiver.

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Who... the boys on Triple M?

"SPOTFIRES EVERYWHERE... IT'S ON BOYS"

They're a clever bunch.

Looking past all that, let's take that a step further and look past the immediate benefits and disadvantages of tempo footy.

- Makes players think about running and presenting to the ball carrier
- Gives the players a mental break from the immediate play to assess the flow of the game overall
- Force the opposition to have a think about their tactics given that this was something of a 'curve ball' in the overall flow of the game

Great they got some respite physically and on the scoreboard, but Ratts obviously did not like what he saw at the point and this was the beginning of a message he no doubt unloaded on them at half-time and the conclusion of the game.

The boys let their direct opponents peel off them through sluggish, uncontested footy that lacked talk, creativity and intensity and I can tell you personally it wasn't the tail end of second quarter that had me furious.

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The thing about Ratts and coaching Carlton is this...
as a player he was one of my favourite players....

but i had alot of faves that didnt make it DUC....

Ratts proved himself as a player but has taken the job of coaching....now if he aint cutting the mustard and he isnt teaching them footy so when theyre on the ground they understand the game... its akin to having a Mark Athorn...

Different time... different role... but still the same thing...

Now why do yu reckon we signed Ratts up for 2 years on a minimum contract for an AFL coach???

Could it be if its when and if we find someone better he cops it???

If i see Ratts id tell him my concerns.. dont you worry....!!! ive bailed up Pagan.. Sticks ...Smorgon .. too....!!!

Ratts has to fast track whatever it is he is doing.. if he cant... im sure the powers to be will pull the pin!!!

Too uch money has been invested in this club to just molly coddle a coach now... too uch pain.. and we have places to go!!!

Ratts knows!!!.. im sure....

he would have to be STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... to think hes doing a great job with the way footy is being played today.....

its ruthless!!!

and there is no time for too much emotion... yeah???

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