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Geez I wonder if that was what Clarkson was thinking a year or so back when Hawthorn were renowned for chipping it every where or for that matter Bomber Thompson the Cats were ther worst ones at it and that was only two years ago- That 10 minutes of play before the half time was the best bit of football have seen this side play in years . Showed they can think for themselves and showed ball control

If Pagan had of coached that side we would have lost by more than the West coast did .

there were three others sides lost by more than us against weaker opposition on the weekend- That never happend under Pagan


Youre comparing us to those three other teams are you???

Well that must make you feel better....


well thats obviously three other teams we are better than - we couldn't say that for the last 6 years- remember we are 11th that means there are now 5 teams below us - we can actually look behind us and see something other than our shadow


yes- so why are you comparing our performances with theirs????



well you sound like you want Pagan back

This team is younger than last year and you can see they are learning the game they are adopting different tactics and different times - Learning to think not getting dragged for mistakes - this side is slowly getting better


Why do i sound like i want Pagan back???
You are clutching at straws again arent you???

Im actually not following you..... youre hard to understand.......


This side doesnt know how to play the game ...Ratts was midfield coach last year and senior cpoach for 6 games and 10 games and has had a pre season with them...


Take Juddy out of that side... and a year of them getting bigger and there is not that much difference is there???
Some p-layers have progressed.. some have stalled and some have gone backwards....
Now how much older is a Collingwood ???


midfield coach doesnt mean jack if as you are being directed in what/how to teach, what drills to run. You might have some input but that relies on the coach listening (the former coach was great at that!) and there is a limit to how much input you can have. No surprises that our game style changed when ratten got instilled. Saying he had the whole of last season is a massive stretch.

In terms of how much older collingwood is - see my other post and compare their team profile to geelong. Now tell me, are we really the same age/experience as collingwood?
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If Pagan had of coached that side we would have lost by more than the West coast did .


If Geelong had kicked straight we would have lost by 16 goals. The number they missed from set shots was amazing. Thats right, no pressure, just bad kicks.

Dont be fooled we were beaten by 100 points and more. The score board just said 55, thats all


So by that reckoning, we beat the following teams, by the following margins, if you take into consideration kicking straight and rushed behind:

Collingwood - 47 instead of 23
Melbourne - 75 instead of 33
West Coast - 85 instead of 37
Fremantle - 57 instead of 9

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I think talk of comparing Ratts to Pagan is pure folly...


IMO opinion I hope Ratts takes on the path in which Mickan has taken with my beloved Glenelg Tigers, and that is this

1st Year, evaluate the list, run the kids, look at the old blokes...
2nd Year, more games for the kids, make a stand with senior blokes..improve a position or 3
3rd Year, the Kids are getting to 50 games, the seniors know the plan, fitness base is in, finish in the 8
4th Year, Finals and deep into them...

It's his first year coaching. Reports from various people say Ratts' footy brain is amongst the best they have seen. The kids are inexperienced, we have the youngest list average at 22.9 years, and the lowest average games average at 57.4.

Where the window comes into play is when you have the majority of the list averaging well over 50 games. ATM Carlton is sitting 1st on the list with 17 blokes to have played less the 50 games. Brisbane have the same BUT they also have 13 blokes to have played 100 or more compared to our 7. The teams with the most blokes over 50 odd games are St Kilda, Sydney, Fremantle, Hawthorn, W Bulldogs, Port Adel, Melbourne, Geelong
& Collingwood. Fair to say except Melbourne and the shitehouse Freo, all finals teams...If Carlton get to the games experience like those sides and perform like Freo & Melbourne then I'd be up in arms.

But if Ratts does not show any improvement from this season to the next and then to the next then questions need to be asked ala Wallace at the Tigers....


So Malthouse has been preparing this team for 10 years has he??? :lol:

When did Ratts get "a great footy brain" reports and by whom??

Where was he coaching the next two years???

And Im talking about the Collingwood sides that were out on the park on the weekend...???

What was the average age and game experience???

And who cares about the Glenelg coach???This is abit more complicated than the SANFL./..
You have to draft or trade you cant go out and sign anyone unless you give something up...

Were going to give Ratts 5 years are we???Sorry.. i want to see a sustainable pattern of play...



Alot of our 22 year olds plus are experienced footballers in this day and age...Judd has played 150 games and hes only 24....

Youre talking about the worth of blokes like Rocca etc????

We can keep hiding behind our fingers...... cant we????

Blaming it on youth till the cows come home....

BUT.... are the players tutored succesfully???

Dont kid yourself...

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Hold on a minute 4th chicken.,,,,


Who have Collingwood played over the last 2 weeks and their ages..

and same with us.....

Go through them....


And if our team is too young lets not try and win at all.. whats the point... ???

We are sending boys to do a mans game.. lets all come back in two years or three??

By that time Ratts has been around five and we might have a gameplan???

Is that what yoiu people are saying???

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Synbad wrote:
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I think talk of comparing Ratts to Pagan is pure folly...


IMO opinion I hope Ratts takes on the path in which Mickan has taken with my beloved Glenelg Tigers, and that is this

1st Year, evaluate the list, run the kids, look at the old blokes...
2nd Year, more games for the kids, make a stand with senior blokes..improve a position or 3
3rd Year, the Kids are getting to 50 games, the seniors know the plan, fitness base is in, finish in the 8
4th Year, Finals and deep into them...

It's his first year coaching. Reports from various people say Ratts' footy brain is amongst the best they have seen. The kids are inexperienced, we have the youngest list average at 22.9 years, and the lowest average games average at 57.4.

Where the window comes into play is when you have the majority of the list averaging well over 50 games. ATM Carlton is sitting 1st on the list with 17 blokes to have played less the 50 games. Brisbane have the same BUT they also have 13 blokes to have played 100 or more compared to our 7. The teams with the most blokes over 50 odd games are St Kilda, Sydney, Fremantle, Hawthorn, W Bulldogs, Port Adel, Melbourne, Geelong
& Collingwood. Fair to say except Melbourne and the shitehouse Freo, all finals teams...If Carlton get to the games experience like those sides and perform like Freo & Melbourne then I'd be up in arms.

But if Ratts does not show any improvement from this season to the next and then to the next then questions need to be asked ala Wallace at the Tigers....


So Malthouse has been preparing this team for 10 years has he??? :lol:

When did Ratts get "a great footy brain" reports and by whom??

Where was he coaching the next two years???

And Im talking about the Collingwood sides that were out on the park on the weekend...???

What was the average age and game experience???

And who cares about the Glenelg coach???This is abit more complicated than the SANFL./..
You have to draft or trade you cant go out and sign anyone unless you give something up...

Were going to give Ratts 5 years are we???Sorry.. i want to see a sustainable pattern of play...



Alot of our 22 year olds plus are experienced footballers in this day and age...Judd has played 150 games and hes only 24....

Youre talking about the worth of blokes like Rocca etc????

We can keep hiding behind our fingers...... cant we????

Blaming it on youth till the cows come home....

BUT.... are the players tutored succesfully???

Dont kid yourself...


eh...Where did I mention Malthouse, Rocca or anything Collingwood except the average age/games.

A bit more complicated then the SANFL. Not so sure. The same basics apply no matter where you coach. The same level of success needs to be obtained over a time frame...How can anyone judge Ratts after 10 games ? Bit pre-mature.

If Ratts improves the list, and at the end of his two years there is a clear indication that the club is moving forward why wouldn't you give him another couple of years to reach the ultimate goal....

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sjabc wrote:
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I think talk of comparing Ratts to Pagan is pure folly...


IMO opinion I hope Ratts takes on the path in which Mickan has taken with my beloved Glenelg Tigers, and that is this

1st Year, evaluate the list, run the kids, look at the old blokes...
2nd Year, more games for the kids, make a stand with senior blokes..improve a position or 3
3rd Year, the Kids are getting to 50 games, the seniors know the plan, fitness base is in, finish in the 8
4th Year, Finals and deep into them...

It's his first year coaching. Reports from various people say Ratts' footy brain is amongst the best they have seen. The kids are inexperienced, we have the youngest list average at 22.9 years, and the lowest average games average at 57.4.

Where the window comes into play is when you have the majority of the list averaging well over 50 games. ATM Carlton is sitting 1st on the list with 17 blokes to have played less the 50 games. Brisbane have the same BUT they also have 13 blokes to have played 100 or more compared to our 7. The teams with the most blokes over 50 odd games are St Kilda, Sydney, Fremantle, Hawthorn, W Bulldogs, Port Adel, Melbourne, Geelong
& Collingwood. Fair to say except Melbourne and the shitehouse Freo, all finals teams...If Carlton get to the games experience like those sides and perform like Freo & Melbourne then I'd be up in arms.

But if Ratts does not show any improvement from this season to the next and then to the next then questions need to be asked ala Wallace at the Tigers....


So Malthouse has been preparing this team for 10 years has he??? :lol:

When did Ratts get "a great footy brain" reports and by whom??

Where was he coaching the next two years???

And Im talking about the Collingwood sides that were out on the park on the weekend...???

What was the average age and game experience???

And who cares about the Glenelg coach???This is abit more complicated than the SANFL./..
You have to draft or trade you cant go out and sign anyone unless you give something up...

Were going to give Ratts 5 years are we???Sorry.. i want to see a sustainable pattern of play...



Alot of our 22 year olds plus are experienced footballers in this day and age...Judd has played 150 games and hes only 24....

Youre talking about the worth of blokes like Rocca etc????

We can keep hiding behind our fingers...... cant we????

Blaming it on youth till the cows come home....

BUT.... are the players tutored succesfully???

Dont kid yourself...


eh...Where did I mention Malthouse, Rocca or anything Collingwood except the average age/games.

A bit more complicated then the SANFL. Not so sure. The same basics apply no matter where you coach. The same level of success needs to be obtained over a time frame...How can anyone judge Ratts after 10 games ? Bit pre-mature.

If Ratts improves the list, and at the end of his two years there is a clear indication that the club is moving forward why wouldn't you give him another couple of years to reach the ultimate goal....
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So on that reckoning why are we piss fartimng around wiuth Ratten and why dont we bring in a PROVEN coach like Mark Mickan????

We might have to offer him abit to prize him from the big league....

Look if Ratts was Mark Harvey hed be copping it.. because.......... our players are football illiterate save a few... or a couple...

They dont know where to run... or when or how to block.. there is little talk.. and they run to the wrong spots...

I dont care how old you are.. thats footy fundamentals...

And the kickouts???

Setanta kicking out???... or a kid???

:shock:

That just tells me theyre not drilled one iota.....!!!!!

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Synbad wrote:
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Wow!
Some of you are rapt we didnt get done by 100 points.
We would have if it wernt tfor Juddy...

If only Pagan had Judd....

You cant compare us to teams that lost by 100 points... you must look at whats ahead of us to be a good side..

Not just to you synbad but to all others who have been ranting - if we had played well and were properly coached, what margin would you have expected? - and what margin will you be expecting for the port game?

For some reason, I'm expecting the generic - we need to see signs of improvement rather than any definitive statements. I'll preempt such responses by saying that I've seen plenty of gradual improvement throughout this season and signs of progress by our youngsters. If you cant, perhaps its because you refuse to do so (ie have unrealistic expectations)


Ok its noit about the margin or the win / loss.. its about the fundamentals...

Any blocking or shepherding??? Nope
Talk???nope
Structures??? nope!!!
Linking up???? Nope!!!

Just cos we have Judd doewsnt mean he is coaching better than Pagan.. does it???

We lack the fundamentals a team needs to go forward..

Theyre gut busting runs...
cohesion....
defensiveness

etc.....

Take Judd out of that soide and it IS 100 points....

So forget about wins and losses ... its about a team across the bpoard effort on the field and coaching...

Look at Collingwoood...!!!!

You cant say thgeyre older.... or more skilled can u???

But if they lose players numbers 12/14/ and 16 one week and bring in players numbers 35/ 36/37 .. those npo name players still fit in dont they????


They all run hard.. they all tackle and when its thgeir turn to put their heads over the balkl they will...

BUT..... they also play to a plan/... dont they???


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Difference is about $300k.

Oh and the players like Ratten.
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Melvey wrote:
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4thchicken wrote:
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Wow!
Some of you are rapt we didnt get done by 100 points.
We would have if it wernt tfor Juddy...

If only Pagan had Judd....

You cant compare us to teams that lost by 100 points... you must look at whats ahead of us to be a good side..

Not just to you synbad but to all others who have been ranting - if we had played well and were properly coached, what margin would you have expected? - and what margin will you be expecting for the port game?

For some reason, I'm expecting the generic - we need to see signs of improvement rather than any definitive statements. I'll preempt such responses by saying that I've seen plenty of gradual improvement throughout this season and signs of progress by our youngsters. If you cant, perhaps its because you refuse to do so (ie have unrealistic expectations)


Ok its noit about the margin or the win / loss.. its about the fundamentals...

Any blocking or shepherding??? Nope
Talk???nope
Structures??? nope!!!
Linking up???? Nope!!!

Just cos we have Judd doewsnt mean he is coaching better than Pagan.. does it???

We lack the fundamentals a team needs to go forward..

Theyre gut busting runs...
cohesion....
defensiveness

etc.....

Take Judd out of that soide and it IS 100 points....

So forget about wins and losses ... its about a team across the bpoard effort on the field and coaching...

Look at Collingwoood...!!!!

You cant say thgeyre older.... or more skilled can u???

But if they lose players numbers 12/14/ and 16 one week and bring in players numbers 35/ 36/37 .. those npo name players still fit in dont they????


They all run hard.. they all tackle and when its thgeir turn to put their heads over the balkl they will...

BUT..... they also play to a plan/... dont they???


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How quickly did Collingwood play to the plan when Malthouse took over?

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Melvey wrote:
Synbad wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Wow!
Some of you are rapt we didnt get done by 100 points.
We would have if it wernt tfor Juddy...

If only Pagan had Judd....

You cant compare us to teams that lost by 100 points... you must look at whats ahead of us to be a good side..

Not just to you synbad but to all others who have been ranting - if we had played well and were properly coached, what margin would you have expected? - and what margin will you be expecting for the port game?

For some reason, I'm expecting the generic - we need to see signs of improvement rather than any definitive statements. I'll preempt such responses by saying that I've seen plenty of gradual improvement throughout this season and signs of progress by our youngsters. If you cant, perhaps its because you refuse to do so (ie have unrealistic expectations)


Ok its noit about the margin or the win / loss.. its about the fundamentals...

Any blocking or shepherding??? Nope
Talk???nope
Structures??? nope!!!
Linking up???? Nope!!!

Just cos we have Judd doewsnt mean he is coaching better than Pagan.. does it???

We lack the fundamentals a team needs to go forward..

Theyre gut busting runs...
cohesion....
defensiveness

etc.....

Take Judd out of that soide and it IS 100 points....

So forget about wins and losses ... its about a team across the bpoard effort on the field and coaching...

Look at Collingwoood...!!!!

You cant say thgeyre older.... or more skilled can u???

But if they lose players numbers 12/14/ and 16 one week and bring in players numbers 35/ 36/37 .. those npo name players still fit in dont they????


They all run hard.. they all tackle and when its thgeir turn to put their heads over the balkl they will...

BUT..... they also play to a plan/... dont they???


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DownUnderChick wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Synbad wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Wow!
Some of you are rapt we didnt get done by 100 points.
We would have if it wernt tfor Juddy...

If only Pagan had Judd....

You cant compare us to teams that lost by 100 points... you must look at whats ahead of us to be a good side..

Not just to you synbad but to all others who have been ranting - if we had played well and were properly coached, what margin would you have expected? - and what margin will you be expecting for the port game?

For some reason, I'm expecting the generic - we need to see signs of improvement rather than any definitive statements. I'll preempt such responses by saying that I've seen plenty of gradual improvement throughout this season and signs of progress by our youngsters. If you cant, perhaps its because you refuse to do so (ie have unrealistic expectations)


Ok its noit about the margin or the win / loss.. its about the fundamentals...

Any blocking or shepherding??? Nope
Talk???nope
Structures??? nope!!!
Linking up???? Nope!!!

Just cos we have Judd doewsnt mean he is coaching better than Pagan.. does it???

We lack the fundamentals a team needs to go forward..

Theyre gut busting runs...
cohesion....
defensiveness

etc.....

Take Judd out of that soide and it IS 100 points....

So forget about wins and losses ... its about a team across the bpoard effort on the field and coaching...

Look at Collingwoood...!!!!

You cant say thgeyre older.... or more skilled can u???

But if they lose players numbers 12/14/ and 16 one week and bring in players numbers 35/ 36/37 .. those npo name players still fit in dont they????


They all run hard.. they all tackle and when its thgeir turn to put their heads over the balkl they will...

BUT..... they also play to a plan/... dont they???


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How quickly did Collingwood play to the plan when Malthouse took over?


Why was Armfield and Setanta taking kick outs???

Was that part of a coaching plan???

If not... whats going out in the middle with a plan???
Therse are the kinds of things youre looking at ..... and they should be lifting red flags....

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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we beat Collingwood a few weeks back

How have they become the bench mark all of a sudden because they strung two good weeks together

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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we beat Collingwood a few weeks back

How have they become the bench mark all of a sudden because they strung two good weeks together


Correct me if I AM WRONG.. but didnt they give Geelong a bath last week???

Now.... back to OUR situation ... why was Setanta and Armfield kicking out...

If simple things are disorganised at set start up plays.. how do you think theyre going with the rest of the cohsion and tyhe match setups???

Any answers Sydney Blue???

Or did you like that?????

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Synners, you didn't answer my question.

How quickly did Collingwood play to the plan when Malthouse took over?

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YES - Pagan would have coached worse not because he's a bad coach per se..........but his game style was not adequate for our playing personnel.

If anyone seriously expected us to win (using their head not their heart) they know nothing about the current status of where Carlton and Geelong are as teams.

The chipping around footy is ONLY used to stem the flow of constant opposition goals. It worked in the 2nd Qtr on Saturday and is a good tactic for where we are at the moment.

Murphy being wanted by North - FOR FLOWER SAKE!!!!!! - No kidding Einstein. In the past we've wanted lots of opposition players, and some of our players have even wanted to leave..............how many trades are done???? North aren't finishing on the bottom of the ladder to have us over any barrel.


unfortunately if youre just chipping the basll around without purpose youre just running down the clock and not addressing the fundamental flaws in the gameplan....

We lack defensive attitude by some players up the ground which then puts the pressure on the players in d4efence.

Ratts should drop a few names and make a stand!!!



The chipping around is a legitimate tactic that assists in the growth of the team because:
- it ensures we can control stages of games, where we've lost momentum.
and
- assists in avoiding blow outs which demoralise the players

It is a tactic being used in this transitional phase of ours of getting games into the kids that hadn't being developed properly in the past and working on our whole defensive structure.

As you've pointed out in this and other threads the defensive side of the games is a TEAM role NOT just a back 6 role.

Collingwood are awesome at this BUT until it becomes more common across the team - we'll be seeing a bit more tempo footy this season.

I think we're improving in our overall defensive work - but a lot still needs to be done (particularly by some individuals)......and as you said if that means Ratten drops them - then hopefully he does just that.

Last year we only conceded fewer than 100 points in one game. This year (if memory serves me correctly) we've managed it in 4 games (co-incidentally in ALL our winning games). A whole defensive effort was vital in keeping them to <100 - especially against the Pies.

So we've improved in this area - but still got a long way to go to match the Geelong's and Collingwood's consistently.

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Pagan or Ratten it would not have made any difference vs Geelong.......

re: Malthouse has the ability to get Collingwood over achieving in relation to their list talent...they do the basics well....

re: tempo football.....kicking it around to waste time off the clock when you are behind sucks IMO and shows a lack of ability in being able to structure a proper forward move when everyone has been manned up.

There should be set plays to deal with those situations and wasting time off the clock isnt one of them when you are trailing on the scoreboard........its defensive dribble, its akin to junior basketball coaches who have their kids play zone defense...the kids learn nothing.....

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Synners, you didn't answer my question.

How quickly did Collingwood play to the plan when Malthouse took over?

I dunno... why????

All i know is they are a turd thats being polished nicely.. and play good footy....
Amnd we cant get our kick outs right...

confusion in the kick outs.. when time has been blown out.. and you cant be under pressure from a tackle...

I know that....

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Synbad wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Synners, you didn't answer my question.

How quickly did Collingwood play to the plan when Malthouse took over?

I dunno... why????

All i know is they are a turd thats being polished nicely.. and play good footy....
Amnd we cant get our kick outs right...

confusion in the kick outs.. when time has been blown out.. and you cant be under pressure from a tackle...

I know that....


I agree synbad, if we cant get the simple things right then how can we ever get better??? the simple things funny enough are the most important in the development of a young team.
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Synbad wrote:
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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we beat Collingwood a few weeks back

How have they become the bench mark all of a sudden because they strung two good weeks together


Correct me if I AM WRONG.. but didnt they give Geelong a bath last week???

Now.... back to OUR situation ... why was Setanta and Armfield kicking out...

If simple things are disorganised at set start up plays.. how do you think theyre going with the rest of the cohsion and tyhe match setups???

Any answers Sydney Blue???

Or did you like that?????


Well if I had my way Setanta wouldn't be there full stop - so he wouldn't be doing the kicking out - maybe he was because he aint smart enough to make a target of himself - As for Armfield his disposal seems ok and he will probably play most of his time in defence so good time to learn.


and we still beat Collingwood - maybe they have coached properly the last two weeks and we weren't of Saturday

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Synbad wrote:
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Wow!
Some of you are rapt we didnt get done by 100 points.
We would have if it wernt tfor Juddy...

If only Pagan had Judd....

You cant compare us to teams that lost by 100 points... you must look at whats ahead of us to be a good side..

Not just to you synbad but to all others who have been ranting - if we had played well and were properly coached, what margin would you have expected? - and what margin will you be expecting for the port game?

For some reason, I'm expecting the generic - we need to see signs of improvement rather than any definitive statements. I'll preempt such responses by saying that I've seen plenty of gradual improvement throughout this season and signs of progress by our youngsters. If you cant, perhaps its because you refuse to do so (ie have unrealistic expectations)


Ok its noit about the margin or the win / loss.. its about the fundamentals...

Any blocking or shepherding??? Nope
Talk???nope
Structures??? nope!!!
Linking up???? Nope!!!

Just cos we have Judd doewsnt mean he is coaching better than Pagan.. does it???

We lack the fundamentals a team needs to go forward..

Theyre gut busting runs...
cohesion....
defensiveness

etc.....

Take Judd out of that soide and it IS 100 points....

So forget about wins and losses ... its about a team across the bpoard effort on the field and coaching...

Look at Collingwoood...!!!!

You cant say thgeyre older.... or more skilled can u???

But if they lose players numbers 12/14/ and 16 one week and bring in players numbers 35/ 36/37 .. those npo name players still fit in dont they????


They all run hard.. they all tackle and when its thgeir turn to put their heads over the balkl they will...

BUT..... they also play to a plan/... dont they???


Funny that no-one had Collingwood as a benchmark after we beat them :shock:

Still don't know why you do??????

Synners, we all know that you hate Ratten and are still bitter when you were overlooked for the job, but please don't turn into a Grant Thomas on this forum, your contribution is too valued for that.

The team that Ratten took over was the equivalent to a baby. You cannot start teaching Algebra when they can't even walk. Rattens first priority was to teach them how to kick and handball effectively, then to play a basic gameplan that has minimal risk with lots of short passes.

They are not yet capable of the run and carry through the corridoor as the skills are not quite there.
We are still young and weak which makes blocking a hard job if you get pushed out of the way too easily.
The talk on the field is 200% better than it was last year. I don't know why you say they don't talk.
As for our structure and linking up, it has been there in most games, unfortunatly not so much against the reigning premiors.
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