not sure if you know much about the championship, but its no mugs league.

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He's an Ipswich man. It's all he knows about!!!

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Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Tractor, I know there's a difference between the Premier League and the Championship but that's really not important, the point im making is that one can go straight into coaching and be a success. Some coaches who've been around the traps for a while have never experienced the type of success and winning culture that Voss has, and thats what we need to bring to the club - a winning culture. In saying that, im not sure if Voss is our man but he would bring things to the club that a few others could not eg. Chris Bond

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Yes very unprofessional lower league is that Championship...

Whats on offer to those promoted nowadays, is it a guaranteed 30 million pounds in the Premiership?

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Things have been happening for most of the year at Carlton - Pratt, Braddles, Ratten, Swann, Icke, so I don't see why people are so negative towards this thread.
This admin has already implemented major directional changes for the club's future and will continue to do so.
IMHO, Swann's appointment is just as important as Pratt's.
Read between the lines of Swann's comments on Pagan's departure, "At the end of the day, this game is all about winning."
Also, Swann showed that he is not afraid to take the bull by the horns when he said something like, "It is a tough job (sacking Pagan). I've never done it before, but it had to be done in the best interests of the club."

There will be huge changes at Carlton for next year and a lot of it will be because Pratt and Swann will market the club better so that people are convinced to jump on the Carlton bandwagon (freight train!).

Although part of me would like to see young players take the club forward, you can bet that between Pratt, Swann and Icke we will see at least 1 new quality experienced player at Carlton next year because as Swann suggested, he would rather see the club winning sooner rather than later.

one line from the Hun today summed up Swann.
and I'm glad he's with us!!



Basically if he ( Whitnall) doesnt change attitude he'll have no future at the club.

Shows how we are improving.

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Either is the VFL... But i think you've missed my point. Oh well...

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The guy should have been forced to retire after his insipid performance against hawthorn.
Its bewildering how a captain had to be dropped/omitted to get his fitness levels right. The guy is a disgrace and only a fool like Denis Pagan could have appointed him as captain.

I clearly understand what you're saying, and what has been said. There are pro's and cons in any signing of any new coach at any club.
When i weigh it all up in my mind, Bluey and Ratts lead the pack. Mind you i'd be happy with Voss or Bond.
But with Voss comes a mentor ( as stated elsewhere). Ratts and Bluey step straight into the role ready made and most likely already with a team.

Would people be happy with Bluey as Coach, Bucks as his chief assistant ( before he takes over Collingwood )?
Now that could be the footprint of a new beginning.

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And another 10 mill when they get demoted again ?

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I've heard McKenna isn't that highly rated.

The same person told me that most people over at Claremont couldn't wait to get rid of him and appoint Ashley Prescott as coach.

Just a little food for thought...

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Yet very highly rated by Collingwood. Maybe ask Swannie his thoughts ? Have chat to Malthouse ? What would Woosha have to say ?

Pros and Cons there all out there. Just as horses for courses, and peoples perceptions and opinions.

Voss might just sit it out and take the Brisbane job in 2009.

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I have heard the same thing...

During the search for the new St.Kilda coach, the reason they interviewed Ross Lyon last was because Longmire and McKenna performed so poorly during their interviews. In the end, Bond was actually second favorite.

Now I have been on TBV and TC for around 5 to 6 years and I rarely post items let alone post rumors like this one. Please don't judge me on this one because i have heard everything like my brother's girlfriend's mate was told this and that etc. I heard this from my best mate's brother who is good friends with Ross Lyon.

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Bulldogs captain Steve Mortimer stood up to address his troops before they ran out. ''I'm a proud c---,'' he told them, ''I'm a winner, I wish myself a good g...ame, I wish everyone a good game. Let's get out there and f---ing bash them

To me it looks as though it's a 2 horse race. Either Ratts or Voss.

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Thanks for the memories Kouta. You are and always will be a True Blue Carlton Legend. #43.

I get the same feeling.

I believe we are in great hands with either one too...........

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As Ive always felt, its out of either Voss or Ratten.

At this stage im going for Ratten.

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Sounds like a win-win to me

Phoenix... To support this, this is what I wrote this in another thread the other day..............

"I have a mate who is in a position where he gets to speak to lots of people to do with AFL from administrators to coaches to players to recruiters etc. he has heard from many many sources that Guy McKenna will be an aweful coach. He is aparantly a few poor communicator and the whole Mckenna thing is being pushed by the media. In fact, Brad Gotch (is that his name?) from Williamstown once asked Malthouse why he always talks up McKenna and not him and he was told "I just answer what the media ask me.. Do I think McKenna can be a senior coach".. even at the pies it is said that they rate Gotch much higher than McKenna as he has coached his own side and been a success. People from the west also say he is very ordinary as was pointed out by the eagles allowing him to go after 1 year.... he was a favorite son there and if he was any good, this person said that there is no way they would have let him go to Collingwood.

For the record, I don't think Voss is the right man as he has no coaching experience........ I still believe we will poach an existing AFL coach or stick with Ratts..... No point really speculating as we will know soon after R22..."

From what i hear around the traps.. if Voss wants the job its Voss' job.
There are a few people telling him it might be a disater.. but hes basically going to take it.
He believes he can do it.. and pratt and swann will make sure its as close to foolproof as possible for him to succeed.

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Ratts & Voss as co-coaches.
With a part-time/casual 'mentor' available to them as required.

Ratts/Voss to focus on coaching and team spirit building etc.
They can work out themselves how to divide/rotate aspects of the role.

Greg Swann to maintain control of overall direction of the footy dept. including appointments of peripheral staff, players contracts etc.
Except Ratts/Voss able to nominate one assistant each.

We don't need a new bloke to come in and turn the joint over and start again. Especially one without experience of doing that before.

Ratts/Voss to be on staggered two year contracts such that one is up for renewal each year. Either one can be replaced should need arise without major disruption.

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