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Pagan may well be a fading (or faded) star in the coaching caper, but Mitchell is not what I would label a well-rounded coach. The more I think about his only evident game plan and those who underpin it, the more I worry about Mitchell's ability to be a long-term coach if he were to start in the coming season.

This is my main concern with the idea of moving Pagan on, the lack of genuine contenders to be his replacement, unless of course you all enjoy the idea of knocking down and rebuilding the football department every four years.


What evident game plan?
Care to elaborate on it?

That would be the only one he has, which is not dissimilar to the one Pagan uses.

Failing that, he turns to the same option you bemoan Pagan for: mass flooding.

Maybe he's more willing to make positional changes, rotate through the bench and flick the switch on the flood, but I've already discussed the idea of Pagan protecting and developing players through the bench.

Mitchell has also seemingly used the bench as a developmental tool this season with Bryan, Setanta and Hartlett being noted for having days with continual dragging and being put on the phone. 1 on 1 development is Mitchell's strength (one would assume it would also be the basis for his good rapport with our younger players) and why I want him to still be around, not because he supposedly has match day tactical ability.

I mean where is Mitchell on match day when this stuff happens? He's in the box isn't he? Or do they gag him and throw him in the corner, or completely ignore him? We would have heard murmurs years ago.

Get rid of Trout and Libba, I don't mind - I'm not fans of either of them - but we should be looking to see if Pagan and Mitchell complement each other's abilities if we're even considering Mitchell, because he's not ready to stand on his own two feet in my mind.

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Shit the sacking is off. The Feds raided the house in Lilydale that contained all the jewels to pay Pagans contract out.

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Its not over yet.
Some of our weak hearted board can talk the talk but dont have the guts to see it through.
It will be very close.

Weak as piss! :evil:

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Mitchell is a good coach, don't worry about that. He was coaching high school teams when he was still playing so it's not like he is new to the caper. He has worked his way up through the system and his results this season in the VFL speak for themself. I know it's a it's a big jump to the AFL but I'm confident he can help bring some good results our way.

Will it be hard to bring good results our way when all the young talent finally comes of age? :idea:

Any modern coach could get better results in two-three years with the talent we'll have at our disposal.

I hate when coaches like Wallace or Eade waltz into a club with a handfull of gun draft picks and are praised for turning around a club when it's inevitable. It turned my stomach listening to Walllace after he white-anted the incumbent using his connection to the kids he was coaching in the twos.

Mitchell may have good results in the VFL but he is coaching a great list just like Grant Thomas.

Both have yet to achieve anything of note in the finals.

We should wait until the end of the finals and we interview Longmire, Lyon, Pyke, etc. before giving Barry the job.

Or we could end up with another Peter Rohde or Brittain.


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Will it be hard to bring good results our way when all the young talent finally comes of age? :idea:

Any modern coach could get better results in two-three years with the talent we'll have at our disposal.

I hate when coaches like Wallace or Eade waltz into a club with a handfull of gun draft picks and are praised for turning around a club when it's inevitable. It turned my stomach listening to Walllace after he white-anted the incumbent using his connection to the kids he was coaching in the twos.

Mitchell may have good results in the VFL but he is coaching a great list just like Grant Thomas.

Both have yet to achieve anything of note in the finals.

We should wait until the end of the finals and we interview Longmire, Lyon, Pyke, etc. before giving Barry the job.

Or we could end up with another Peter Rohde or Brittain.


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Mitchell is a good coach, don't worry about that. He was coaching high school teams when he was still playing so it's not like he is new to the caper. He has worked his way up through the system and his results this season in the VFL speak for themself. I know it's a it's a big jump to the AFL but I'm confident he can help bring some good results our way.

I think next week will show us what Mitchell's all about.

I'll be keeping an eye out for something different, but I suspect we'll see the same thing, with the injection of classier (and in some cases, pacier) players. Maybe we'll get over the line, maybe we'll win the flag but if we keep utilising the same trick, eventually a competent coach will respond and counter-act the set-ups.

Has everyone forgotten Port of 02/03? Chocco saved his skin with a few touch-ups on his strategies and play in 04, and then they needed to rebuild. No real plan B in 02/03 left a very good side with one flag and some wasted chances.

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TheGame wrote:
Mitchell is a good coach, don't worry about that. He was coaching high school teams when he was still playing so it's not like he is new to the caper. He has worked his way up through the system and his results this season in the VFL speak for themself. I know it's a it's a big jump to the AFL but I'm confident he can help bring some good results our way.


Without weighing in one way or the other on the whole coaching issue, do you really think that the fact that Mitchell was coaching high school teams qualifies him for the Carlton job?? Because that seems to be what you're implying.

If that's the case, then I have a few other candidates for you.....


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I think it is another classic case of a club who cant learn from their mistakes.I would like Dp to stay but assuming a different role with different assisstants assuming more hands on roll.However that is unlikely to happen as Denis is rather autocratic.


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Bazza was at Northcote Park as well for quite a while with a bit of success.

Personally i love the guy both personally and from a coaching perspective, but if denis does get the arse, we need to follow a proper process and suss out potential candidates, leaving no stone unturned and of course not blindly appointing someone.

For all we know though, this could of already happened


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If Pagan goes can "the player" be revealed?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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It smacks of a Brittain-like appointment and I'm worried that we're not canvassing the best people for the coaching job.

How many people did we canvass when Pago Pago got the job?


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Blue Vain wrote:
Its not over yet.
Some of our weak hearted board can talk the talk but dont have the guts to see it through.
It will be very close.

Weak as piss! :evil:


Something reported on the news?

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malleefowl wrote:
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It smacks of a Brittain-like appointment and I'm worried that we're not canvassing the best people for the coaching job.

How many people did we canvass when Pago Pago got the job?


IIRC it was Eade and Wallace.

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malleefowl wrote:
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It smacks of a Brittain-like appointment and I'm worried that we're not canvassing the best people for the coaching job.

How many people did we canvass when Pago Pago got the job?



But was Brittain that bad?

We won the spoon in 2002 with horrific injuries throughout the entire season.

He had lead us to finals the year before


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jimmae wrote:
Get rid of Trout and Libba, I don't mind - I'm not fans of either of them - but we should be looking to see if Pagan and Mitchell complement each other's abilities if we're even considering Mitchell, because he's not ready to stand on his own two feet in my mind.

You mean let's see if they can work together like Howard and Costello. ;)


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phoenix johnson wrote:
malleefowl wrote:
Dukes wrote:
It smacks of a Brittain-like appointment and I'm worried that we're not canvassing the best people for the coaching job.

How many people did we canvass when Pago Pago got the job?


IIRC it was Eade and Wallace.

My recollection was that noone else was looked at. Pago Pago was the man... But I could be wrong. :oops:


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Thank christ we didnt get Teflon.

If Pagan gets the arse where will the money come and when will the club stop making stupid reactive decisions like giving the coach a couple of years extension on a contract after winning the flower mickey mouse pre season wank.Well with the Kouta man playing on in 2007 it seems like the stupid decisions continue.


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FWIW Seven and Nine news suggest he will survive, Craig Hutchison and that little Jones bloke at Nine.
Sticks in response to a question said Pagan will be coach next year before going in to the meeting.
Even Bruce Mathieson is there.


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Caro reckons Pagan will stay.

On 3AW at the moment.

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Bookie wrote:
FWIW Seven and Nine news suggest he will survive, Craig Hutchison and that little Jones bloke at Nine.
Sticks in response to a question said Pagan will be coach next year before going in to the meeting.
Even Bruce Mathieson is there.


Well if Pagan will be coach ... why are they holding the meeting :roll:


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