Keep.

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I've been vocal anti-Goddard for a long time, but he's started to show something in the last few weeks I reckon.

I'd love him to turn it around in the navy blue, and at least with his upbringing we know he'll never die wondering.

Maybe it's time we rattled that tree.

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So jim....while you're thinking with your emotions and not your brain and telling us (repeatedly) the coach is no good....can you explain why you're on an internet forum board and no-where else?

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Man him up at he will get caught out every time.
I've yet to see him win a contest

Goddard is a good footballer....but I still wouldnt be trading Stevens for him and not for a second rnder either...
You would only trade a player of Stevens quality for a deal where you were a huge winner IMO.....Stevens market value is down at the moment so its a bad time to try and trade ...you trade when your player has high value and buy when your target player has low value...

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Only I'm allowed to have double standards around here.

This actually didn't start out as a "Trade Stevens" campaign, certainly not from my perspective. Yes it was born out of frustration molsey, you're right, but frustration with a player who as good as he possibly could be, will not get the chance to ever realise that at Carlton.

Stevens supporters consistently say that he needs the support around him. I agree totally. But where is it going to come from, and what's more, by the time it does, will Stevens be the player he could be, or will his value at the trade table bring us anything?

That's as speculative as a 2nd round draft choice.

Agree, we need leaders. But if Stevens hasn't stepped up as a leader in Kouta's absence, and when he's been seemingly overtaken by Lance in the quest for the 2007 captaincy you'd have to ask his worth there.

His biggest attraction when we got hold of him were his skills. I'd like someone to tell me they are still at the same level they have been prior to now?

2nd in our Best & Fairest doesn't mean much Jim. David Teague won one. Corey McKernan won one. Of late their value has been diminished substantially. It's not the measurement of a player's worth any more than leading a few stats categories is.

Heath Scotland leads more stats categories than Fev. Is he a better player, or of more value to the team?

I'll admit that there is plenty of emotion involved in this, it's an emotional game. But to say there's no brains involved or ill conceived thinking really just means that your opinion differs to mine.

But I'll fall into line. Let's not even consider thinking outside the square and putting up someone who still has some worth to a different type of side to ours.

And I wasn't in favour of trading Fev. I did agree with considering the Lance trade if, as with any player, we could get something worthwhile for him. We couldn't, Lance got the rocket he needed, and he's rightfully our captain at the moment.

If Stevens can turn things around, renegotiate a more reasonable contract, and really lead this club, then great! We've got a winner!

But I'm not confident enough to say that this will happen if we hold on to him regardless and don't consider trades if they eventuate.

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Congratulations CK95

Spot on, BH. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Well, I could, but I just couldn't be bothered putting in all that effort to type all them wordy things.....

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For a moment there is sounded to me as if you were describing stevens I think goddard is a better kick than stevens though and is about 5 years younger. If we use the same arguement that they can only be gun players in a good side, then at the very least goddard would be at his peak when we get there (unlike stevens who might be on the downslope at that stage due to age). I think most pundits would agree - we havent seen the best of goddard yet - its almost certain that we have seen the best of nick stevens...

Nick Stevens for Daniel Wells. I'm sure we could turn Wells into a back pocket player.

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Congratulations CK95

Okay I will bite.

Contested possessions

Stevens 1.6
Goddard 2.1

Disposals

Stevens 24
Goddard 21

Tackles

Stevens 4.2
Goddard 4

Long kicks

Stevens 5.3
Goddard 7.1

Errors

Stevens 3.8
Goddard 2.4

1%ers

Stevens 3.8
Goddard 3.7

and the 1 stat where the keep Stevens scenario is important for us

Clearances

Stevens 3.6
Goddard 1.0

Goddard down back mainly. Never played any significant time in the midfield. Less pressure on him but he can play. So little errors for someone who kicks the ball long so often. His diposal is in the top 5 in the competition given time.

I would do a straight swap.

But thats just my opinion.

Totally agree mojo, I would love that as a straight swap.

The club would really have to sell the fact that Nick has 5 or 6 good years left (fits into St Kilda's window of opportunity) and emphasise the details such as the clearance numbers etc.

With Harvey about to retire the timing might be good.

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Goddard would be a great swap.

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St K wouldn't be able to fit him into their salary cap.

Hence we offer to pay part or even significant salary for 2007. I'd imagine that they could afford stevens in 2008 as I could see one or two of harvey/thompson/peckett retiring by 2008 season

Pagan said today he definitely won't be traded & is one of our most important players.

Must be kept.

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Pagan, with all due respect to the man, may not be making that decision

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Congratulations CK95

He did say that would be the case for as long as he's coaching Carlton!

But he gets the best tagger every weekâ„¢, BH.

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jokes aside, this is what i think is 1 of the major factor that separates champions from the rest, judd gets the best tagger every week sometimes even 2 but no one ever complains about that. no one expects stevens to be a champion but its just part of football i guess you gotta put up with taggers.

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