I can see the argument for adding Walsh to that list. I think it was a Liverpool FC podcast I was listening to, where they said the key to modern (data driven, analytic) recruitment is to seek people with one or more exceptional attributes and then trust your coaches to fill in the gaps. So when you look at H, CC, Crippa, it's pretty easy to see where those exceptional attributes. With Walsh? In years past, yes; now...?

The arguments against include his age - which may be misleading due to the back issues. If we lose him as well as TDK then our 23-27 age demographic becomes even more barren.

TDK is, of course, another player with easily identifiable "exceptional attributes", and is the perfect age, so by the method I've described above he is the last person we should be letting go, but the money... the money! And the fact it's not entirely within our control.

Now throw in the personal issues faced by H and EH (at a minimum) and you've got a stew going.

Don't envy anyone trying to figure this shit out.

yeah, it is actual pain. lol

i think for genuine change to this list, grab the players you mention and one of harry or walsh has to be added to it?

chase someone who can change our fortunes. harley reid? zak butters? send cripps forward ala dangerfield for his twilight, and call his number when we need a 4th qtr hail mary.

get a game-changing small forward, or a chb (if we can't keep jsos healthy, a winger and a halfback flanker who can quarterback our ball movement from back to front.

if we do that, we keep voss and see what he's like with some proper tools to go to work with. or do minimal list chnage bcos we think we're there, and swap out voss.

but keeping this core together with voss, is asking for more mediocrity for seasons to come, imo

A few little rumours from a fb site, from the same poster;

TDK gone.
Austin, Agresta and Brodie all on the chopping block.
Wright has good relationships with ppl at Hawks and Collingwood, people will be poached from those clubs.
Voss unless he improves this season will be gone.
Think ex WC coach who was under Clarkson.
Curnow and McKay will not be traded.
Lots of changes with coaches and new fitness staff.
Elijah Hollands won't play at all this season.
Captaincy being reviewed for 2026.

Rumours but some interesting things there.

Without knowing the offers, it's hard to know but I'd always keep my options open. If we fail to make the 8, anything should be on the table.
If Sydney offered their first for Harry, would we offer WC 2 top 10 picks for Harley Reid? (Sydney No.1 and TDK compo?) I would. Dynamic movement in the middle is exactly what we need at the moment. I wouldn't be chasing draft picks at the moment unless we knew we could turn them into established players.
We have enough quality young talent on the list or coming through in the next 18 months.

I'm happy too keep Harry but I don't rate him as highly as others. His leading patterns are designed to address his deficiencies. Run out wide to the pocket to get the "around the corner" shot at goal. IMHO, it dilutes our already average ground ball presentation. Charlie cops some shit here but I've seen him play some "team focussed" games that are huge. IIRC, there was a game last year (Hawks?) where we had no other tall players available in the front half at all. We were decimated by injury.
Charlies job was to compete at every contest, create a ground ball and not get outmarked. He had a huge game. Busted his guts for 100 minutes.
They're the reasons Charlie is voted into the leadership group IMO. He's not always smart but he will put his team mate before himself 100% of the time. Sometimes to our detriment. That's why they love him. I don't see that with Harry. He's a team man but he's a Harry man first.

But hey, if the offers aren't great, hopefully we can make it happen other ways.

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Considering what they turned down in a STRONG draft year, that offer for Harley wouldn’t be half the asking price.

Harry, the compo, R1 2026 & R1 2027 might get you a seat at the table, although you might not be welcome back at this one

I don’t think on-field personnel is our problem. More has been squeezed from less in the past. I think words were said, probably after hubris cost us the Richmond game, and that set the bottom lips dragging.
I think we’re through that & some of the primary users were a bit slow to get out of self preservation mode. It’s an easy task to just hammer it inside 50, centre corridor, from 90m out.

There is a lingering rot between the ears of the group. It might be the coach. It might be the people he relies on. It’s definitely the players.

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4 first rounders including 2 top 10's? That's Dodoro stuff!
It won't take anything near that IMO. They were all in with the belief Harley would acclimatise to life in WA. From what I'm hearing, his attitude has diminished if anything which isn't going down well with some of his recently acquired team mates. They know he's out the door and the longer it goes, his value is only decreasing.

Anyway, time will tell. You can only ask. It's not like we have to offload senior players if we don't want to.

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Harley is having a pretty ordinary year, I would say H+TDK compo is the absolute absolute maximum, and I'd want some spare change too for the Cody stash.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1335955/voss-answers-trade-talk-on-blues-forward-guns

Did Voss "really" answer the question on McKay or Curnow's future?

I don't think so - that response from Vossy, was very vague at best and left ALOT of stuff in the "air".....

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Interesting discussion on re-tooling the list, why we play a contested brand of football and how the game has evolved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIXRzxc75cc

I really hope we are looking at Budarick as a quick small forward shut down defender.
We could then release Saad on HBF to do more damage up the ground.
I hope we get Rosas from them also to go up forward.
We need speed on the wings, in the middle and more skilled smart footballers all round.

Yeah , just bring a few good footy players into the joint . Easy .

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Sounds like a plan Mick.

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Can't be too hard Cruz .

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The Hawks lost Buddy and won 2 premierships after.

Yeah , and they won a Flag with him . No way they win that first Flag without Buddy .

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Still looking for his replacement.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

Yeah that's true.

What's also true is that we have done sweet FA with H and Charlie, and they're both soft/lazy and conditional.

Something's gotta give - if the deal is too good to refuse, one of them has to go (preferrably H).

Club with a winning culture.

We are St Kilda 2.0. We are more obsessed by indivuals accolades.

Cripps won a brownlow!
Charlie won a Coleman!
Harry won a Coleman!

Who cares.

Just St Kilda in disguise.

I hate us.

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Congratulations CK95

You'd think, but at Carlton we make the possible seem impossible all too regularly.

I reckon our list might be furthest from a flag in the comp. The current crop ain’t gonna do it and our under 23s would have to be the least exciting in the league.


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