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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:45 am 
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You're not a fan of Young? I think he panics with ball in hand but I also think he has almost gone past Weitering who looks slow and totally ballsed up late on Sunday failing to marshall the backline at the death.

I also think Boyd should be elevated to the main list. He is a goer and can run like the wind and we need players like this.


Not a huge fan. He is solidish and on the improve. His lack of vigor and double grabbing marks all the time. A full pre-season into Durdin with bring a more contested beast than Lewis.

I think Weiters shoulder injury has caused him to struggle with his confidence. In the last few games he missed Doc down back as well.

Happy with Boyd and Hayes to be on the main list.

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Cazzesman wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:

You're not a fan of Young? I think he panics with ball in hand but I also think he has almost gone past Weitering who looks slow and totally ballsed up late on Sunday failing to marshall the backline at the death.

I also think Boyd should be elevated to the main list. He is a goer and can run like the wind and we need players like this.


Not a huge fan. He is solidish and on the improve. His lack of vigor and double grabbing marks all the time. A full pre-season into Durdin with bring a more contested beast than Lewis.

I think Weiters shoulder injury has caused him to struggle with his confidence. In the last few games he missed Doc down back as well.

Happy with Boyd and Hayes to be on the main list.

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His chase of Cox in the pocket late in the last quarter that resulted in a Collingwood goal was not desperate enough which is how he plays. Not enough aggression.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:44 pm 
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The list management decisions ahead

Carlton just isn’t interested in topping up with mid-ranked players, keen to immediately move on to recontracting McKay and Tom De Koning now that the season ends.

Curnow’s new deal, revealed by News Corp, means the Blues have Cerra, Hewett, Kennedy, Weitering and Saad contracted to 2025, Williams and Walsh to 2026 and Cripps to 2027.

Docherty and Motlop (both out in 2023) will both be options for early extensions.

The Blues want to go back to the draft but have to make decisions on Liam Stocker, Ed Curnow, Lachie Fogarty and David Cuningham.

Matt Cottrell will get another deal and Lochie O’Brien has been locked in on a two-year deal.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/wreck-it-ralph-where-carlton-went-wrong-and-what-it-needs-to-be-a-genuine-contender/news-story/7f316b2e2cecb6a3c01aef8af519b66d

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:44 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:

You're not a fan of Young? I think he panics with ball in hand but I also think he has almost gone past Weitering who looks slow and totally ballsed up late on Sunday failing to marshall the backline at the death.

I also think Boyd should be elevated to the main list. He is a goer and can run like the wind and we need players like this.


Not a huge fan. He is solidish and on the improve. His lack of vigor and double grabbing marks all the time. A full pre-season into Durdin with bring a more contested beast than Lewis.

I think Weiters shoulder injury has caused him to struggle with his confidence. In the last few games he missed Doc down back as well.

Happy with Boyd and Hayes to be on the main list.

Regards Cazzesman


I think Young has a lot of upside, and I like Durdin on the list too.

Young was courted and traded to us at 22yo.
He was offered a contract by Bulldogs.
Imo that implies he came to develop his game, and from Carlton's perspective an opportunity to develop him with a view to take over from Jones who turned 31yo this year.
He turned 23yo in December.

I think his marking was fantastic till half way through the season when I noticed the double grabbing. But he did show clean hands on a regular basis and definitely in the last 2 weeks.

He needs more composure no doubt.
There's a few things he needs to improve his game.
Run back from the mark when you've marked the ball. Give yourself some room.
Learn to handball 15m and use it...its quicker.

Easy fix imo.

I hope Sam Durdin passes him in the preseason, because if he does, he will be a really good footballer, and Young can be the intercept tall I thought he would be whilst Jones and weitering were holding the KPD spots and Gov and Marchy's bodies not holding up.

I don't see the need for Oscar if Durdin stays in.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:46 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:

You're not a fan of Young? I think he panics with ball in hand but I also think he has almost gone past Weitering who looks slow and totally ballsed up late on Sunday failing to marshall the backline at the death.

I also think Boyd should be elevated to the main list. He is a goer and can run like the wind and we need players like this.


Not a huge fan. He is solidish and on the improve. His lack of vigor and double grabbing marks all the time. A full pre-season into Durdin with bring a more contested beast than Lewis.

I think Weiters shoulder injury has caused him to struggle with his confidence. In the last few games he missed Doc down back as well.

Happy with Boyd and Hayes to be on the main list.

Regards Cazzesman



His chase of Cox in the pocket late in the last quarter that resulted in a Collingwood goal was not desperate enough which is how he plays. Not enough aggression.


That's another area Young can improve. Seems too relaxed when its his turn to go hard and close space.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:02 pm 
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Best 22

FB: McGovern Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad Young Boyd
C: Fisher Hewett Cerra
HF: Martin Curnow Silvagni
FF: Motlop McKay Durdin
R: De Koning Cripps Walsh
Int: Williams Docherty Kennedy Cottrell

Depth:

Newman (HB)
Setterfield (Mid)
Plowman (MB)
Durdin (FB)
Owies (SF)
Pittonet (Ruck)
LOB (Wing)
McDonald (Util)

Developing:

Stocker (Mid)
Philp (HF)
Honey (HF)
Carroll (SF)
Kemp (MF)
Mirkov (Ruck)
Akuei (Not Sure)

Probably Gone / Gone

Dow
Fogarty
Williamson
Newnes (Retire)
Curnow (Retire)
Hayes
Cunningham (Retire) - I really hope not but wtf is going on
Parks

Immediate Needs:

Winger
Mid sized forward
Older established small forward?

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 Post subject: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:50 pm 
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dane wrote:
Best 22

FB: McGovern Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad Young Boyd
C: Fisher Hewett Cerra
HF: Martin Curnow Silvagni
FF: Motlop McKay Durdin
R: De Koning Cripps Walsh
Int: Williams Docherty Kennedy Cottrell

Depth:

Newman (HB)
Setterfield (Mid)
Plowman (MB)
Durdin (FB)
Owies (SF)
Pittonet (Ruck)
LOB (Wing)
McDonald (Util)

Developing:

Stocker (Mid)
Philp (HF)
Honey (HF)
Carroll (SF)
Kemp (MF)
Mirkov (Ruck)
Akuei (Not Sure)

Probably Gone / Gone

Dow
Fogarty
Williamson
Newnes (Retire)
Curnow (Retire)
Hayes
Cunningham (Retire) - I really hope not but wtf is going on
Parks

Immediate Needs:

Winger
Mid sized forward
Older established small forward?


Agree with this.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 4:10 pm 
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CARLTON
Patrick Cripps MIDFIELD, $875,000-$975,000

Jacob Weitering DEFENCE $750,000-$850,000

Zac Williams DEFENCE $725,000-$825,000

Harry McKay FORWARD $700,000-$800,000

Mitch McGovern DEFENCE $650,000-$750,000

Adam Saad DEFENCE $600,000-$700,000

Charlie Curnow FORWARD $600,000-$700,000

Few teams have spent as much of their top-end salary cap on defence as the Blues, even if they originally recruited Zac Williams (midfield) and Mitch McGovern (forward) for different roles than they are playing now. Only one starting midfielder in the Blues’ top seven players in the list in 2022, but that will change next year when Sam Walsh’s new deal kicks into action. Adam Cerra accepted less than the Dockers offered him, and he is just outside the top 100. Key forwards Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow will receive a big pay boost in their next contracts. Jacob Weitering and Adam Saad are providing great value for money down back.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-rich-100-the-highestpaid-players-at-every-club-and-how-they-affect-the-salary-cap/news-story/41df4a40031590937da7f92a61f6d2ec

We need to keep the band together.

The recruiting of Cerra and Hewett last year didnt hit our cap hard. More of that please.

EDIT* Would like to add the following quote regarding the rubbery figures provided by the Herald Sun

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“We’ve got the Herald Sun doing their top 100 highest paid players with a whole week-long feature. They could be way off. Max Gawn came out last year and said the Herald Sun were $250,000 out.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/23/the-stupid-and-immature-stance-the-naive-aflpa-must-relent-on/

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 4:26 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:

You're not a fan of Young? I think he panics with ball in hand but I also think he has almost gone past Weitering who looks slow and totally ballsed up late on Sunday failing to marshall the backline at the death.

I also think Boyd should be elevated to the main list. He is a goer and can run like the wind and we need players like this.


Not a huge fan. He is solidish and on the improve. His lack of vigor and double grabbing marks all the time. A full pre-season into Durdin with bring a more contested beast than Lewis.

I think Weiters shoulder injury has caused him to struggle with his confidence. In the last few games he missed Doc down back as well.

Happy with Boyd and Hayes to be on the main list.

Regards Cazzesman



Have to agree with Cazz on Young - he’s a bit of a “Hymie” he’ll hop on one leg until you tell him to stop, the coaches told him to go the punch and he kept on going the punch, when if he had some confidence and initiative he could have marked a hell of a lot more.

And quite a few times he just plain stopped and watched his opponent mark the ball.

I hope he gets better - he needs to.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:46 pm 
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Lachie Sholl would be my main target. Wouldn't cost much (the Jones compo pick?).

Could we entice Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti out of retirement? Worth it just as a @#$%&! you to Essendon*, but if still fit, a decent upgrade on our small forwards. Otherwise, Bobby Hill is worth the due diligence to see where he's at with his treatment also.

Acres depends on money. If he's on a figure closer to what we're paying Newnes, than what Hewett's on, I'd be keen. I doubt that's the case however. Does Newnes offer more than Tom Phillips? Ability wise, running capacity, cost? Phillips not getting a game at the Hawks seems more Mitchell not agreeing with Clarkson's list management strategies than form related. He was a fantastically disciplined wingman at Collingwood under Buckley.

Daniel Lloyd has some attributes I like - we've struggled with a decent mid-sized forward who can take a grab and a reliable kick. Kennedy moved into the midfield, Martin isn't there enough and probably doesn't tick the boxes as far as a contested grab go, SOS plays too far up the ground/relief ruck work to do it consistently and isn't a great kick. He'd be a depth pick-up for sure.

Will Jayden Hunt renew?

While clearly my strategy there is just topping up the 22-30 spots on the list, if Rhylee West is available at the end of the year and the rumours about his/family fall out with Beveridge are legit, I'd have a genuine crack there. His second half of the year as a small forward has been as good as any at that club. He'd be our best small forward.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:27 pm 
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dane wrote:
Best 22

FB: McGovern Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad Young Boyd
C: Fisher Hewett Cerra
HF: Martin Curnow Silvagni
FF: Motlop McKay Durdin
R: De Koning Cripps Walsh
Int: Williams Docherty Kennedy Cottrell

Depth:

Newman (HB)
Setterfield (Mid)
Plowman (MB)
Durdin (FB)
Owies (SF)
Pittonet (Ruck)
LOB (Wing)
McDonald (Util)

Developing:

Stocker (Mid)
Philp (HF)
Honey (HF)
Carroll (SF)
Kemp (MF)
Mirkov (Ruck)
Akuei (Not Sure)

Probably Gone / Gone

Dow
Fogarty
Williamson
Newnes (Retire)
Curnow (Retire)
Hayes
Cunningham (Retire) - I really hope not but wtf is going on
Parks

Immediate Needs:

Winger
Mid sized forward
Older established small forward?


I mucked around and concluded I agree.
Only thing I want is to upgrade Silvagni (Fwd-Ruck), and Fisher (Better Mid)
2 smalls is plenty in the forwardline Motlop and Durdin may well be the future.

I'm a Cottrell, Philp and Honey fan, but expect them to take the next step and earn a spot.
Will need a replacement for Martin at times :wink: Will Cuningham be kept?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:31 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Lachie Sholl would be my main target. Wouldn't cost much (the Jones compo pick?).

Could we entice Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti out of retirement? Worth it just as a @#$%&! you to Essendon**, but if still fit, a decent upgrade on our small forwards. Otherwise, Bobby Hill is worth the due diligence to see where he's at with his treatment also.

Acres depends on money. If he's on a figure closer to what we're paying Newnes, than what Hewett's on, I'd be keen. I doubt that's the case however. Does Newnes offer more than Tom Phillips? Ability wise, running capacity, cost? Phillips not getting a game at the Hawks seems more Mitchell not agreeing with Clarkson's list management strategies than form related. He was a fantastically disciplined wingman at Collingwood under Buckley.

Daniel Lloyd has some attributes I like - we've struggled with a decent mid-sized forward who can take a grab and a reliable kick. Kennedy moved into the midfield, Martin isn't there enough and probably doesn't tick the boxes as far as a contested grab go, SOS plays too far up the ground/relief ruck work to do it consistently and isn't a great kick. He'd be a depth pick-up for sure.

Will Jayden Hunt renew?

While clearly my strategy there is just topping up the 22-30 spots on the list, if Rhylee West is available at the end of the year and the rumours about his/family fall out with Beveridge are legit, I'd have a genuine crack there. His second half of the year as a small forward has been as good as any at that club. He'd be our best small forward.


He would be our best small.

Mid sized forward whose ready to roll would be good....I can only think Honey, Philp, Cuningham, Carroll on our list, outside of Martin & Fisher/Owies

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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Philp, Cuningham, Carroll need HUGE preseasons. Surely one of them has to stake a claim for a wing position. SUUURRREEELLYYY!!!

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Cazzesman wrote:
Philp, Cuningham, Carroll need HUGE preseasons. Surely one of them has to stake a claim for a wing position. SUUURRREEELLYYY!!!

Regards Cazzesman

Carroll looks more an inside mid to me. It’s hard to get a read on the other two because they never bloody play!
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https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/player ... die-grundy

I hope the Blues are making some calls to see where Grundy is at. Grundy free's up TDK forward and Grundy's work around the ground is extremely good. Pitto is a strong workhorse but he is well behind Grundy in all facets of the game, particularly with field possessions and 1 grab, big marks. In his AA prime Grundy was a huge, aggressive onballer.

If the Pies want to keep DeGoey there might be an opening. If you got him for 4 years with the Pies paying a portion then a huge win.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... 9900d57a3d

Old article but.............

I guess it all depends how they see the TDK/Pitto setup in 2023. Is TDK a Ruck/Forward or Forward/Ruck. I just don't think Pitto is a Prelim/GF ruckman, against the best out there. Grundy at his best is.

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Should we enquire about Brayden Fiorini? I realise he isn't getting a regular game at Gold Coast but neither did Will Brodie or Peter Wright. The few times I've watched him play he seemed to go alright.

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Should we enquire about Brayden Fiorini? I realise he isn't getting a regular game at Gold Coast but neither did Will Brodie or Peter Wright. The few times I've watched him play he seemed to go alright.


Humpers I don't know much about him but I just went onto the Footywire stats site and compared him to LOB over the past 5 years. I think you might be swapping Vanilla for Vanilla based on those stats alone. Nothing jumping out about him.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:40 pm 
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Philp, Cuningham, Carroll need HUGE preseasons. Surely one of them has to stake a claim for a wing position. SUUURRREEELLYYY!!!

Regards Cazzesman

Carroll looks more an inside mid to me. It’s hard to get a read on the other two because they never bloody play!
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Philp is an inside mid, but his speed gave hope that he could do some damage outside. He’ll have a whole new running gait by now, if he can run at all.

The only wingers I’d entertain would be Rantall or Kennerley at Norwood. Late or rookie draft picks.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:12 pm 
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Is Ben Ronke worth enquiring about ?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:18 pm 
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I've mentioned him before but I don't mind the look of Xavier O'Halloran from GWS. Can play wing or mid and I believe he's out of contract.

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