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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:38 am 
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Serge Silvagni
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Bryce Gibbs.
27 years old, previous B&F winner, averaging 26 possessions a game in 2016 (our second highest), 5.2 tackles per game (our 3rd highest), 4.9 clearances per game (our second highest) and our equal second highest goal kicker.

And you want to let him go for a pick in the 20's. :lol:

Seriously, some of you people must put your brain in a jar when you get out of bed in the mornings. Get over your hatred of Gibbs and learn a bit of objectivity.
The opposition teams are putting their best stopper on him for a reason. Because he influences games and hurts the opposition. Try getting a clue.


He is not the future.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:41 am 
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No, he is the present and we need quality players to help carry the load while our youngsters develop.
Gibbs would walk into every other team in the AFL as a top 10 player.
Yes, every player has his price but to suggest its a 20 something draft pick is laughable.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:33 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Bryce Gibbs.
27 years old, previous B&F winner, averaging 26 possessions a game in 2016 (our second highest), 5.2 tackles per game (our 3rd highest), 4.9 clearances per game (our second highest) and our equal second highest goal kicker.

And you want to let him go for a pick in the 20's. :lol:

Seriously, some of you people must put your brain in a jar when you get out of bed in the mornings. Get over your hatred of Gibbs and learn a bit of objectivity.
The opposition teams are putting their best stopper on him for a reason. Because he influences games and hurts the opposition. Try getting a clue.


No I said at worst we would receive 2 picks 1 pick in the teens and 1 in the 20s. We may get a top 10 plus steak knives. We need to think about it. He is 28 next year


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Trade Gibbs AND Levi


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:02 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Trade Gibbs AND Levi


Hey, why don't we trade Cripps, Murphy, Curnow and Gibbs. Imagine the sort of midfield we'd have with the their replacements....none of them will be part of our next premiership anyway right?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:34 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Trade Gibbs AND Levi


too late to trade Gibbs

he is part of the foundation that is hopefully being set to develop and launch a contending team over the next 3 - 5 years

can't decimate the list too greatly as it is pretty ordinary at the moment


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:54 pm 
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WOW wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Trade Gibbs AND Levi


too late to trade Gibbs

he is part of the foundation that is hopefully being set to develop and launch a contending team over the next 3 - 5 years

can't decimate the list too greatly as it is pretty ordinary at the moment


everyone is on the table for trade except

no 23
cripps
plowman
mckay
doc
charlie
cunningham
sos
phillips

so that means murphy gibbs simpson are on the table

we need to get into the draft and quickly - its been 5 years since our highest point in 2011 and its been downhill since....


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:01 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
WOW wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Trade Gibbs AND Levi


too late to trade Gibbs

he is part of the foundation that is hopefully being set to develop and launch a contending team over the next 3 - 5 years

can't decimate the list too greatly as it is pretty ordinary at the moment



everyone is on the table for trade except

no 23
cripps
plowman
mckay
doc
charlie
cunningham
sos
phillips

so that means murphy gibbs simpson are on the table

we need to get into the draft and quickly - its been 5 years since our highest point in 2011 and its been downhill since....


Harsh on murphy - I like him. We need run and boekhorst gives us that.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:03 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
WOW wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Trade Gibbs AND Levi


too late to trade Gibbs

he is part of the foundation that is hopefully being set to develop and launch a contending team over the next 3 - 5 years

can't decimate the list too greatly as it is pretty ordinary at the moment


everyone is on the table for trade except

no 23
cripps
plowman
mckay
doc
charlie
cunningham
sos
phillips

so that means murphy gibbs simpson are on the table

we need to get into the draft and quickly - its been 5 years since our highest point in 2011 and its been downhill since....


that is kamikaze type thinking

you need senior talent when rebuilding

we traded value last year

can't afford to do that again

young players will be smashed without some senior guidance and that does us no good


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:07 pm 
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WOW wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
WOW wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Trade Gibbs AND Levi


too late to trade Gibbs

he is part of the foundation that is hopefully being set to develop and launch a contending team over the next 3 - 5 years

can't decimate the list too greatly as it is pretty ordinary at the moment


everyone is on the table for trade except

no 23
cripps
plowman
mckay
doc
charlie
cunningham
sos
phillips

so that means murphy gibbs simpson are on the table

we need to get into the draft and quickly - its been 5 years since our highest point in 2011 and its been downhill since....


that is kamikaze type thinking

you need senior talent when rebuilding

we traded value last year

can't afford to do that again

young players will be smashed without some senior guidance and that does us no good


its happening now- we have no choice


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:23 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Not sure who would take him. His stats are poor year after year and show no improvement.
His contested marking may tempt some but if they do their homework they will see he is not worth it and contested marking isn't that valuable unless the player has other tricks. When you look at the Hawks and even the Crows today you see that they don't rely on any one one-dimensional player to take contested marks. More valuable is a smart player that can get separation, find space and take marks uncontested in a system that promotes such play.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:40 pm 
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Only got on here so see what the dopey knee-jerkers and panic merchants were going to say.

On Levi. Can't get rid of any key position players yet as the young ones aren't ready and we badly need to draft mids. We only have just enough KP players for now so need to keep the ones we have. Levi makes a decent back-up ruckman too. He will be superseded at some stage, hopefully, but for now we need him. Besides, up until he got injured he's had a pretty damn decent 18 months, hence why he attracted quite a bit of interest last year. A few weeks ago everything "loved" him, especially after the Collingwood game. A few bad games after an injury and he's a whipping boy again. Supporters, got to love them.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:47 pm 
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club29 wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Not sure who would take him. His stats are poor year after year and show no improvement.
His contested marking may tempt some but if they do their homework they will see he is not worth it and contested marking isn't that valuable unless the player has other tricks. When you look at the Hawks and even the Crows today you see that they don't rely on any one one-dimensional player to take contested marks. More valuable is a smart player that can get separation, find space and take marks uncontested in a system that promotes such play.


Last year clubs were ready to offer up an early second round pick due to his ability to play forward and ruck. He had a good year last year hence attracted interest. No offence but i'll go with the judgement of others club than one of a supporter. Had a good year this year too until his injury.

Wouldn't the Hawks love him with Roughead out both as a forward and 2nd ruck. A marking tall with the advantage of fast ball movement into the 50 and he'd certainly do well there. Be alot different to playing as a single key forward a Carlton.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:51 pm 
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I didn't love him after the Collingwood game. It was a good game but he was allowed an easy run at marks in that game and no surprise Buckley tightened that up last week and left Casboult with nothing but clumsy mistakes.
I doubt he had any interest last year. Some kid on from the Herald Sun mention Freo were a little interested but that was all we heard of that one.

I'd rather we didn't play him for a month and see if we can come up with a system that can use good footballers to move the ball forward rather than relying on contested marks from the same player or having him "make a contest" . 3 coaches have been sucked into it. Hopefully Bolton cuts his losses quickly.


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:02 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Would have got rid of him long time ago.

Has no currency, be lucky to get a 5th round draft pick for him.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:05 pm 
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He's out of contact at the end of the season. Interesting to see what transpires. SOS seems in no rush to sign up our uncontracted players at the minute and neither he should be.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:41 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Bryce Gibbs.
27 years old, previous B&F winner, averaging 26 possessions a game in 2016 (our second highest), 5.2 tackles per game (our 3rd highest), 4.9 clearances per game (our second highest) and our equal second highest goal kicker.

And you want to let him go for a pick in the 20's. :lol:

Seriously, some of you people must put your brain in a jar when you get out of bed in the mornings. Get over your hatred of Gibbs and learn a bit of objectivity.
The opposition teams are putting their best stopper on him for a reason. Because he influences games and hurts the opposition. Try getting a clue.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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its happening now- we have no choice


I agree mosquito. We need men as leaders out there. Gibbs might be a top bloke but when you compare him to hodge or Mitchell he is like a TV remote stuck on mute. We need a new batch of leaders at the club. I really miss juddy and carrots. Those blokes were great leaders of our club.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:34 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
WOW wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Trade Gibbs AND Levi


too late to trade Gibbs

he is part of the foundation that is hopefully being set to develop and launch a contending team over the next 3 - 5 years

can't decimate the list too greatly as it is pretty ordinary at the moment



everyone is on the table for trade except

no 23
cripps
plowman
mckay
doc
charlie
cunningham
sos
phillips

so that means murphy gibbs simpson are on the table

we need to get into the draft and quickly - its been 5 years since our highest point in 2011 and its been downhill since....


Harsh on murphy - I like him. We need run and boekhorst gives us that.


i love murphy - but its the club i want to succeed more


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