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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:17 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Bloody Hell. So many of you guys read so much into a single performance or an individual effort.

The reality was that Ratten was sacked because of the inconsistency of our group and the lack of development of our next level players. The performance against Port Adelaide last year was the effectively the end of his coaching reign at Carlton.

We can argue all day whether it was right or not but that was the reason.

MM has come in and is here to get the best out of our group whilst assessing who is up to being part of the next great Carlton side or not.

In the first three rounds we have played an improving Richmond and lost by just five points. Beaten by Collingwood after leading late in the game and just being rolled by this years flag favourites on a ground we don't play well.

I bet all three of those side will play finals this year and we were close and are no where near our best. Previously we may have well been blown away by one or two of those sides.

The fact is we have played some very good and some very bad football in those games. That is what happens with a new coach and a new game plan. Imagine if we had had Sydney's first three weeks. GWS, Gold Coast & North!

Malthouse has played 28 players in 3 rounds. That is more than anyone else. Why? to expose players to the big games, see who can play and in what positions and to get experience into our potential stars of the future. It is a fine balancing act.

We have a number of players who have had a lot of chances over the past few years and have teased without producing consistent and match winning football. A call needs to be made on their future and it will.

To go to the next level we need to know who can play at the required level and who cant. Simple.
As Malthouse has said he no pre conceived idea of any players, and he will be assessing them as he goes.

I know this is hard but patience is required, but not that much. The hardest part (on paper) of our draw has been played. We now have WCE (tough but winnable) then Adelaide (struggling) at the G, Melb (pathetic)at the G, St Kilda (gone)at Etihad then Port (improving) at Etihad and Brisbane (struggling).

If we can beat WCE we could easily gain a lot of confidence and momentum and those next games are easily winnable. It is not impossible to be 6-3 after 9 or at worst 5-4 and we are right back in it and on a roll.

Not only that during that time guys like Warnock, McCarthy, Menzel, Temay, Watson, White, Ellard, Buckley, Dale, Collins, Bell will all be given a real opportunity to prove their worth and by years end we will have a "real" idea of our list.

On top of that we will have Waite, McInnes & Betts back in our line up.

Individually the "Wins" we have had in the first few weeks are:

1. Walker to a HBF
2. Kruezer fit and firing after knee
3. Hendersons growth as a key position footballer
4. Bootsma, Buckley, Davies getting game time in big games
5. Rowe's comeback
6. Judd fit & free of pressure
7. Lucas improving
8. Gibbs back in middle and playing contested footy

Seriously, have a bit of a bigger picture look at what's going on and I have no doubt by mid year we will be in a much better position and on our way up. :thumbsup:


:thumbsup: Thanks CJ.

I'm still feeling good about our efforts thus far ...not entriely happy with the result...but can live with it.

If we make finals this year that will be great but I can see Trade priod at the end of the year being quite significant for us.

I wish we practised a bit more tackling over the preseason, but maybe that wouldn't have mattered.

I would've expected a more defensive output thus far and also believe what Carey wrote on the weekend: we don't have the players to play MM's defensive way.

MM has a lot of work ahead of him before Trade period...and a lot of wins to be had too.


The usual suspects have gone a bit quiet today.


Who are the usual suspects?


One win is only papering over the cracks, unless we get a new board and prez we will not get far no matter what MM does, 4-5 more losses might have caused a board spill, now that would have been progress!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:36 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
One win is only papering over the cracks, unless we get a new board and prez we will not get far no matter what MM does, 4-5 more losses might have caused a board spill, now that would have been progress!


Unbelievable.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:57 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
One win is only papering over the cracks, unless we get a new board and prez we will not get far no matter what MM does, 4-5 more losses might have caused a board spill, now that would have been progress!


Unbelievable.

whats unbelievable is where this club used to be and where its at now.....oh i guess youre happy !!!.... good for you son!!!

Others might not agree with you that were a modern day superpower.. and that the board and admin have everything under control.
Lucky we have some pretty big donations that come our way... but thats not cos of Sticks and the competence of board is it???

single mothers pension...!!!

WOW!!! :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:45 pm 
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SurreyBlue has come out as a closet Sugar-Coater when most have gone the other way. There is still a long way to go until we can compete for a flag unless a near miracle occurs. I'm sick of little victories giving us excuses to keep doing the kinds of things that have kept us back in the past.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:09 pm 
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I cannot see how Sticks and the current board is to blame for our current struggles. All of you who are jumping up and down currently wanting them replaced, are the same people who wanted us to go to Etihad (our financial/membership troubles stem from) and changing the coach every 2nd season. Maybe if you get behind Sticks and the board and get us to the MCG, you might see us turn the financials, membership and on-field success around!!!!!!

Some of you are even the same people that started jumping on Pratt's grave (announcing that key powerful individuals such as him, need to remove themselves from our club) for our club to prosper. Yet forget who actually SAVED US!!!!

Just keep beating the same drum people without seeing the real issue(s) and addressing it. Talk about irrelevant hysteria!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:34 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I cannot see how Sticks and the current board is to blame for our current struggles. All of you who are jumping up and down currently wanting them replaced, are the same people who wanted us to go to Etihad (our financial/membership troubles stem from) and changing the coach every 2nd season. Maybe if you get behind Sticks and the board and get us to the MCG, you might see us turn the financials, membership and on-field success around!!!!!!

Some of you are even the same people that started jumping on Pratt's grave (announcing that key powerful individuals such as him, need to remove themselves from our club) for our club to prosper. Yet forget who actually SAVED US!!!!

Just keep beating the same drum people without seeing the real issue(s) and addressing it. Talk about irrelevant hysteria!!!!


if we were a well run club we wouldnt need pratt.... we only need pratt cos were not a well run club.
personally i would think having him around has done more bad than good....
it has given us a single mothers pension syndrome.. and hasnt been the answer
unless u believe they are the answer.....im interested to know how they have been the answer.

were on the drip feed... ad the current board in all their cluelesness have been happy to take the drip feed .

i actually dont see other clubs so bloated in debt and relying on charity.. and happy with the board and that status quo..

it s laughable!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:01 pm 
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Synbad, tell me how Collins, Smorgan and comp. were able to put a plan in place to save our club before the Pratt's & Matherson's came back? Tell me why you think this will change by removing the current board that comprises these families and how?
I remember the dark days and I don't even want to think about the in-competance of these boards.
We have good people in place now within the board who are coming from a long way back and fighting with one hand behind their backs (home ground finances). They have a plan and have tried the best to keep us moving forward by investing money in the football department to keep with the Collingwoods, etc and by not selling our sole to the AFL. They need our support over the next few years when the plans come into play and hopefully the results will be seen.
Let's give them a chance as a group and stop rocking the boat with hysteria.

Also everyone in here knows I was a fan of Ratten's but that doesn't mean I won't be giving Malthouse a go either. I won't hear any nonsence howerver that our list is not good enough for a tilt. We have been saying that it is and to change our minds now is very much the StKilda mentality. That I won't have anymore or agree too.

Just to finalise, we haven't been playing bad football over the past 4 weeks. We just haven't been playing it for 120 minutes and even on Saturday we had a 5-10 minute lapse which thank goodness wasn't costly. The team has weaknesses but so do all other teams, we just need to get it right above the shoulders and that is Malthouses challenge but that is why he was signed in the 1st place, right? An experienced, premiership coach should fix that pretty quickly! We have more top 10 picks than any other team, so there should be no excuses.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:09 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Synbad, tell me how Collins, Smorgan and comp. were able to put a plan in place to save our club before the Pratt's & Matherson's came back? Tell me why you think this will change by removing the current board that comprises these families and how?
I remember the dark days and I don't even want to think about the in-competance of these boards.
We have good people in place now within the board who are coming from a long way back and fighting with one hand behind their backs (home ground finances). They have a plan and have tried the best to keep us moving forward by investing money in the football department to keep with the Collingwoods, etc and by not selling our sole to the AFL. They need our support over the next few years when the plans come into play and hopefully the results will be seen.
Let's give them a chance as a group and stop rocking the boat with hysteria.

Also everyone in here knows I was a fan of Ratten's but that doesn't mean I won't be giving Malthouse a go either. I won't hear any nonsence howerver that our list is not good enough for a tilt. We have been saying that it is and to change our minds now is very much the StKilda mentality. That I won't have anymore or agree too.

Just to finalise, we haven't been playing bad football over the past 4 weeks. We just haven't been playing it for 120 minutes and even on Saturday we had a 5-10 minute lapse which thank goodness wasn't costly. The team has weaknesses but so do all other teams, we just need to get it right above the shoulders and that is Malthouses challenge but that is why he was signed in the 1st place, right? An experienced, premiership coach should fix that pretty quickly! We have more top 10 picks than any other team, so there should be no excuses.


didnt see pratt put his hand up after ellitt buggered it up
sticks was there.... in everyones camp
the one constant.....

still there...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:36 pm 
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I actually tip my hat to the man.
He stood by his friend (Elliott) and let the so called or more importantly gave them a chance to shine.........we all know how that went!!!
Sold our sole!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:34 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I actually tip my hat to the man.
He stood by his friend (Elliott) and let the so called or more importantly gave them a chance to shine.........we all know how that went!!!
Sold our sole!!!!

Sole?
He stood by the man who built the monstrosity we cant pay off.... and the salary cap cheating.
He brought OReilly to the club.
He ran with Elliot then with Collo
He ran with Smorgo and Smorgiville.
He then had a union till the end of Malouf Smorgo AND Pagan
But he headed a coup on Pagan for Mitchell..but that lasted a few hours before they had to get out of it...
Then he goes along with the story he brought Pratt to the club when in fact it was Elliott.. so he includes himself into a fairytail
Then he is with Pratt... but Pratt gets into trouble for some shifty stuff and his health..
Sticks then tels everyone he is there till thy find someone better... "reluctant "
5 years later he is still reluctant but wont leave...

in the meantime he has overseen one of the hugest slides in profession al sport to a might y club rivalled only by Leeds united

Yeah... hes been excellent for this club... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:51 am 
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We have a decent coach now.
now we need a decent president and board

I like what Mm is doing
He is trying players
28 already

There will be a big turnover at the end of 2013.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:26 am 
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keogh wrote:
We have a decent coach now.
now we need a decent president and board

I like what Mm is doing
He is trying players
28 already

There will be a big turnover at the end of 2013.


Actually 30 players used....


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:37 am 
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Actually 31 players used.... :razz:

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/2013.html#3

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:09 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
One win is only papering over the cracks, unless we get a new board and prez we will not get far no matter what MM does, 4-5 more losses might have caused a board spill, now that would have been progress!


Unbelievable.

Team lets keep it real

Only now are we getting back on track the appointment of mAlthouse will hopefully encompass all football related areas and set us up for a decade

Off the field we are miles off where we should be

Membership conversion must be the worst in the afl

Revenue even with the pubs being gifted to us is mid pack at best

The club has slipped along way and only now are we building again due to some very wealthy supporters who paid ratten out


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:29 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:



If I'm not mistaken, that now leaves only 4 players on our ENTIRE list yet to be tried out at senior level, comprising 3 senior & 1 rookie listed.

Menzel
Graham
Temay
Cachia

Clarity is a great thing, forces you to accept where your really at, in this case quality of on-field stocks have been over-rated- rebuild of a rebuild :smoking:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:44 am 
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I won't hear any nonsence howerver that our list is not good enough for a tilt. We have been saying that it is and to change our minds now is very much the StKilda mentality. That I won't have anymore or agree too.


OUR LIST IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR A TILT, the veil has lifted, reality is screaming at you loud and clear.

OUR LIST IS NOT AS GOOD AS FIRST THOUGHT.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:53 am 
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By who's thoughts and opinion?
Not Malthouse's.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:57 am 
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In four games we've played 31 players. In 1995 we played 32 players over 25 games!

Just checked the Blueseum - Our first 18 (back when that meant something) of round 1, 1995, all played in the GF.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:59 am 
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MM is on record as saying you need around 30 players to make the GF.

I don't think he's found his 30 yet.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:28 pm 
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redback wrote:
By who's thoughts and opinion?
Not Malthouse's.


Do you ascertain that the quality of our list is sufficient, and that it is likely to remain so, at a level that is realistically capable of a Tilt at the flag this year and beyond without substantial Change of up to 8 players in number?.


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