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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 7:47 pm 
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Getting rid of Walsh would be a huge mistake.

He's clearly not happy. Focus on fixing that, rather than shipping him off somewhere.

You just know he'll make us pay for it if we do.

What if he's not happy because he can't see himself winning a premiership with us?
Personally, I really like Walsh, but if we were to get a mid that had speed, great foot skills and can kick goals all day.............bye bye.
No one is bigger than the club and this fixating on what we could lose rather than what we could gain is why we've had no success this century.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sidefx wrote:
BamBam7 wrote:
Getting rid of Walsh would be a huge mistake.

He's clearly not happy. Focus on fixing that, rather than shipping him off somewhere.

You just know he'll make us pay for it if we do.

What if he's not happy because he can't see himself winning a premiership with us?
Personally, I really like Walsh, but if we were to get a mid that had speed, great foot skills and can kick goals all day.............bye bye.
No one is bigger than the club and this fixating on what we could lose rather than what we could gain is why we've had no success this century.


Disagree. The fixation for this century, as you say, has been all about what picks/trades we could gain from what we lose, incl. tanking. Pathetic culture which just breeds failure.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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SurreyBlue wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2025-nasiah-wanganeenmilera-could-become-next-10-million-man-carlton-blues-laugh-off-charlie-curnow-departure-rumours/news-story/ff7c95736104353440a9729f8dbed65f

I think the cold weather is getting to them.

Let’s all hope that Radelaide shell out $1.2m a year for a guy to come in & do what they already do better than any other club in the comp. Crow-eater tears are delicious.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2025-nasiah-wanganeenmilera-could-become-next-10-million-man-carlton-blues-laugh-off-charlie-curnow-departure-rumours/news-story/ff7c95736104353440a9729f8dbed65f

I think the cold weather is getting to them.

Let’s all hope that Radelaide shell out $1.2m a year for a guy to come in & do what they already do better than any other club in the comp. Crow-eater tears are delicious.


I would laugh my ass off if they lost their best player for 1.2 but then got TdK for 1.7.
How do you justify such a move, especially when you have a decent ruckman?
I really think if this occurs, then SoS has well and truly lost the plot, and I always thought SoS wasn’t that bad at all.
Stubborn, arrogant and pig headed but not dumb.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 8:13 pm 
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BamBam7 wrote:
Getting rid of Walsh would be a huge mistake.

He's clearly not happy. Focus on fixing that, rather than shipping him off somewhere.

You just know he'll make us pay for it if we do.



if he never had microdisectomy surgery, i'd agree. but he has. and there's not many careers over a huge raft of different pro sports where people have ever come back as good, or had longevity afterwards.


i'd be selling high this summer, and running for the hills when he breaks down.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 9:04 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
BamBam7 wrote:
Getting rid of Walsh would be a huge mistake.

He's clearly not happy. Focus on fixing that, rather than shipping him off somewhere.

You just know he'll make us pay for it if we do.



if he never had microdisectomy surgery, i'd agree. but he has. and there's not many careers over a huge raft of different pro sports where people have ever come back as good, or had longevity afterwards.


i'd be selling high this summer, and running for the hills when he breaks down.


Genuine question, did he have microdisectomy surgery pre 2023 finals or post 2023 finals?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Blue4ever wrote:
Braithy wrote:
BamBam7 wrote:
Getting rid of Walsh would be a huge mistake.

He's clearly not happy. Focus on fixing that, rather than shipping him off somewhere.

You just know he'll make us pay for it if we do.


if he never had microdisectomy surgery, i'd agree. but he has. and there's not many careers over a huge raft of different pro sports where people have ever come back as good, or had longevity afterwards.

i'd be selling high this summer, and running for the hills when he breaks down.


Genuine question, did he have microdisectomy surgery pre 2023 finals or post 2023 finals?


Start of 2023. Before finals if you prefer.

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Sam Walsh, a Carlton AFL player, underwent a microdiscectomy surgery on his back to address a bulging disc that was causing nerve pressure. This surgery, which involves removing part of a bulging disc, is a common procedure for relieving nerve compression. The surgery was performed to address pain and numbness in his leg, which were symptoms caused by the compressed nerve. Carlton confirmed the surgery and noted that Walsh will miss the start of the 2023 season while he recovers and undergoes rehabilitation.


Great question.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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We might not have a Tassie Devil issue in the upcoming drafts.
Stadium might not get built = No club.
Can't say I'm disappointed, 19 teams is just BS.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/1335843/tears-as-devils-future-at-crossroads-great-signs-for-juh-hawks-injury-concern?videoId=1335843&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1749017712001&limit=50&tagNames=ProgramCategory%3AFootyFeed&references=AFL_COMPSEASON%3A73


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Blue4ever wrote:
Braithy wrote:
BamBam7 wrote:
Getting rid of Walsh would be a huge mistake.

He's clearly not happy. Focus on fixing that, rather than shipping him off somewhere.

You just know he'll make us pay for it if we do.



if he never had microdisectomy surgery, i'd agree. but he has. and there's not many careers over a huge raft of different pro sports where people have ever come back as good, or had longevity afterwards.


i'd be selling high this summer, and running for the hills when he breaks down.


Genuine question, did he have microdisectomy surgery pre 2023 finals or post 2023 finals?


before. he struggled most of that year tho. he hasn't trained a full preseason since the injury. and imo he shows just enough to trade/ sell high and run for the hills.

remember he couldn't kick 30m in 2023 and most of 2024? still struggles with accuracy. but for me, it's the longevity - how much shorter will his career be? i'm not sure what Sam's ceiling would be if he didn't have the surgery, but the way his career was unfolding he was looking like a top 2 or 3 mid in the comp. now, I'm not sure he's top 20.

i'm also not sure we need to be the ones gambling on his length of career and ability to play at a high level; if there's a team ready to give us a good deal.

can we use a war chest of tdk & walsh to get a few really good players here? what about a great one? harley reid?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:23 am 
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I don'tknow the inner working of the club but I worry about trading certain players.

I get trading stalwart players that might have only a year of two left (as Hawks did) but..............

Cripps, SOS, Walsh, Charlie, Harry and Weiters are the guys you must keep for the solidarity of the Club. At their best, these guys will win you #17. Time is still on their side.

It is still the bottom 6-8 that make the difference, not the top 6. Of course, the Top 6 must be A Grade, but the rest carry the hopes and dreams.

Those 6 are the heart and soul of the Club and the support base. I love TDK, but he is the one we can let go to reap some rewards.

TDK is replaceable as a ruckman. I'm not sure the other 6 are equally as replaceable and if they were the cost would be huge as well as the time frames involved. I would still be having some talks with O'Brien if they think TDK is going.

OFF-CONTRACT CROW ‘WORTH MORE’ THAN OFFER

Meanwhile, free-agent Adelaide ruckman Reilly O’Brien is “happy to run the gauntlet” on negotiations over his next contract.

The 29-year-old veteran mulled a two-year offer from the Crows, but according to reporter Tom Morris, O’Brien is of the belief he’s “worth more” than the most recent deal tabled.

“He’s holding out because he believes he’s worth more than what Adelaide has offered,” Morris told SEN Breakfast on Tuesday.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Cazzesman wrote:
I don'tknow the inner working of the club but I worry about trading certain players.

I get trading stalwart players that might have only a year of two left (as Hawks did) but..............

Cripps, SOS, Walsh, Charlie, Harry and Weiters are the guys you must keep for the solidarity of the Club. At their best, these guys will win you #17. Time is still on their side.

It is still the bottom 6-8 that make the difference, not the top 6. Of course, the Top 6 must be A Grade, but the rest carry the hopes and dreams.

Those 6 are the heart and soul of the Club and the support base. I love TDK, but he is the one we can let go to reap some rewards.

TDK is replaceable as a ruckman. I'm not sure the other 6 are equally as replaceable and if they were the cost would be huge as well as the time frames involved. I would still be having some talks with O'Brien if they think TDK is going.

OFF-CONTRACT CROW ‘WORTH MORE’ THAN OFFER

Meanwhile, free-agent Adelaide ruckman Reilly O’Brien is “happy to run the gauntlet” on negotiations over his next contract.

The 29-year-old veteran mulled a two-year offer from the Crows, but according to reporter Tom Morris, O’Brien is of the belief he’s “worth more” than the most recent deal tabled.

“He’s holding out because he believes he’s worth more than what Adelaide has offered,” Morris told SEN Breakfast on Tuesday.


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Yes , every Club in the comp crave key forwards and we have two of them . Unloading these blokes would be insanity imho . Be grateful for what we have and build around them . Very good Cazz . Re TDK , yeah , as hard as it would be to lose him after doing all the ground work it wouldn't be the end of the world . O"Brien is a fairly decent replacement . After all , he cleaned TDK up in our loss against Crows .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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i'd unload harry. we have two genuine full forwards. even tho harry has been handy in the ruck, when he and charles are both forward, they get in each other's way more than they do thrive as this percieved two-headed monster.

i'd be reducing repetition thru the roster. trading bam bam while we had george was a good move, but didn't unlock the cap, like trading harry out would.


walsh is 700k mid for mine with his current output- but we will probs have to stump up around 950k+ to keep him. no complete preseasons since surgery, at times looks hampered. remove emotion and keep it as a business.

can we get more bang for our buck with 950k for a mid with his injury and surgery history?


we've won 6 from the last 20, look like missing the 8, or at best, scraping in and going one & done. again, for the second time in two year in our apparent "window" ...this list needs thinning out at the top and spreading some wealth across the park, imo.

this board baffles me. doing the same things for the same results, year in and year out is killing me. people want to keep the bulk of the list, not change the overpaid core and keep voss and then complain on match days that we're still shit.

something, somewhere inside this club has to give, has to change, has to be rolled over, or we are standing pat in mediocrity...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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A few clubs are circling Connor Budarick, small lock down defender, lighting quick too (2.8s).
Might be worth a look or at least I hope we are.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Malcolm Rosas would be first on my list. Better than every small fwd we have

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Braithy wrote:
...this list needs thinning out at the top and spreading some wealth across the park, imo.

this board baffles me. doing the same things for the same results, year in and year out is killing me. people want to keep the bulk of the list, not change the overpaid core and keep voss and then complain on match days that we're still shit.

something, somewhere inside this club has to give, has to change, has to be rolled over, or we are standing pat in mediocrity...


Can't the thinning be done with TDK, McGovern, Williams, Doc, Acres and Fantasia? Plenty of Fat there to cull. Maybe even Saad (30yrs) at a pinch and for the right offer.

Are you trading Harry for picks or another player/s. If it is a Player, then who would it be? If it is picks, then those kids are years away with no gaurantees.

I hear your pain Braithy, but I think it has to be more strategic than cutting the rose bush to ground level.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Cazzesman wrote:
Braithy wrote:
...this list needs thinning out at the top and spreading some wealth across the park, imo.

this board baffles me. doing the same things for the same results, year in and year out is killing me. people want to keep the bulk of the list, not change the overpaid core and keep voss and then complain on match days that we're still shit.

something, somewhere inside this club has to give, has to change, has to be rolled over, or we are standing pat in mediocrity...


Can't the thinning be done with TDK, McGovern, Williams, Doc, Acres and Fantasia? Plenty of Fat there to cull. Maybe even Saad (30yrs) at a pinch and for the right offer.

Are you trading Harry for picks or another player/s. If it is a Player, then who would it be? If it is picks, then those kids are years away with no gaurantees.

I hear your pain Braithy, but I think it has to be more strategic than cutting the rose bush to ground level.

Regards Cazzesman


Not only are picks no guarantee if they are used on kids in the Draft, we have too many kids and not enough depth.

Its our bottom 6 we need to improve and push out the bottom 6 to VFL for depth, or, improve on them.

TDK $1M
Gov $450
Doc $650
Acres $450
Fantasia $350

Acres is in contract for 2026, but Kemp at $350 isn't, if we need Acres' contract value to buy players.

There's $3M. That's is the easy part. All we need is to fill some gaps using the suite of picks we have to Trade.

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We have done supercoach list management.

Top end and cheapies.

Great approach for supercoach when you can trade every week.

Shit approach for real footy.

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Braithy wrote:
i'd unload harry. we have two genuine full forwards. even tho harry has been handy in the ruck, when he and charles are both forward, they get in each other's way more than they do thrive as this percieved two-headed monster.

i'd be reducing repetition thru the roster. trading bam bam while we had george was a good move, but didn't unlock the cap, like trading harry out would.


walsh is 700k mid for mine with his current output- but we will probs have to stump up around 950k+ to keep him. no complete preseasons since surgery, at times looks hampered. remove emotion and keep it as a business.

can we get more bang for our buck with 950k for a mid with his injury and surgery history?


we've won 6 from the last 20, look like missing the 8, or at best, scraping in and going one & done. again, for the second time in two year in our apparent "window" ...this list needs thinning out at the top and spreading some wealth across the park, imo.

this board baffles me. doing the same things for the same results, year in and year out is killing me. people want to keep the bulk of the list, not change the overpaid core and keep voss and then complain on match days that we're still shit.

something, somewhere inside this club has to give, has to change, has to be rolled over, or we are standing pat in mediocrity...


Harry and Charlie get in each others way because we keep kicking it on top of their heads all the time, if we can fix our fwd entries then we don't need to trade either. Maybe even have one operate further from goal while the other stays closer to home?

We can free up more than enough cap space by offloading TDK and a few others such as Doc, Acres, Guv and Fantasia


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