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Who should be Carlton's next coach?
Teague 48%  48%  [ 125 ]
B Scott 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Clarkson 13%  13%  [ 34 ]
Ratten 13%  13%  [ 33 ]
Voss 7%  7%  [ 18 ]
Malthouse 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Walls 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Caracella 3%  3%  [ 9 ]
Longmuir 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Barker 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Leppitsch 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Mitchell 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Bassett 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Burns 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Roos 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 262
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:46 am 
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Oh yeah, and what's the record of the senior mentor/coach model? I know we've only got a small sample size, but by my reckoning it's…

Parkin/Brittain = spoon
Thompson/Hird = drugs
Roos/Goodwin = failure (I know it's too early to tell just yet, but it's trending downwards, fast!)

:eek:


You forgot Craig/Bolton.

Didn’t work out but it was a huge loss for Bolts when Craig left.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:07 pm 
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GWS wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Oh yeah, and what's the record of the senior mentor/coach model? I know we've only got a small sample size, but by my reckoning it's…

Parkin/Brittain = spoon
Thompson/Hird = drugs
Roos/Goodwin = failure (I know it's too early to tell just yet, but it's trending downwards, fast!)

:eek:


You forgot Craig/Bolton.



He's pretty forgettable. And cheap!

https://www.ebid.net/au/for-sale/afl-20 ... 223235.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:18 pm 
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Why isn't Bomber Thompson in the poll?

It looks like he is available :

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bomber-thompson-s-drug-dealing-charges-dismissed-20190711-p5266p.html


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Bloody Victoria, soft on crime again! Though to be fair, it is entirely credible that Bomber had 480 E's for personal consumption :D


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bluegirl72 wrote:
Both Huddo and King think we have an amazing list and any coach would prefer to come to us so.


Im just curious to know how outside 'experts' rate our list...

Did they mention any names in particular?
Any interesting assessments?
or did they just trot out: "Cripps, Curnow, Walsh" ... ?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:53 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Why isn't Bomber Thompson in the poll?

It looks like he is available :


I'd rather Phonse Kyne via ouija board.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:56 pm 
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Bloody Victoria, soft on crime again! Though to be fair, it is entirely credible that Bomber had 480 E's for personal consumption :D


“I have $3 million in a bank account therefore I don’t need to sell drugs.”

Why didn’t Tony Mokbel think of that excuse?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:20 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
TrueQldBlue wrote:
I met Voss in a pub up here in Brizvegas when the Lions were in their prime, I told him he was a legend etc and he said Go Lions... I said Go Blues and then he whispered in my ear that he was a Carlton supporter his whole life and still watches them fondly. Top bloke and he and Roos will be great.
Don't worry about Teaguey (and he has impressed me very much in post game interviews as well as actually changing things around on game day which Bolton soorly lacked any vision)
But look at the opportunity and exposure David has got caretaking, invaluable experience that he will use for his future. Don't think he should get the full time job just because he's there now.
People...we can not afford to gamble again and must go with experience at AFL level because I keep paying membership every year for the last 15 but until recently I had lost interest in even watching games as I'm sick of being down the friggin ladder even with all the high draft picks we've had. My 9 year old daught keeps telling me I've got to follow someone else because we just lose all the time!!!!
ENOUGH CRAP
GET US UP WHERE WE BLOODY SHOULD BE!!!!!!

Well that's my six monthly rant out of the way ...


Yeah, but any appointment is going to be a gamble, whether we like it or not.

It's like recruiting, we only really know what we should have done after the fact. Sometimes what we should have done is what we did (ie. Patrick Cripps) and some times it's not (ie. Matthew Watson).

I mean, you could easily argue that Voss/Roos = recycled dud coach/has been past his prime, just as much as you could argue Teague = training wheels.

Every premiership coach since 2011 was promoted from an assistant gig.

Or, every premiership coach since 2003 was promoted from an assistant gig, with the exception of Malthouse in 2010.

You can form a credible stance whichever direction you want to promote and you can probably back it up with stats too.

I have NFI what the right approach is and I've never been less sure about which direction we should go. :confused:


Agree 100%.
As I’ve said before, I’m very glad I’m not the one having to make the decision.
I’m banking on the idea that those who are making the decision are well aware of everything we’re all saying plus they have very good inside info which further enhances their knowledge.
And even then, whatever they decide could work brilliantly or fail miserably. And NO-ONE can confidently predict it.


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Bluey44 wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
Both Huddo and King think we have an amazing list and any coach would prefer to come to us so.



Im just curious to know how outside 'experts' rate our list...

Did they mention any names in particular?
Any interesting assessments?
or did they just trot out: "Cripps, Curnow, Walsh" ... ?

No it was a genuine moment. King said we had a list to die for ( which we do) and Huddo agreed with him. Not through clenched teeth as Wokely would have done either. A vigorous, positive agreement.
Loved it. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:56 pm 
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If ‘senior mentor’ is on the table, then the table and every muppet in the room ought to be set afire.

It is the dumbest idea ever introduced to the footy coaching landscape - created by, and for, coaches that are unemployable in the real world. What they’ve done is take Parkin’s academic ponderings and created a pre-retirement package for themselves at the expense of the coaching craft.

Rest assured, if your head coach has a club appointed mentor on the payroll, they’re not the head coach.

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If they go the senior mentor route,
it needs to be someone that the young talent can respect...
someone who leads by example... that the high draft picks can model themselves on..
someone who can help the younger coach to create a winning culture, but who can also but the brakes on any cheating or 'dodgey stuff'.
Someone who's still got more of the good stuff to give....

So why not Bomber??
Maybe a Bomber and Clarko Combo?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:21 pm 
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I see it in a different angle.

More like Judd putting the heat on Teague to get better.

1. Slow starts

2. Playing favourites

3. Improving game plan when we are winning.

Part of his job to develop the club and think he was more strategic than sinister as that's not his style.


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camelboy wrote:
Oh yeah, and what's the record of the senior mentor/coach model? I know we've only got a small sample size, but by my reckoning it's…

Parkin/Brittain = spoon
Thompson/Hird = drugs
Roos/Goodwin = failure (I know it's too early to tell just yet, but it's trending downwards, fast!)

:eek:


Roos / Horse = ?


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One out of 4/5 ain't bad. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:46 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Bluey44 wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
Both Huddo and King think we have an amazing list and any coach would prefer to come to us so.



Im just curious to know how outside 'experts' rate our list...

Did they mention any names in particular?
Any interesting assessments?
or did they just trot out: "Cripps, Curnow, Walsh" ... ?

No it was a genuine moment. King said we had a list to die for ( which we do) and Huddo agreed with him. Not through clenched teeth as Wokely would have done either. A vigorous, positive agreement.
Loved it. :thumbsup:


Not shooting the messenger here BG, but I am so over hearing what an "amazing list" we have when year after year we finish around the bottom. We've got a rubbish list and we should get a priority pick. To me that's justifiable simply by our win/loss record over that time.

I notice that the current super coach flavour of the day has got his team all the way up to 13th on the ladder too.


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Crusader wrote:
If ‘senior mentor’ is on the table, then the table and every muppet in the room ought to be set afire.

It is the dumbest idea ever introduced to the footy coaching landscape - created by, and for, coaches that are unemployable in the real world. What they’ve done is take Parkin’s academic ponderings and created a pre-retirement package for themselves at the expense of the coaching craft.

Rest assured, if your head coach has a club appointed mentor on the payroll, they’re not the head coach.


Love this post. :thumbsup:


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Is Brenton Sanderson’s name being mentioned at all in the Melbourne media? I’m not saying he’s my choice, but if we’re willing to chuck Ratten and Voss in the mix, why not Sanderson. He had more success at Adelaide than the other 2 had at their clubs and then went back to be an assistant at Collingwood, who are now a premiership contender for the second year running.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:12 pm 
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I'm not sure who we should be chasing. But I reckon we'll end up with Brad Scott.


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Stefchook wrote:
I'm not sure who we should be chasing. But I reckon we'll end up with Brad Scott.


Why do you reckon this?

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Why would you take Voss over Ratten? Ratten looked a better coach back then and now he has had heaps of experience under the best coach in the game.

I am warming to Teague.

Currently my order would be (assuming Clarkson is ungettable)

1. Ratten
2. Teague
3. Mitchell
4. Voss
5. Hinkley
6. Camporeale
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9. Lyon
10. Longmuire
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99. B Scott
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10000. Madhouse

I have a bad feeling we are gunna stuff this up again by appointing B Scott. :banghead: :donk:

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