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Bolt from the Blue
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:41 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
I would happily trade our first 2 picks for Mitchell.

The draft is a lottery ... People keep equating early picks as A Graders. The truth is ... more often than not (especially with Carlton) its a real mix.
Trade Trade Trade ... get rid of more of our better players and spin the wheel in the draft (good on ya Madhouse) ... :grin:


To be sure of a player of Mitchell's quality would be a real coup.

But don't worry .. it is an extremely unlikely possibility.

I am just happy we finally have a sensible, discerning man in charge of recruiting.

Have you even had a read of this year's draft? It's a more deeper draft.
One way or another, to pay 2 first rounders for a guy who is not even their best midfielder, or player, in their team is overs, even though Mitchell is a very good player, he's not Judd or Dangerfield (and the latter cost Geelong less). If Mitchell wants to leave, he'll leave. If he wants to stay, he'll stay. Only on the former scenario would we be a chance of picking him up and in that situation, a best case deal would be our early first and a swap of second rounders. Nothing more.

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Blue Sombrero
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:09 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
I would happily trade our first 2 picks for Mitchell.

The draft is a lottery ... People keep equating early picks as A Graders. The truth is ... more often than not (especially with Carlton) its a real mix.
Trade Trade Trade ... get rid of more of our better players and spin the wheel in the draft (good on ya Madhouse) ... :grin:


To be sure of a player of Mitchell's quality would be a real coup.

But don't worry .. it is an extremely unlikely possibility.

I am just happy we finally have a sensible, discerning man in charge of recruiting.

I am just happy you are not in charge of it.

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carntheblues
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:40 am 
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we still need more depth and given the reported evenness of the draft this year I expect depth to be the key driver for trading. I cannot see us trading multiple draft picks for a single player no matter how good.
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scottopee
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:38 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
I would happily trade our first 2 picks for Mitchell.

The draft is a lottery ... People keep equating early picks as A Graders. The truth is ... more often than not (especially with Carlton) its a real mix.
Trade Trade Trade ... get rid of more of our better players and spin the wheel in the draft (good on ya Madhouse) ... :grin:


To be sure of a player of Mitchell's quality would be a real coup.

But don't worry .. it is an extremely unlikely possibility.

I am just happy we finally have a sensible, discerning man in charge of recruiting.


That's the Carlton way "The draft is a lottery" why take a risk in the draft when you can just buy players??

How did Hawthorn and Geelong set up there dynasties??? Drafting A grade talent then targeting players from other clubs. Not the other way around!!!!!
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Mosquito Fleet
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:20 am 
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scottopee wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
I would happily trade our first 2 picks for Mitchell.

The draft is a lottery ... People keep equating early picks as A Graders. The truth is ... more often than not (especially with Carlton) its a real mix.
Trade Trade Trade ... get rid of more of our better players and spin the wheel in the draft (good on ya Madhouse) ... :grin:


To be sure of a player of Mitchell's quality would be a real coup.

But don't worry .. it is an extremely unlikely possibility.

I am just happy we finally have a sensible, discerning man in charge of recruiting.


That's the Carlton way "The draft is a lottery" why take a risk in the draft when you can just buy players??

How did Hawthorn and Geelong set up there dynasties??? Drafting A grade talent then targeting players from other clubs. Not the other way around!!!!!


if the statement in yellow/gold is a true representation of Carlton supporters just close the doors now at Princes Park and live on the past glories...
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jamespul65
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:47 pm 
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my draft would be keep our 1st pik(get a mid)and then work out a deal for steele and if possible 1 of marchbank,tomo,stewart,if the rumors are true. so 2017 mids this yr draft pik steele and cunningham if can step up.
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Stranger
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:01 pm 
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What is this obsession about getting all the GWS players
the 4 players there talking about are just not good enough
all 4 of them have been at GWS from the start and have all struggled
to get a game they have been overtaken by other player who have been
there short term like Hopper , Kennedy, Whitfield and others I prefer
we traded players out for draft picks and load up with talent via the draft
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blueboy23
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:10 pm 
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Peoples thoughts on Sam Reid from Swans??
My thoughts are,
Say pick 5, best available
Say pick 21, best available
Say pick 39, Sam Reid/Adam Tomlinson
Say pick 48 & 49 (bulldog pick from last year) try and down grade to pick 30/32??
Try and land Hurley from Essendon* as a FA..
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BlueJean
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:06 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
I'm of the opinion that we need to turn over the majority of our list. How many of the players that run out of the race each week are you passionate about following?!? I suspect most of you will say only weitering and the 2015 crop, Cripps and maybe boekhorst. I like murphy and would keep him at the club. Nonetheless, this is an alarming statistic and states how much our list is in dire straits...with that said, I echo the sentiments of posters stating for the benefits of a premiership carton team, SOS should rebuild over the coming drafts. Remember the three P's folks, Planning, preparation and performance...HOPEFULLY the club has the planning part down pat and we as supporters can only wait in anticipation that the club recruits some future Carlton premiership players...it's about constantly asking oneself, who is part of the solution at the club. We have maybe at best, 10 players and the rest can go take a walk.
Bolton's blues will take a while to establish but you must agree that it will be worth the wait.
I won't be going away in a hurry...


I still sand my comments earlier this year. Trade Gibbs a priority.
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klakker
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:12 am 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Peoples thoughts on Sam Reid from Swans??
My thoughts are,
Say pick 5, best available
Say pick 21, best available
Say pick 39, Sam Reid/Adam Tomlinson
Say pick 48 & 49 (bulldog pick from last year) try and down grade to pick 30/32??
Try and land Hurley from Essendon** as a FA..


You wont get either Reid or Tomlinson for pick 39.

Hurley is contracted until the end of 2017.

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Jez1966
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:36 am 
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klakker wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
Peoples thoughts on Sam Reid from Swans??
My thoughts are,
Say pick 5, best available
Say pick 21, best available
Say pick 39, Sam Reid/Adam Tomlinson
Say pick 48 & 49 (bulldog pick from last year) try and down grade to pick 30/32??
Try and land Hurley from Essendon*** as a FA..


You wont get either Reid or Tomlinson for pick 39.

Hurley is contracted until the end of 2017.


Apparently Hurley can terminate his contract at years end due to the drugs violation
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teagueyubeauty
 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:24 am 
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He can, and should if he was duped.

I don't believe they were and is just holding out for the best deal at the cheating scum

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kezza
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:06 pm 
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We will be keeping for first pick according to an article on todays paper.
Also mentions that Touhy is being looked at by a couple of Melbourne based clubs.
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blueboy23
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:22 pm 
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Every chance of landing Tomlinson or Reid with a pick in the 30's.
If a player wants to leave because of $$ or more opportunities then the deal gets done..
I remember GWS saying no chance of Boyd being traded, what happened??
If you target a player then chase and don't pay overs..
Hurley can leave Essendon* as a FA, another one I would target hard, he is a serious player.
Wouldn't mind seeing,
Plowman Hurley Reid/Tomlinson, both can go forward.
Docherty Weitering Byrne
Our first two picks can be through the draft, best available.
Another pre season for C.Curnow, McKay, SOJ and Cuningham, things aren't that bad..
Anything is possible but, we should chase hard for Hurley, only 26 in he's prime and can play...
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teagueyubeauty
 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:14 pm 
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Steele 13 touches, Tomlinson 11

Wouldn't be breaking the bank on these guys, Tomlinson especially. Seems to not be able to handle the step up in class, a group 2 horse

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Blueboy74
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:18 pm 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
Steele 13 touches, Tomlinson 11

Wouldn't be breaking the bank on these guys, Tomlinson especially. Seems to not be able to handle the step up in class, a group 2 horse


15 for Steele from 70% game time. Both have been a lot better than they were today, and Steele in particular at 20 has plenty of upside, but both were down.

Whilst the midfield offered no pressure Tomlinson was spanked down back, and Steele after a good start faded out of the game. Got some better midfield minutes than previously with no Hopper and Smith back as a permanent small forward.

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Rod Waddell
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:02 pm 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
Steele 13 touches, Tomlinson 11

Wouldn't be breaking the bank on these guys, Tomlinson especially. Seems to not be able to handle the step up in class, a group 2 horse


Was thinking the same thing. Beware Blues caveat emptor.....l love that Latin phrase!
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BigBlueWave
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:52 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
scottopee wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
I would happily trade our first 2 picks for Mitchell.

The draft is a lottery ... People keep equating early picks as A Graders. The truth is ... more often than not (especially with Carlton) its a real mix.
Trade Trade Trade ... get rid of more of our better players and spin the wheel in the draft (good on ya Madhouse) ... :grin:


To be sure of a player of Mitchell's quality would be a real coup.

But don't worry .. it is an extremely unlikely possibility.

I am just happy we finally have a sensible, discerning man in charge of recruiting.


That's the Carlton way "The draft is a lottery" why take a risk in the draft when you can just buy players??

How did Hawthorn and Geelong set up there dynasties??? Drafting A grade talent then targeting players from other clubs. Not the other way around!!!!!


if the statement in yellow/gold is a true representation of Carlton supporters just close the doors now at Princes Park and live on the past glories...



My beef is mainly to do with trading away our better player for the lottery of the draft ... as if we would get sure fire A grade footballers ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I also think that sometimes a top player is worth spending a couple of high draft picks on ... at least you are guaranteed to get 1 gun.

We will see what happens ... I was really pleased with SOS last year ... Feeling confident he will make some shrewd but sensible decisions.

What Hawthorn and Geelong didn't do on their climb up the ladder was sell the farm. They gradually build their sides through the draft and by some excellent recruiting from other sides.

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Michael Jezz
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:16 am 
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BlueJean wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
I'm of the opinion that we need to turn over the majority of our list. How many of the players that run out of the race each week are you passionate about following?!? I suspect most of you will say only weitering and the 2015 crop, Cripps and maybe boekhorst. I like murphy and would keep him at the club. Nonetheless, this is an alarming statistic and states how much our list is in dire straits...with that said, I echo the sentiments of posters stating for the benefits of a premiership carton team, SOS should rebuild over the coming drafts. Remember the three P's folks, Planning, preparation and performance...HOPEFULLY the club has the planning part down pat and we as supporters can only wait in anticipation that the club recruits some future Carlton premiership players...it's about constantly asking oneself, who is part of the solution at the club. We have maybe at best, 10 players and the rest can go take a walk.
Bolton's blues will take a while to establish but you must agree that it will be worth the wait.
I won't be going away in a hurry...


I still sand my comments earlier this year. Trade Gibbs a priority.


I agree. We need to consider it. Gibbs is good but not great and turns 28 next year. At worst he would command a pick in the teens and one in the 20s. We would build a midfield with pick 6, 17, 24, 26. I dont think any of the GWS players are world beaters and would play hardball.
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Blue Vain
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:25 am 
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Bryce Gibbs.
27 years old, previous B&F winner, averaging 26 possessions a game in 2016 (our second highest), 5.2 tackles per game (our 3rd highest), 4.9 clearances per game (our second highest) and our equal second highest goal kicker.

And you want to let him go for a pick in the 20's. :lol:

Seriously, some of you people must put your brain in a jar when you get out of bed in the mornings. Get over your hatred of Gibbs and learn a bit of objectivity.
The opposition teams are putting their best stopper on him for a reason. Because he influences games and hurts the opposition. Try getting a clue.

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