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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:18 am 
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Thanks CK -I think Mick has 3 years but after that ...
Great win and takes the pressure off and I was Wrong about being 0-4 down
Played better obviously last night and some really good signs - should almost admit I was wrong about Rowe not a superstar but definitely AFL standard
Good performance - end of third was a bit of a worry - great cool goal by Walker in the last - we need to see more of this poise from the whole squad
Still can play better than that - need to make teams pay for the next five weeks

It will count for naught if we don't back up with a win against Adelaide- as we know this team and its personnel has a penchant for losing against lesser opposition - not sure I would be changing side next week unless betts fit

Great game from yazz and jeffy not sure we will get away with brilliance from them to win a match against good opposition


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:53 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Bloody Hell. So many of you guys read so much into a single performance or an individual effort.

The reality was that Ratten was sacked because of the inconsistency of our group and the lack of development of our next level players. The performance against Port Adelaide last year was the effectively the end of his coaching reign at Carlton.

We can argue all day whether it was right or not but that was the reason.

MM has come in and is here to get the best out of our group whilst assessing who is up to being part of the next great Carlton side or not.

In the first three rounds we have played an improving Richmond and lost by just five points. Beaten by Collingwood after leading late in the game and just being rolled by this years flag favourites on a ground we don't play well.

I bet all three of those side will play finals this year and we were close and are no where near our best. Previously we may have well been blown away by one or two of those sides.

The fact is we have played some very good and some very bad football in those games. That is what happens with a new coach and a new game plan. Imagine if we had had Sydney's first three weeks. GWS, Gold Coast & North!

Malthouse has played 28 players in 3 rounds. That is more than anyone else. Why? to expose players to the big games, see who can play and in what positions and to get experience into our potential stars of the future. It is a fine balancing act.

We have a number of players who have had a lot of chances over the past few years and have teased without producing consistent and match winning football. A call needs to be made on their future and it will.

To go to the next level we need to know who can play at the required level and who cant. Simple.
As Malthouse has said he no pre conceived idea of any players, and he will be assessing them as he goes.

I know this is hard but patience is required, but not that much. The hardest part (on paper) of our draw has been played. We now have WCE (tough but winnable) then Adelaide (struggling) at the G, Melb (pathetic)at the G, St Kilda (gone)at Etihad then Port (improving) at Etihad and Brisbane (struggling).

If we can beat WCE we could easily gain a lot of confidence and momentum and those next games are easily winnable. It is not impossible to be 6-3 after 9 or at worst 5-4 and we are right back in it and on a roll.

Not only that during that time guys like Warnock, McCarthy, Menzel, Temay, Watson, White, Ellard, Buckley, Dale, Collins, Bell will all be given a real opportunity to prove their worth and by years end we will have a "real" idea of our list.

On top of that we will have Waite, McInnes & Betts back in our line up.

Individually the "Wins" we have had in the first few weeks are:

1. Walker to a HBF
2. Kruezer fit and firing after knee
3. Hendersons growth as a key position footballer
4. Bootsma, Buckley, Davies getting game time in big games
5. Rowe's comeback
6. Judd fit & free of pressure
7. Lucas improving
8. Gibbs back in middle and playing contested footy

Seriously, have a bit of a bigger picture look at what's going on and I have no doubt by mid year we will be in a much better position and on our way up. :thumbsup:


:thumbsup: Thanks CJ.

I'm still feeling good about our efforts thus far ...not entriely happy with the result...but can live with it.

If we make finals this year that will be great but I can see Trade priod at the end of the year being quite significant for us.

I wish we practised a bit more tackling over the preseason, but maybe that wouldn't have mattered.

I would've expected a more defensive output thus far and also believe what Carey wrote on the weekend: we don't have the players to play MM's defensive way.

MM has a lot of work ahead of him before Trade period...and a lot of wins to be had too.


The usual suspects have gone a bit quiet today. I wonder if some people were happy with our win last night?

Onwards and upwards!!! :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:10 pm 
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Brett Ratten was a spud of a coach.
Poor communication skills
Poor man management skills.
Disgusting attitude towards non football department staff
Pointless hours wasted reviewing video and opposition

The players I know never spoke highly of him
Staff I know never spike highly of him
Players take the piss out if him

So much was he not respected that there were many at the club believing the best thing for this club was to lose games.

Loved him as a player but glad he ain't coaching


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:11 pm 
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Mick is a smart man. The players are loving him.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:20 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Brett Ratten was a spud of a coach.
Poor communication skills
Poor man management skills.
Disgusting attitude towards non football department staff
Pointless hours wasted reviewing video and opposition

The players I know never spoke highly of him
Staff I know never spike highly of him
Players take the piss out if him

So much was he not respected that there were many at the club believing the best thing for this club was to lose games.

Loved him as a player but glad he ain't coaching


:lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:18 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Thanks CK -I think Mick has 3 years but after that ...


Maybe we should be grooming his successor.

Malthouse to coach three years and then stay on another three in a director of coaching role?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:26 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Thanks CK -I think Mick has 3 years but after that ...


Maybe we should be grooming his successor.

Malthouse to coach three years and then stay on another three in a director of coaching role?


Get Buckley


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:33 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Thanks CK -I think Mick has 3 years but after that ...


Maybe we should be grooming his successor.

Malthouse to coach three years and then stay on another three in a director of coaching role?


Ding-a-ling


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:03 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Bloody Hell. So many of you guys read so much into a single performance or an individual effort.

The reality was that Ratten was sacked because of the inconsistency of our group and the lack of development of our next level players. The performance against Port Adelaide last year was the effectively the end of his coaching reign at Carlton.

We can argue all day whether it was right or not but that was the reason.

MM has come in and is here to get the best out of our group whilst assessing who is up to being part of the next great Carlton side or not.

In the first three rounds we have played an improving Richmond and lost by just five points. Beaten by Collingwood after leading late in the game and just being rolled by this years flag favourites on a ground we don't play well.

I bet all three of those side will play finals this year and we were close and are no where near our best. Previously we may have well been blown away by one or two of those sides.

The fact is we have played some very good and some very bad football in those games. That is what happens with a new coach and a new game plan. Imagine if we had had Sydney's first three weeks. GWS, Gold Coast & North!

Malthouse has played 28 players in 3 rounds. That is more than anyone else. Why? to expose players to the big games, see who can play and in what positions and to get experience into our potential stars of the future. It is a fine balancing act.

We have a number of players who have had a lot of chances over the past few years and have teased without producing consistent and match winning football. A call needs to be made on their future and it will.

To go to the next level we need to know who can play at the required level and who cant. Simple.
As Malthouse has said he no pre conceived idea of any players, and he will be assessing them as he goes.

I know this is hard but patience is required, but not that much. The hardest part (on paper) of our draw has been played. We now have WCE (tough but winnable) then Adelaide (struggling) at the G, Melb (pathetic)at the G, St Kilda (gone)at Etihad then Port (improving) at Etihad and Brisbane (struggling).

If we can beat WCE we could easily gain a lot of confidence and momentum and those next games are easily winnable. It is not impossible to be 6-3 after 9 or at worst 5-4 and we are right back in it and on a roll.

Not only that during that time guys like Warnock, McCarthy, Menzel, Temay, Watson, White, Ellard, Buckley, Dale, Collins, Bell will all be given a real opportunity to prove their worth and by years end we will have a "real" idea of our list.

On top of that we will have Waite, McInnes & Betts back in our line up.

Individually the "Wins" we have had in the first few weeks are:

1. Walker to a HBF
2. Kruezer fit and firing after knee
3. Hendersons growth as a key position footballer
4. Bootsma, Buckley, Davies getting game time in big games
5. Rowe's comeback
6. Judd fit & free of pressure
7. Lucas improving
8. Gibbs back in middle and playing contested footy

Seriously, have a bit of a bigger picture look at what's going on and I have no doubt by mid year we will be in a much better position and on our way up. :thumbsup:


:thumbsup: Thanks CJ.

I'm still feeling good about our efforts thus far ...not entriely happy with the result...but can live with it.

If we make finals this year that will be great but I can see Trade priod at the end of the year being quite significant for us.

I wish we practised a bit more tackling over the preseason, but maybe that wouldn't have mattered.

I would've expected a more defensive output thus far and also believe what Carey wrote on the weekend: we don't have the players to play MM's defensive way.

MM has a lot of work ahead of him before Trade period...and a lot of wins to be had too.


The usual suspects have gone a bit quiet today.


Who are the usual suspects?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:10 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Thanks CK -I think Mick has 3 years but after that ...


Maybe we should be grooming his successor.

Malthouse to coach three years and then stay on another three in a director of coaching role?



He might stay another 2 years after that for the handover date.
To make way for the new coach, Marc Murphy.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:54 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Bloody Hell. So many of you guys read so much into a single performance or an individual effort.

The reality was that Ratten was sacked because of the inconsistency of our group and the lack of development of our next level players. The performance against Port Adelaide last year was the effectively the end of his coaching reign at Carlton.

We can argue all day whether it was right or not but that was the reason.

MM has come in and is here to get the best out of our group whilst assessing who is up to being part of the next great Carlton side or not.

In the first three rounds we have played an improving Richmond and lost by just five points. Beaten by Collingwood after leading late in the game and just being rolled by this years flag favourites on a ground we don't play well.

I bet all three of those side will play finals this year and we were close and are no where near our best. Previously we may have well been blown away by one or two of those sides.

The fact is we have played some very good and some very bad football in those games. That is what happens with a new coach and a new game plan. Imagine if we had had Sydney's first three weeks. GWS, Gold Coast & North!

Malthouse has played 28 players in 3 rounds. That is more than anyone else. Why? to expose players to the big games, see who can play and in what positions and to get experience into our potential stars of the future. It is a fine balancing act.

We have a number of players who have had a lot of chances over the past few years and have teased without producing consistent and match winning football. A call needs to be made on their future and it will.

To go to the next level we need to know who can play at the required level and who cant. Simple.
As Malthouse has said he no pre conceived idea of any players, and he will be assessing them as he goes.

I know this is hard but patience is required, but not that much. The hardest part (on paper) of our draw has been played. We now have WCE (tough but winnable) then Adelaide (struggling) at the G, Melb (pathetic)at the G, St Kilda (gone)at Etihad then Port (improving) at Etihad and Brisbane (struggling).

If we can beat WCE we could easily gain a lot of confidence and momentum and those next games are easily winnable. It is not impossible to be 6-3 after 9 or at worst 5-4 and we are right back in it and on a roll.

Not only that during that time guys like Warnock, McCarthy, Menzel, Temay, Watson, White, Ellard, Buckley, Dale, Collins, Bell will all be given a real opportunity to prove their worth and by years end we will have a "real" idea of our list.

On top of that we will have Waite, McInnes & Betts back in our line up.

Individually the "Wins" we have had in the first few weeks are:

1. Walker to a HBF
2. Kruezer fit and firing after knee
3. Hendersons growth as a key position footballer
4. Bootsma, Buckley, Davies getting game time in big games
5. Rowe's comeback
6. Judd fit & free of pressure
7. Lucas improving
8. Gibbs back in middle and playing contested footy

Seriously, have a bit of a bigger picture look at what's going on and I have no doubt by mid year we will be in a much better position and on our way up. :thumbsup:


:thumbsup: Thanks CJ.

I'm still feeling good about our efforts thus far ...not entriely happy with the result...but can live with it.

If we make finals this year that will be great but I can see Trade priod at the end of the year being quite significant for us.

I wish we practised a bit more tackling over the preseason, but maybe that wouldn't have mattered.

I would've expected a more defensive output thus far and also believe what Carey wrote on the weekend: we don't have the players to play MM's defensive way.

MM has a lot of work ahead of him before Trade period...and a lot of wins to be had too.


The usual suspects have gone a bit quiet today.


Who are the usual suspects?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:59 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Brett Ratten was a spud of a coach.
Poor communication skills
Poor man management skills.
Disgusting attitude towards non football department staff
Pointless hours wasted reviewing video and opposition

The players I know never spoke highly of him
Staff I know never spike highly of him
Players take the piss out if him

So much was he not respected that there were many at the club believing the best thing for this club was to lose games.

Loved him as a player but glad he ain't coaching


Why the need to bag Ratten?

He wouldn't have been the coach had have we not appointed him. It's not his fault.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:18 pm 
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harker wrote:
trublu wrote:
Brett Ratten was a spud of a coach.
Poor communication skills
Poor man management skills.
Disgusting attitude towards non football department staff
Pointless hours wasted reviewing video and opposition

The players I know never spoke highly of him
Staff I know never spike highly of him
Players take the piss out if him

So much was he not respected that there were many at the club believing the best thing for this club was to lose games.

Loved him as a player but glad he ain't coaching




Why the need to bag Ratten?

He wouldn't have been the coach had have we not appointed him. It's not his fault.


But it is his fault to not know his limitations as a coach and develop himself better either at Carlton or another club. Stupid man who had his tyres pumped up by Sticks and Fraser Brown and believed the hyperbole. But then, development was never one of his strong suits.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:25 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
harker wrote:
trublu wrote:
Brett Ratten was a spud of a coach.
Poor communication skills
Poor man management skills.
Disgusting attitude towards non football department staff
Pointless hours wasted reviewing video and opposition

The players I know never spoke highly of him
Staff I know never spike highly of him
Players take the piss out if him

So much was he not respected that there were many at the club believing the best thing for this club was to lose games.

Loved him as a player but glad he ain't coaching




Why the need to bag Ratten?

He wouldn't have been the coach had have we not appointed him. It's not his fault.


But it is his fault to not know his limitations as a coach and develop himself better either at Carlton or another club. Stupid man who had his tyres pumped up by Sticks and Fraser Brown and believed the hyperbole. But then, development was never one of his strong suits.

:thumbsup: spot on


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:32 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Thanks CK -I think Mick has 3 years but after that ...
Great win and takes the pressure off and I was Wrong about being 0-4 down
Played better obviously last night and some really good signs - should almost admit I was wrong about Rowe not a superstar but definitely AFL standard
Good performance - end of third was a bit of a worry - great cool goal by Walker in the last - we need to see more of this poise from the whole squad
Still can play better than that - need to make teams pay for the next five weeks

It will count for naught if we don't back up with a win against Adelaide- as we know this team and its personnel has a penchant for losing against lesser opposition - not sure I would be changing side next week unless betts fit

Great game from yazz and jeffy not sure we will get away with brilliance from them to win a match against good opposition


Agree with plenty again Franky.
We need to now make sure we win the next few now and make a statement. No more hiccups now.
Also, we cannot expect the little guys to do that every week. We need Hampson to start kicking truly and support Rowe. If he does that then we are moving forward another step again.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:51 pm 
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The Crows game isn't a gimme. Under Ratten we beat them once or twice? It's another mental hurdle for the group, but I believe we're starting to adapt to MM and understand his requirements.


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