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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:12 pm 
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Boekhorst was excellent for us before getting injured. He really showed something.



No doubt.

He not only showed what his express speed could do for the tea, he started to show some grunt too. I think he can handle the tough stuff. Seems to be a good strong tackler.

I remember hiss first ever game (NAB 2015) and run from HB linking with other players and taking the ball to the forwardline. I knew then we have something to work with and worth persevering and developing properly.

Maybe we could have got him with our 2nd rounder. Doesn't matter now.

We have a need for speed and he has it in spades. Keeper.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Boekhorst was excellent for us before getting injured. He really showed something.

Seems like you want to to get rid of the whole team ... and just speculate.

Lets hope SOS ain't thinking that way ... it would be a complete disaster.


nonsense- recruitment by definition is speculation - you just do the method and process and select correctly

this club in his history does not drink from the well of the national draft- since Elliott until at end of the last year that was our attitude-

your method of keeping your cards in your hand takes us backwards

boekhorst was a 1st rd draft - he should have been a 2nd rd pick


so get rid of a second round pick not because he can't play but because he was picked too early?


no, we trade him - if there are no suitors we delist him

We can't just dispose of and obtain players like Paris Hilton does when shopping for clothes MF. It's not that simple.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:16 pm 
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Boekhorst is also a lovely kick of the pig skin.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:21 pm 
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Sin City wrote:
We need more quality inside mids without a doubt but they're not the only players that make up a team. Hill and Smith offer zero grunt at the Hawks but are vital members of the team. Motlop and Murdoch are the same at the Cats, ditto Whitfield and Kelly at the Giants. You need icing on the cake players to finish off the good work of the on ball brigade.


buckley and boekhurst are average ball users - not icing on the cake

I'm all for differing opinions but it's very hard to take someone seriously when they say Boekhorst is an average ball user.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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I like the idea that we should delist every crap player, trade the senior players of value to load up on kids but not play the kids because they'll get injured/ruined. Should we forfeit games for 2 -3 years to put this genius plan into action?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Megaman wrote:
I like the idea that we should delist every crap player, trade the senior players of value to load up on kids but not play the kids because they'll get injured/ruined. Should we forfeit games for 2 -3 years to put this genius plan into action?

What could possibly go wrong :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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You have to remember MF has had to wait until we lost a few games to pop up again with his tripe.

He needs a platform of poor on-field performances (otherwise he thinks he looks foolish) so he can attack aspects of the club he is really wants to complain about i.e. the board, Trigg, MLG and McKay. This is despite, what appears to be, improvements many aspects of the club. Things are not perfect but there's certainly a much better vibe about the club since late last year.

Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the Moz for now as it appears as though we won't be winning too many more this year.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:47 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
You have to remember MF has had to wait until we lost a few games to pop up again with his tripe.

He needs a platform of poor on-field performances (otherwise he thinks he looks foolish) so he can attack aspects of the club he is really wants to complain about i.e. the board, Trigg, MLG and McKay. This is despite, what appears to be, improvements many aspects of the club. Things are not perfect but there's certainly a much better vibe about the club since late last year.

Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the Moz for now as it appears as though we won't be winning too many more this year.

Remember Roy cimm? The one who said Brock McLean would be delisted 2 years before occurrence. If only 3 guys are rated my MF he's bound to get some names as delistees right. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:59 pm 
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Bolt from the Blue wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
You have to remember MF has had to wait until we lost a few games to pop up again with his tripe.

He needs a platform of poor on-field performances (otherwise he thinks he looks foolish) so he can attack aspects of the club he is really wants to complain about i.e. the board, Trigg, MLG and McKay. This is despite, what appears to be, improvements many aspects of the club. Things are not perfect but there's certainly a much better vibe about the club since late last year.

Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the Moz for now as it appears as though we won't be winning too many more this year.

Remember Roy cimm? The one who said Brock McLean would be delisted 2 years before occurrence. If only 3 guys are rated my MF he's bound to get some names as delistees right. :lol:


All legends.

Not quite in the Hotcox league, but at least they have something to aim for.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:36 pm 
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Bolt from the Blue wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
You have to remember MF has had to wait until we lost a few games to pop up again with his tripe.

He needs a platform of poor on-field performances (otherwise he thinks he looks foolish) so he can attack aspects of the club he is really wants to complain about i.e. the board, Trigg, MLG and McKay. This is despite, what appears to be, improvements many aspects of the club. Things are not perfect but there's certainly a much better vibe about the club since late last year.

Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the Moz for now as it appears as though we won't be winning too many more this year.

Remember Roy cimm? The one who said Brock McLean would be delisted 2 years before occurrence. If only 3 guys are rated my MF he's bound to get some names as delistees right. :lol:


No...im right because the list is crap

As a minimum we need 3 new defenders 3 new forwards 5 new mids on top of the best new talent we have

23
Cripps
C curnow
H mckay
Doc
Plowman
Sossos
Phillips
Sumner

Thats 3 to 4 years of top flight drafting


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:55 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
You have to remember MF has had to wait until we lost a few games to pop up again with his tripe.

He needs a platform of poor on-field performances (otherwise he thinks he looks foolish) so he can attack aspects of the club he is really wants to complain about i.e. the board, Trigg, MLG and McKay. This is despite, what appears to be, improvements many aspects of the club. Things are not perfect but there's certainly a much better vibe about the club since late last year.

Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the Moz for now as it appears as though we won't be winning too many more this year.



You and I differ because it appears you think the improvements made are enough to get us to the 17th premiership. I think not for the reasons that you have stated above.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:40 pm 
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We had (perceived) currency at the end of last year (I say perceived because of Menzel and Yarran - Henderson is at least on the park), and did very well.

But how on Earth can we manufacture picks in the same way we did last year? Who do we have to trade? No team in their right mind would take Casboult (out of contract, could walk) or Kreuzer (injury prone and overrated). Gibbs perhaps... but then, we'll have even fewer capable mids than we have now (which isn't a lot!). The only players that actually would have currency are our young guns, and we need to hold on to them for dear life.

This year will test SOS's abilities more than last year, he doesn't have many cards this time around. Despite the hype, I think we'll be disappointed this year in comparison to last.

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 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:18 pm 
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I have no doubt SOS will try very hard to upgrade our draft position, but expect it to be more outside of the box wheeling and dealing.
I'm sure we will see some grouping together of second and third rounders to climb up the order (perhaps we might see a trade that involves next years second rounder also).

Trading of future picks, aswell as the new points system has changed the landscape of player movement, and draft positioning.
Where in the past a player such as Everitt, Casboult or Touhy might only have been tradeable as a straight second or third rounder, now there is far more freedom to couple those players with our own draft picks in order to climb into the top 20.

I'd expect us to head into this years draft with another 3 x top 20 picks. How we attain them, I do not know... That's up to SOS to work out. I have no doubt that it will be our plan, however.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:25 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
I would happily trade our first 2 picks for Mitchell.

The draft is a lottery ... People keep equating early picks as A Graders. The truth is ... more often than not (especially with Carlton) its a real mix.
Trade Trade Trade ... get rid of more of our better players and spin the wheel in the draft (good on ya Madhouse) ... :grin:


To be sure of a player of Mitchell's quality would be a real coup.

But don't worry .. it is an extremely unlikely possibility.

I am just happy we finally have a sensible, discerning man in charge of recruiting.


Another stupid backward looking post. Apart from the fact the deal you propose is overs, If a club conducts the research properly and embraces thed raft, results are delivered. Carlton apart from last year has never embraced the draft. Thankfully we have changed and your views thrown in a dustbin marked 1999


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:36 pm 
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The Shag wrote:
I have no doubt SOS will try very hard to upgrade our draft position, but expect it to be more outside of the box wheeling and dealing.
I'm sure we will see some grouping together of second and third rounders to climb up the order (perhaps we might see a trade that involves next years second rounder also).

Trading of future picks, aswell as the new points system has changed the landscape of player movement, and draft positioning.
Where in the past a player such as Everitt, Casboult or Touhy might only have been tradeable as a straight second or third rounder, now there is far more freedom to couple those players with our own draft picks in order to climb into the top 20.

I'd expect us to head into this years draft with another 3 x top 20 picks. How we attain them, I do not know... That's up to SOS to work out. I have no doubt that it will be our plan, however.


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Tuohy is a first rounder. The other two won't be. I'm not as optimistic about 3 first rounders as I like the fact we might get Steele, Tomlinson and Mitchell into our team. That would cost picks, but other trades mean we still get some second and third rounders in return in a deep draft. Go Blues. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:37 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Bolt from the Blue wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
You have to remember MF has had to wait until we lost a few games to pop up again with his tripe.

He needs a platform of poor on-field performances (otherwise he thinks he looks foolish) so he can attack aspects of the club he is really wants to complain about i.e. the board, Trigg, MLG and McKay. This is despite, what appears to be, improvements many aspects of the club. Things are not perfect but there's certainly a much better vibe about the club since late last year.

Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the Moz for now as it appears as though we won't be winning too many more this year.

Remember Roy cimm? The one who said Brock McLean would be delisted 2 years before occurrence. If only 3 guys are rated my MF he's bound to get some names as delistees right. :lol:


No...im right because the list is crap

As a minimum we need 3 new defenders 3 new forwards 5 new mids on top of the best new talent we have

23
Cripps
C curnow
H mckay
Doc
Plowman
Sossos
Phillips
Sumner

Thats 3 to 4 years of top flight drafting

Are they the only names you think will be there in 2017 MF?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:26 pm 
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Bolt from the Blue wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Bolt from the Blue wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
You have to remember MF has had to wait until we lost a few games to pop up again with his tripe.

He needs a platform of poor on-field performances (otherwise he thinks he looks foolish) so he can attack aspects of the club he is really wants to complain about i.e. the board, Trigg, MLG and McKay. This is despite, what appears to be, improvements many aspects of the club. Things are not perfect but there's certainly a much better vibe about the club since late last year.

Unfortunately we will just have to put up with the Moz for now as it appears as though we won't be winning too many more this year.

Remember Roy cimm? The one who said Brock McLean would be delisted 2 years before occurrence. If only 3 guys are rated my MF he's bound to get some names as delistees right. :lol:


No...im right because the list is crap

As a minimum we need 3 new defenders 3 new forwards 5 new mids on top of the best new talent we have

23
Cripps
C curnow
H mckay
Doc
Plowman
Sossos
Phillips
Sumner

Thats 3 to 4 years of top flight drafting

Are they the only names you think will be there in 2017 MF?


of course not...but the above are the core to take us to 17....i havnt seen cunningham note


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:01 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:

of course not...but the above are the core to take us to 17....i havnt seen cunningham note


I have. Terrible handwriting. Delist.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-05/i ... t-windfall

2016 NAB AFL DRAFT INDICATIVE ORDER

ROUND ONE
4 Gold Coast
5 Carlton
8 Greater Western Sydney
9 Gold Coast (received Melbourne's first-round pick)
16 Greater Western Sydney
17 Greater Western Sydney (received Geelong's first-round pick, via Carlton)

ROUND TWO
21 Gold Coast (received Fremantle's second-round pick)
22 Gold Coast
23 Carlton
25 Gold Coast (received Richmond's second-round pick)
28 Gold Coast (received Port Adelaide's second-round pick)
32 Greater Western Sydney
34 Greater Western Sydney

ROUND THREE
40 Gold Coast
41 Carlton
49 Carlton (received the Western Bulldogs' third-round pick)
52 Greater Western Sydney


Looking at ways to move up the order and get an extra pick in the first round.

Package our two third rounders up for GWS's pick 32 or 34. Then trade that pick plus our second rounder for GWS's pick 16 or 17. Or trade both our third rounders plus our second for pick 16 or 17.

Trade Everitt to Gold Coast for pick 25 or 28 if they're still interested. Then trade that pick plus our second rounder to GWS for 16 or 17.

If GC end up a few spots below us on the ladder possibly trade Everitt plus our first for their first, Eg Pick 5 + Everitt for pick 3.

Any other ideas?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:23 pm 
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Sin City wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-05/indicative-draft-order-giants-suns-set-for-2016-draft-windfall

2016 NAB AFL DRAFT INDICATIVE ORDER

ROUND ONE
4 Gold Coast
5 Carlton
8 Greater Western Sydney
9 Gold Coast (received Melbourne's first-round pick)
16 Greater Western Sydney
17 Greater Western Sydney (received Geelong's first-round pick, via Carlton)

ROUND TWO
21 Gold Coast (received Fremantle's second-round pick)
22 Gold Coast
23 Carlton
25 Gold Coast (received Richmond's second-round pick)
28 Gold Coast (received Port Adelaide's second-round pick)
32 Greater Western Sydney
34 Greater Western Sydney

ROUND THREE
40 Gold Coast
41 Carlton
49 Carlton (received the Western Bulldogs' third-round pick)
52 Greater Western Sydney


Looking at ways to move up the order and get an extra pick in the first round.

Package our two third rounders up for GWS's pick 32 or 34. Then trade that pick plus our second rounder for GWS's pick 16 or 17. Or trade both our third rounders plus our second for pick 16 or 17.

Trade Everitt to Gold Coast for pick 25 or 28 if they're still interested. Then trade that pick plus our second rounder to GWS for 16 or 17.

If GC end up a few spots below us on the ladder possibly trade Everitt plus our first for their first, Eg Pick 5 + Everitt for pick 3.

Any other ideas?

Before I start, didn't Everitt want to return to Victoria when we picked him up?
Now in any case if GC are interested and Andrejs agrees to it, yeah, I'd like to pick up their second rounder.
Then we trade pick 23, 41 and a future second to GWS for Steele, Tomlinson and 16 or 17.
Finally we trade pick 5 and 28 to Sydney for Mitchell and their second rounder.
Other picks can be decided through other trades out of our list, leaving us with a definite 16/17 and 49.
Nice in theory. :smile:

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