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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:14 pm 
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Well apparently Mick was playing for the now and we were playing worse than under Barker who has given the younger guys more responsibility.

I am positive Mick deliberately didn't give young guys more of a go because he had cracked it over the contract situation.

In terms of playing younger players, all it means is similar to Saturday, plus introduce Boeky, Holman, Jakesh etc when form permits and ban the useless cloggers like Jones, Watson, Warnock and Ellard.

Not all those youngsters will make it but no point playing the guys who we know definitely won't.

If we get Gibbs, Jamo and Yaz back without other significant injuries, we should be competitive at least 75% of the time. Still not great, but its better than being a competitive side than an awful one as we were under Micky.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:56 am 
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jimmae wrote:
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Its not about yes to Barker or no. Perhaps this is the fundamental problem with sites like this. We think we know. We think we have an insight.
It's bullshit...our threads are just "selfies" in words.

What I want is to be able to trust the people who will decide so that I can go back to bagging Richmond or Hawthorn or any other damn club I feel like while I watch a string of navy blue champions put another season to rest.

Problem is...Look at the track record of Carlton over the past 15 years...no wonder we take so many selfies...the picture of a club as a shambolic, decrepit, haunted mansion is @#$%&! ugly!.

:clap: What a great post. My sentiments exactly.

Doesn't this make you the guy wanting to photoshop and filter everything because it doesn't meet your standards?

Sorry, I don't understand your post. Please explain.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:59 am 
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She went on to say she thinks we want Worsfold and Dew to be his successor.


There's about $2.0m a year tied up there.

It's simply irresponsible.

Calling bulldust.


And from Dew's perspective, why do another 2 year+ apprenticeship, like Goodwin is. Sounds like he's pretty much ready to run his own show now.


Isn't Worsfold only 46 or so? Doubt he needs a successor straight off

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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If we end up being a better side under Barker it will be pretty clear just how much we stuffed up appointing the Madhouse.

The problem is, Barker in this situation, will look so much better because just about anyone could improve us from where we have been taken. Its scary ... the last thing we want to do is appoint Barker at the end of the year.

I hope those who have influence over the decision have more sense than those who appointed coach Madhouse.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:19 pm 
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Gut feel is that the decision is largely out of our hands, and largely dependent on a) whether we need a handout from the AFL at the end of the year/how bad the operating loss is, and b) what they want in return for it.

I assume a "full and thorough search for the best candidate available" which ends in one of the new coaching accreditation program candidates being appointed on the relative cheap will satisfy all parties (AFL, AFLPA, AFLCA, CFC, probably Barker..)

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:19 am 
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Barker as the temp is the front runner and his results will mean much more than a slick powerpoint presentation and list evaluation.
If he can turn it around this year and has them playing to their skills and with passion, he will get the gig and should.

OK, he came from inside the club two weeks ago but his pedigree is pretty good. He's done his apprenticeship under some pretty big names, not the least of which is Clarkson.

BTW, just wondering how we might have gone with Yarran and Garlett playing last week. Yarran we will have next game but Garlett is playing like a sixteen year old without a worry in the world.

Eddie left. Garlett we kicked out for whatever reason. Loitering with Mitch, maybe. Mistake. Kids go to clubs with issues. Some work it out, some don't. Nobody wanted to touch Franklin or Lewis Jetta and now they're both at Sydney. We could have had Jetta AFAIR. I remember wanting us to get him. Mind you, I wanted the other Garlett as well. Some you get wrong.

Anyway, I reckon Barker will get the gig if he can maintain the rate of improvement. He knows that.

Ross Lyon? Genius? Nah. Good at finishing 2nd. His game plan is like MMs with a bit of extra run through the middle. He's lucky to have Fyfe and Sandi in the same team. He didn't have much say in Sandi and Fyfe was pick what? Fluke?


Barker should NOT get the job, based on what he's shown so far.
He needs to show more.

Famousblueraincoat made a good point in the Adelaide post game thread - this is the same situation as Ratts all over again.

Ratts came in and gave the team some fresh air, buoyed the players' spirits and convinced them to actually suck it up and put in a bit of effort before their Mad Monday celebrations, have a few honourable losses, and everybody thought what a nice guy Ratts was, let's give him the job, etc.

Barker should be held to the same standards as Mick was!!!
(maybe with a slight pro rata handicap for his lower salary)

Simply convincing the team to 'try' and lose by gradually reducing margins is not sufficient!
Nobody was banging down Mick's door to re-sign him last year when we were mediocre, so why should Barker get the job based on a couple of average losses?

The players need to take the heat for switching on and off - and they will. More will go at the end of the year. Just putting in a few token efforts because the mean, stubborn coach got sacked is not sufficient. Barker needs to motivate them to start winning!

Barker has been a low profile assistant, in a mediocre team environment, for the past 4 and half years (maybe it's harsh to describe the whole of Ratts' time as mediocre, but we didn't make a GF). That is a definite strike against him, whether its his fault or not.

There's plenty of successful head coaches who are successful because they had a stellar team of assistants around them. Barker has worked under great coaches - fine. That's a plus.

But he needs to prove he can get the team winning.
Unless he can do that, there is absolutely no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, or a head start, or favourable consideration, or whatever.

I'd rather take a chance on an assistant who has won premierships in a motivated, consistent team... than gift the job to a mediocre caretaker coach.

If Barker wants to the job he needs to do more to convince me.
There are still 12 rounds to play.
No excuses - 5 or 6 more wins MINIMUM.

No tanking in return for a job. Just win, Barks

The incumbent always has the best chance to show what he has. No amount of powerpoint slides will stand up to a good second half of the season.
Ratts got the gig by being the incumbent. He did pretty well in his first six games and they liked the look of him.
Who says he was the wrong man for the job? He got us to finals various times with a list MM took from top five to the bottom in only three seasons. I thought we should have kept him all along.
Barker might not get the job. I couldn't give a flying one but he is in the box seat.
Neeld was selected after an exhaustive search.
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 Post subject: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:26 am 
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Now Barker has had a clear 2 weeks to make some tweaks and educate the players the season for him starts now.

I'm interested in the game style, I want a defensive mindset but have a team that takes risks moving forward and works hard to get back when we turn it over

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:10 pm 
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Could be completely irrelevant, but Dew's wife (ch 7 reporter) is expecting a child in November. Could that impact a decision to move interstate in October?


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Could be completely irrelevant, but Dew's wife (ch 7 reporter) is expecting a child in November. Could that impact a decision to move interstate in October?

Nah. We moved from Oz to Mexico with a 3 week old.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Well that settles it then.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Could be completely irrelevant, but Dew's wife (ch 7 reporter) is expecting a child in November. Could that impact a decision to move interstate in October?

Assuming she's having a healthy pregnancy, I think it's not considered much of an issue inside the third trimester? Surely he'd know about the state of affairs in late July based on our timetable, so she could move ahead of time if he accepts the job.

It's more just a consideration of stress and being in a cramped space, and airlines covering their butts.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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I don't think Dew is in the running. I hear the club wants someone with plenty of years experience as an assistant and is a good developer of players. I think the club will go down the development path and then poach a premiership coach in three years time...... Ross Lyon


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Why not pick someone with potential now and grow them with the team instead of hoping you can synergise two appointments?

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Could be completely irrelevant, but Dew's wife (ch 7 reporter) is expecting a child in November. Could that impact a decision to move interstate in October?

Nah. We moved from Oz to Mexico with a 3 week old.


Yeah but Dew isn't on the run so not relevant...

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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jimmae wrote:
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Could be completely irrelevant, but Dew's wife (ch 7 reporter) is expecting a child in November. Could that impact a decision to move interstate in October?

Assuming she's having a healthy pregnancy, I think it's not considered much of an issue inside the third trimester? Surely he'd know about the state of affairs in late July based on our timetable, so she could move ahead of time if he accepts the job.

It's more just a consideration of stress and being in a cramped space, and airlines covering their butts.


Are you a robot?

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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I've seen Ex_Machina.

You're definitely not that advanced if you are.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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jimmae wrote:
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Could be completely irrelevant, but Dew's wife (ch 7 reporter) is expecting a child in November. Could that impact a decision to move interstate in October?

Assuming she's having a healthy pregnancy, I think it's not considered much of an issue inside the third trimester? Surely he'd know about the state of affairs in late July based on our timetable, so she could move ahead of time if he accepts the job.

It's more just a consideration of stress and being in a cramped space, and airlines covering their butts.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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because carlton



..yep, first you get the rebuild coach, then you fret cos the rebuild isn't as fast as you told the masses (liars), then you sack the rebuild coach, pay him out, and poach a prem coach at double cost....

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