Mate, the contract expires. The player doesn’t.

Harry O’Farrell’s contract expires next year. All going well, he’ll re-sign (careful, now ) with the club and start a new one.

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but that's why i'm confused. bondi is acting like all these expirings give us some kind of spending bonanza war chest, when in fact most the $$ will go back into re-signing players.

i thought i must have been missing something.

i'm the first to admit i'm clueless. you speaking in tongues has really sent me spiralling

We’ve got 19 players out of contract this year.

12 Primary List: Good chance that four out of the top six won’t be on the list next year.

De Koning
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McGovern
Docherty
Silvagni
Newman
Hewett
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Fantasia
Haynes
Kemp
Motlop
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Wilson
Lemmey

7 Rookie List: Top three names are in our best 26-30 players.

Cincotta
Carroll
White
Young
Charleson
Monahan
Evans

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Who are the 4? I'd think 2, maybe 3.

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De Koning, McGovern, Docherty and…

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cheers cru. i really appreciate all that

Newman.

It wasn’t a wish list. As a late starter, he might have a few more miles in the legs. Percentages are against him though.

He’s going to be an assistant coach somewhere. Hopefully it’s here.

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I reckon percentages are well in his favour. Especially with a dearth of quality ball using half backs on our list.
Plus he gives a bit of mongrel our side is missing.

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Fkn hell braith ease up bro

First of all, your format of a challenge is W.R.O.N.G on and in this forum, and,
Second, you wouldn't do anything but say hello when you meet
Third, its always regretful .

Lets move on from the bravado of a keyboard.

Where were we? I'm right!
Not sue what about.

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Not all all, I'm just following Crusader's list to ensure Ive got the digits right in my excel spreadsheet.
I didn't say I dont stutter on the keyboard if Ive had a couple. but I didnt say 17 plus 10 contracts happen in 2025. FMD who thought that?

Clutch my Pearls. WTF is happening here Cru? braithy?

Give you the tip: At leat 10 of the 17 will be on our list in 2026. Does that make sense?

Note. Apart from injuries, we have been found wanting with more than 8 injured this year.
I think we need to replace at least 8 depth/ Best 18 players. Add more if we trade 2025 Best 23 players to that number. ie For Harry I would want 2 GREAT role players.

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my point that my illogical brain was comprehending was; if the contracts that are expiring are none of the big 7 who are around a mil, all we can afford is the same kind of players coming back our way? we really need to move some big contracts to have a war chest to spend?


of the primary list, i'd only renew george and silvagni. newman, provided he still has mobility (not a given) on a really low cost deal. at 32 and coming off a ruptured patella, i can't see other clubs queuing up for him, so that might be possible.

george's deal won't be as good as his current one would it, considering he'll be 30?

I'm not acting, so lets get that part of forum posting right. You just said I was.

Forget the war chest if you haven't done your spread sheet. I've just got home with a gutfull, and all I can ask you to do to amke your life comfortable is to divide the warchest by half, or more, and take off the names you think will be delisted come years end, and I tell you, you will be surprised with how much money is there to spend, but ther's not many picks. What draft collateral we could get for depth players, or kids. That's the bottom line IMHO.

What you make of that is your choice. Do you want picks for players? Coz you definetely have money for a FA or TWO id you cash in.....17 contracts equals.... lets not make a mountainm out of a mole hill

We are not Carlton circa 2002, 2009, 2014. We can fix this easy. We have a good base now. We have a base and can choose what we want to keep, and what we don't want to keep, and that is based on what we need to keep, and how long we want to keep. That's the 101 rule of birth and death of contracts. We're OK. We are not constrained by a warden of death by a hundred cuts. The AFL Commission has its hands full and hasn't got time to fk Carlton over anymore. Only we can do it now.

Whether its planned, or whether we like it , or not, we have 17 contracts which give us flexibility to do what NEEDS to be done. Nothing more, Nothing less.

We are not in as bad position as some choose to paint. Decisions will be made.

We can only discuss what we'd like to see. Stop saying what I am acting like. I'm not acting and I'm not the one confused let alone trying to confuse as I have been subjected of.

The confusion is between Cru and braithy. Leave me out of it. I think we are fine till the end of the year, then I hope reason prevails and it is shaped with patience.

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haha. stop acting like this is a big deal, old bean.


i would want 5 new players via free agency or trades that all fill a void.

small forward x 2
speedy mid with a little polish
half back flanker who can quarterback us out of our D50 - the newman or houston role.
a new winger - acres is shot.

Yeah that's Ok braith

Silvagni....what do you pay him?
George has his trigger in operation
Newman...I thinjk he'll be good for our list given a lack of trade alternatives......maybe WQright/ Austin have some
Hewett .....what about him? I think he had a trigger for 2026?????



Add Hewett and that's 4 of 17 ...what about Evans, White, Motlop, Wilson, Lemmey, kids, Lord Lemmey......Doc? ...thats just from the top of my head

Cincotta? Kemp? Gov, Haynes Evans and Fantasia? They are over 23yo plus some.

Maybe Wright IS the best thing to happen for us, not Cooke, not Voss, not Teague, not Silvagni

Wright has plenty of Flexibility, plus he has to find a replacement for Austin, Agresta, Looyd....plenty of change will happen. Patience now.

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i'm putting all my hope into wright being the guy who once and for all fixes us.

if he's given full license to operate, i can't see he how he doesn't fix us.

Yeah I agree.

That sounds great

Its not too radical

Who are you thinking? ie Which 7 FA & DFA are you thinking of? The list is public. I'm not going over the players list agin. I'm not interested in....hang on...Bergman spikes on interested, like Houston did....now you're talking.....I get that Wright would know of some gems he was after from his Pies days that didn't come to fruition. Gosh I hope he can turn this wround quick and reward the players who have stuck by us like Southby, Pinnell, Buckley, McKay, Hunter, Buzza till his last breath.........Nichols...FMD....have to win it form him at least.....Tiger......

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As long as he's not acting

You know, Wright's an old bean

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If he hasn’t already, George will hit his triggers for another 12 months. Hopefully it’s the same, or some kind of pro-rata (more in this case, since the TPP has increased). Pretty sure the original number was around $400k. When we got him, he was a slow half back that wasn’t a great kick. He’s still two of those things, so the league average of $500k would pass the pub test.

Silvagni has every right to be walking in there & asking for 4+ years on $800k. That’s a bit of a wrinkle, but it’s like that time we fell arse backwards into Liam Jones, except his foot skills don’t cause ulcers.

I’d be letting McGovern go. O’Farrell is coming on at a rate of knots & we’re about to add Harry Dean behind him. His spot needs to be a medium-small defender. Someone that’s way better than him at scooping up the groundball.

I hope that Doc doesn’t become a list clogger & calls it himself. He’s not a half back any more. He’s getting squeezed out of the wings. The half forwards are awful, but he’s not getting in there either.

I agree with BV that there is a spot for Newy & I hope like hell that he’ll make it back to take it. The group needs him… I just don’t know if he can. Jesus, don’t let it play out like it did with Doc last year. Don’t let him work his arse off for a miraculous comeback if it’s going to be as pitiful as that was.

The others won’t move the needle that much, as far as TPP goes. But, Haynes has certainly proven his worth.

Kemp, Fantasia & Motlop are all in the gun as the forward half has come undone. Not that the first two are part of the problem, but they’re not part of the solution while they’re in the rehab group. Kemp is replaceable on type but, at 25-26yo, I kinda want to see if he can be more of a big medium than an undersized tall. Fantasia has already been replaced this year - three times.

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If we had Williams, Elijah, Kemp and even Martin in the team as forwards, we wouldn’t be having these conversations about trading Harry or Charlie. That is the funny part. Add the icing on top and support the class.

Also, I’d be very weary on what you wish for……….

Thanks for the list Rexy.

Here's the player list with salaries

On the left I have entered the salary, including game payments, but haven't factored any front loading.
I have not included LTI replacements Young and White salaries either. They don't count.



$15800M is what the maximum payments club would be making.

$16625M is 95% of SC

Therefore $825M shortfall has to be made up of payments in advance to make up 95% (ie more frontloading)

I have not factored in the front loading for Williams (600), Cripps (800), Harry, Charlie and Doc, therefore the real number we spend in 2025 would be less 900K.
In fact, the salary I have quoted includes bonus payments for Coleman, BnF and AA nominations that players may not have even received.

Point is, its difficult to see us spending 95% of SC let alone 100% of SC.

What happens to the change we get from only spending 95% of SC? ie the $875M difference?
You can bank up to 5 years of savings, and if you don't spend it in 5th year, you lose it.
This is Austin's 5th year. He may have saved 5 x $875M = $4.375 M (warchest)

Even if the war chest is half that number, its still over $2M we have to pay for a FA and a few depth players
We have 17 contracts expiring this year, so making spots available for 3 kids in the draft and 3 new players is easy.
We just don't have Draft capital, unless TDK walks or we get something for Kemp, but he's part of our much needed depth.
WE will find a way.

TDK's salary will increase from $650 to $1000K, or we save $1000K
SOS will be asking for an increase from his $400K to $800K
WE can still afford all this and still have our war chest to spend.

Walshy will be taking home his 900 after 2026, and increase of 100K on his current contract, maybe 150K, but Williams 900 or more like 600 will offset that after 2026 plus change.

There's bigger issues at play at Carlton than the salary cap.
The issue we have is that Harry Charlie are not producing value for $950K
TDK, as a ruckman is not worth $1M and his ruck stats are quite ordinary despite his flashy blonde hair waves around attracting attention.

Improving Depth with skilled players, and replacing the butchers in the team.

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