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HE IS A *edited*. 5 years of development and belief and he throws it back in our face. F#$+ HIM.


Beautifully put Dukes. And we should say to the Hawks #6 or we'll take him in the PSD and have him play Full back for the Ants. I want us to build a long term culture, and I'm happy to lose games in the short term to get there. We need to win on this one and send our a message. I hate Hamill but the main problem was what we got with our #4 pick. If we'd got Kerr instead of Livo guess who would have come out several kilometres in front! Get #6 and draft a superstar, that's my preferred scenario


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Can somebody tell me why wasn't Thornton signed up mid-year ? Why was it left so late. Was his negotiations put on hold for any reasons ?

The club got off there arses to sign Kouta, Fev and Lance before the season was over last and this year.

A club doesn't wait until the end of the year to re-sign somebody unless they were already thinking about a trade..


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Thorton is a F@%&#! sook with an oversized ego.

People here who think they are in the know have told all and sundry that he thinks of himself as a bit of a midfielder and wants an opportunity there and has been disgruntled with Dennis for not giving him a go.
Well F@%&#! him a good team player plays where he is required not where he wants to.

The fact is we havent gotten rid of Dennis so therefore anyone who is unwilling to play under him needs to Piss off. This may see us at the bottom of the ladder for years to come but I doubt it personally. The board has made their bed by keeping him on and will be judged for it, if not in the next few months definitely by the end of next season.

If the club really wants to make a point the they stick to their guns in respect to contracts and screws the Dorks for all they can get. Thornton has put himself on the open market so we should shop him around to all and sundry and take whats best for us. I'd love to be able to do a deal with the Scum but Sheedy is probably to shrewd, but hey woudnt it be nice to see Thornton as the player with the most spoons listed against him in the record books when he retires.


Thats interesting Mark.

Lets put the boot on the other foot.
You enjoy your job immensely. Suddenly management puts a person in charge who treats you like a child. Any creativity or encouragement you had to improvise and learn state of the art skills are removed.
Your boss has old time ideals and demands you follow suit.
He doesnt accept any new ideas or welcome outside experts to train you and broaden your horizons.

The company lurches from one disaster to another and your supervisor continually blames you and your workmates and refuses to take any responsibility.
After 3 years and another abysmal year, the company threatens to remove your supervisor but doesnt have the guts to do it.
You want to learn as much as you can but this person refuses to accept modern philosphies or techniques.

A competitor offers you superior money, conditions and more importantly, the opportunity to increase your knowledge. They offer a vibrant, young, modern thinking supervisor who values your opinions and doesnt ridicule you in public.

Where would you work? :?

Friendships and loyalty are fantastic but your employer also has a responsibility.
If you are sub standard in your treatment of people, you have no right to demand loyalty in return.

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I hope this is the last straw that breaks this board's and Dennis back. Don't think the avg supporter is going to look at this kindly in the coming board elections.


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I'ce removed a bit of off-topic stuff and some innaproproate comments. It might pay for a few of you to have a read of these once again…

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... php?t=2919

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If Bret is out of contract, why do Hawthorn need to offer anything to Carlton?

For all the preachers of team loyalty and a growing spirit in the Carlton Football Club, it's good to see so many turn on this bloke so quickly. For the past three years he has had one of the hardest jobs in the AFL and I think he has performed admirably.

If this club wants to show it's supporters belief in itself, letting one of it's key players get away is not the right course of action.


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Blue Vain wrote:
Lets put the boot on the other foot.
You enjoy your job immensely. Suddenly management puts a person in charge who treats you like a child. Any creativity or encouragement you had to improvise and learn state of the art skills are removed.
Your boss has old time ideals and demands you follow suit.
He doesnt accept any new ideas or welcome outside experts to train you and broaden your horizons.

The company lurches from one disaster to another and your supervisor continually blames you and your workmates and refuses to take any responsibility.
After 3 years and another abysmal year, the company threatens to remove your supervisor but doesnt have the guts to do it.
You want to learn as much as you can but this person refuses to accept modern philosphies or techniques.

A competitor offers you superior money, conditions and more importantly, the opportunity to increase your knowledge. They offer a vibrant, young, modern thinking supervisor who values your opinions and doesnt ridicule you in public.

Where would you work? :?

Friendships and loyalty are fantastic but your employer also has a responsibility.
If you are sub standard in your treatment of people, you have no right to demand loyalty in return.

Lucky he's only asking for a trade... he couldv'e gone 'postal'! :wink:

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I've removed a bit of off-topic stuff and some innaproproate comments. It might pay for a few of you to have a read of these once again…

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... php?t=2919


Ditto......behave yourselves or earn a break away.


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I hope this is the last straw that breaks this board's and Dennis back. Don't think the avg supporter is going to look at this kindly in the coming board elections.


THe majority seem to think it's Thornton's fault

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I blame Howard's workplace relations legislation. 8)

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Many people claim that Thornton is a 2nd or 3rd backman. I absolutely hate this argument. In an ideal world, that may be the case. But he has never been a 2nd or 3rd backman and he won't be at Hawthorn.


Why do you hate this argument? In any other Carlton side in the past 39 years he probably wouldnt have gotten a run. This is the worst backline in the league and our modern (68 and on) history.


I hate the argument, because he's not playing in years of past, he is playing today. Where he has played KP. And he will continue to play KP.

In today's game, there isn't a plethora of traditional KP players, guys previously considered undersized are asked to play above their height. And Thornton is one of those guys. He has never played 2nd or 3rd backman, and Hawthorn aren't recruiting him for that either - they are after KP. And we should trade accordingly


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If Bret is out of contract, why do Hawthorn need to offer anything to Carlton?

For all the preachers of team loyalty and a growing spirit in the Carlton Football Club, it's good to see so many turn on this bloke so quickly. For the past three years he has had one of the hardest jobs in the AFL and I think he has performed admirably.

If this club wants to show it's supporters belief in itself, letting one of it's key players get away is not the right course of action.


He wants a fresh change, leaving for the same money same terms. Where is the loyatly to the team and his mates? That is why people have turned on him. If he left for $350k then so be it, he then becomes a money hungry pig :-D

Hawks won't get him cheap. They buckle to our demands for pick(s) or put a price on his head that Essendon*, Kangaroos, Port and Lions will pass on. Will Hawthorn be willing to pay $350-$400k? as IMO that is what he would have to put on his head to slip through to the Hawks pick.

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And let's not get all carried away....the only info we have is what the club and his manager have chosen to tell.......there will be many more details involved in the contract negotiations that have not been revealed.


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I blame Howard's workplace relations legislation. 8)


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kwtf_ wrote:
If Bret is out of contract, why do Hawthorn need to offer anything to Carlton?


If Bret is out of contract, why do Hawthorn need to offer anything to Carlton?

Sorry, I just don't understand the system.


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kwtf_ wrote:
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If Bret is out of contract, why do Hawthorn need to offer anything to Carlton?


If Bret is out of contract, why do Hawthorn need to offer anything to Carlton?

Sorry, I just don't understand the system.


We can determine where he goes for the right trade. Without it, him quitting the Club puts him into the PSD. If he goes to the PSD its whoever pays the price with the earliest pick.

Thornton wanting to go to th Club that has courted him means the only way he can get there is by trading.


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If Bret is out of contract, why do Hawthorn need to offer anything to Carlton?


If Bret is out of contract, why do Hawthorn need to offer anything to Carlton?

Sorry, I just don't understand the system.


Well for a start they'd have to take him in the PSD and hope that any of the 5 teams with a pick before them don't select Bret.

Secondly they have to hope that no one else wants to trade for Bret. If Melbourne offers us Pick 12 he's gone and Hawthorn will miss out.

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Care to paraphrase what was said mjonc?


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Well done to the last caller on SEN.


For those of us who aren't listening right now....

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