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Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Jack Newnes added.... viewtopic.php?p=1965789#p1965789

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Sidefx wrote:

What about targeting Luke Partington from Glenelg. He has some pretty good stats in the SANFL and just won the Magarey Medal.

https://sanfl.com.au/league/clubs/glene ... eason=2019

Yes from me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbmAzh_274

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Hope we look at Lukas Webb for a rookie spot. Classy player if AR can do his magic.

ianh · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:08 pm **Posts:** 906

windy wrote:

Crusader wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

I truly don’t understand the ‘trade Fisher’ push. Really is quite disturbing.

Agree. He would have absolutely zero currency at the trade table.

We will revisit this post in a years time champ.

You might both be right. On recent form at any rate he wouldn't get much in a trade but he has shown enough for me to believe he has what it takes despite his small size and tendency to lose his feet.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17946

ianh wrote:

windy wrote:

Crusader wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

I truly don’t understand the ‘trade Fisher’ push. Really is quite disturbing.

Agree. He would have absolutely zero currency at the trade table.

We will revisit this post in a years time champ.

You might both be right. On recent form at any rate he wouldn't get much in a trade but he has shown enough for me to believe he has what it takes despite his small size and tendency to lose his feet.

Round 1 against the eventual premier, 22 possessions, 8 clearances (The most of any player on the ground), 6 tackles. Not bad for a light body at 20 years of age.
I understand Teague wanting to win games but Fisher and Dow were hung out to dry once he took over.
Put Fisher in the midfield and you'll see his value. I love Murphy but he should be playing as the small forward, not Fisher.
Both he and Dow will be our future. Along with Cripps and Walsh. Bolton did a lot wrong but I give him credit for putting time into the development of our kids.
At his own expense.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:27 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

ianh wrote:

windy wrote:

Crusader wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

I truly don’t understand the ‘trade Fisher’ push. Really is quite disturbing.

Agree. He would have absolutely zero currency at the trade table.

We will revisit this post in a years time champ.

You might both be right. On recent form at any rate he wouldn't get much in a trade but he has shown enough for me to believe he has what it takes despite his small size and tendency to lose his feet.

Round 1 against the eventual premier, 22 possessions, 8 clearances (The most of any player on the ground), 6 tackles. Not bad for a light body at 20 years of age.
I understand Teague wanting to win games but Fisher and Dow were hung out to dry once he took over.
Put Fisher in the midfield and you'll see his value. I love Murphy but he should be playing as the small forward, not Fisher.
Both he and Dow will be our future. Along with Cripps and Walsh. Bolton did a lot wrong but I give him credit for putting time into the development of our kids.
At his own expense.

Debatable. I think Dow and Fishers development was hindered by being thrown to coal face to early. Both struggled to rack up possessions and both went missing for big chunks of the game.
If these 2 want to play midfield then it is up to them to push Murphy and Curnow out.
Winning games is the best form of development.
Teague got it right Bolton had it horribly wrong and the side believe it or not was heading backwards.
If they would have kept on this track the likes of Dow and Fisher would have been on the scrap heap in a year or 2.
They now have a good chance to prove themselves

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Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Who's to say Bolton wouldn't have done what Teague did putting the mature players back in the guts after the bye ?

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17946

Sydney Blue wrote:

Winning games is the best form of development.

Nice cliche' but it's not entirely accurate.
Did Dow and Fisher develop when we were winning more games? Nah.
We just gained more value out of our older players whilst Fisher and Dow went backwards.
I didn't say they should play at the expense of Murphy and Ed but they should have been better integrated into the midfield rotation. Both Bolton and Tegaue were one extreme or the other.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10475

Blue Vain wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

Winning games is the best form of development.

Nice cliche' but it's not entirely accurate.
Did Dow and Fisher develop when we were winning more games? Nah.
We just gained more value out of our older players whilst Fisher and Dow went backwards.
I didn't say they should play at the expense of Murphy and Ed but they should have been better integrated into the midfield rotation. Both Bolton and Tegaue were one extreme or the other.

I don’t think anyone could argue with this statement. :thumbsup:

I believe we will see many more midfield rotations in 2020.

ColourMan · **Joined:** Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:51 am **Posts:** 1291

Blue Vain wrote:

ianh wrote:

windy wrote:

Crusader wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

I truly don’t understand the ‘trade Fisher’ push. Really is quite disturbing.

Agree. He would have absolutely zero currency at the trade table.

We will revisit this post in a years time champ.

You might both be right. On recent form at any rate he wouldn't get much in a trade but he has shown enough for me to believe he has what it takes despite his small size and tendency to lose his feet.

Round 1 against the eventual premier, 22 possessions, 8 clearances (The most of any player on the ground), 6 tackles. Not bad for a light body at 20 years of age.
I understand Teague wanting to win games but Fisher and Dow were hung out to dry once he took over.
Put Fisher in the midfield and you'll see his value. I love Murphy but he should be playing as the small forward, not Fisher.
Both he and Dow will be our future. Along with Cripps and Walsh. Bolton did a lot wrong but I give him credit for putting time into the development of our kids.
At his own expense.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:42 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

Winning games is the best form of development.

Nice cliche' but it's not entirely accurate.
Did Dow and Fisher develop when we were winning more games? Nah.
We just gained more value out of our older players whilst Fisher and Dow went backwards.
I didn't say they should play at the expense of Murphy and Ed but they should have been better integrated into the midfield rotation. Both Bolton and Tegaue were one extreme or the other.

Maybe they did go backwards but maybe it was a good lesson for them that if want to get more involved they need to be doing more than what they were.
Midfielders need to be getting the ball 25 to 30 times a game. We had SPS Fisher and Dow all getting between 15 to 20. Clearly not working hard enough and the move to the forward line for two of them exposed this. SPS thrived when he went back.
Teague took them out and send watch this.
If Dow and Fisher didn't get the message that ordinary games for the sake of so called development is no longer going to cut it .
Dow and Fisher were gifted games in the midfield where even poor players like Bentick and Graham could get 15 to 20 possessions.
What Teague exposed was Dow and Fishers ability to get more involved in the game and work harder.
If they went backwards it was their own doing

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Steve_C7 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:39 pm **Posts:** 1002

Blue Vain wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

Winning games is the best form of development.

Nice cliche' but it's not entirely accurate.
Did Dow and Fisher develop when we were winning more games? Nah.
We just gained more value out of our older players whilst Fisher and Dow went backwards.
I didn't say they should play at the expense of Murphy and Ed but they should have been better integrated into the midfield rotation. Both Bolton and Tegaue were one extreme or the other.

If you look at the team as a collective, then yes the kids developed much more under Teague. JSOS, Kennedy, Sammo, LOB, Charlie all players better even though Dow & Fisher went back a bit.

To be fair, I think that Teague would like a bit more rotation in the midfield, however he was doing his job audition, so he knew winning would be the only way to get it and that meant he was a little compromised in his longer term vision

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:10 am

There was a balance with regards to our mid field rotations- I don’t think either Bolton or Teague got it totally right.

But having both Dow and Fisher in the middle at the same time for centre ball ups was wrong.

In 2020 need to get the balance right.

snakehips · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:18 pm **Posts:** 565

Rexy wrote:

Hope we look at Lukas Webb for a rookie spot. Classy player if AR can do his magic.

Might get your wish Rexy.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-12/injurycursed-dog-training-at-blues-cut-power-forward-eyes-swans-lifeline

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Crusader · **Posted:** Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:31 pm

Webb could make a real difference if he can beat the injury curse.

Newnes, Webb, Dow, Fisher, LOB, Cunningham, Williamson & Gibbons is a good midfield group for the reserves, but is light on for experience. I respect SOS for trying to add a few guys to provide that sort of foundation for the development group, but at 27/28 you’re either in the ones, or playing with your mates. Wright is the one that got away in that regard.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:03 am

Rexy wrote:

Hope we look at Lukas Webb for a rookie spot. Classy player if AR can do his magic.

Gotta take note when you post.

Any idea where Carlton will end up at the end of 2020? :wink:

Good call Rexy

Donstuie · **Posted:** Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:20 pm

Rexy wrote:

Hope we look at Lukas Webb for a rookie spot. Classy player if AR can do his magic.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:52 pm

Some good nerdy stats on list continuity…

https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/d ... pion_data/

No surprises at the results for us correlating with our peaks and troughs.

sticksaftersiren87 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:50 am **Posts:** 1221

37 on the primary list now. Picks 43 and 70 (if we use it) to come and jack martin.

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