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Who should be Carlton's next coach?
Teague 48%  48%  [ 125 ]
B Scott 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Clarkson 13%  13%  [ 34 ]
Ratten 13%  13%  [ 33 ]
Voss 7%  7%  [ 18 ]
Malthouse 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Walls 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Caracella 3%  3%  [ 9 ]
Longmuir 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Barker 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Leppitsch 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Mitchell 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Bassett 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Burns 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Roos 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 262
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:10 pm 
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IMO Bolton is a good coach but not for an AFL club - obviously.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:10 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
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-We are a little more attacking than before.



Boltons last 3 games. Averaged 44 points for.
Teagues last 3 games. Averaged 93 points for. That's a lot of little.


To be fair BV, seeing as though the last 2-3 games BB was on the out we should be comparing the first 4 this year for BB and the first 4 for DT.
BB 1-4
For - 70.7
Against - 80.25

DT 12-16
For - 89
Against - 86.5


What did the injury list look like in those rrspective periods?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:35 pm 
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Sidefx, I agree with you about Clarkson and would still be stoked if we can nab him, even though I switched my vote to Teague in the euphoric aftermath of Fremantle. But you don't need to downplay Teague to make your point. Under him we've had two wins, two losses by under a kick, and five 5-goal deficits overturned, after a period of... what was it again, 4 wins in 43 or whatever, and damned if I can remember any epic comebacks in that period (leads lost, on the other hand...). There's simply no argument that he's been a big upgrade from Bolton, and it's unfair to claim anyone could have done it (but hey, easy to make statements when there's no way to disprove them). But yes, we have to see how he's looking at season's end, and be ruthless if Clarkson or whoever is deemed our best chance of sustained success.


Look, it's a fair point. But I also look at the possibility that if BB hadn't lost the senior players, were these wins inevitable in our development (most likely not, but you never know)? Or if they promoted Barker instead, who's to say that he wouldn't have had the same result if not better. Look at what Shaw is doing with the Roos. Personally, if we had won the last 4 straight with good clean footy, I would be on the band wagon, saying he's our man and a genius at that. But last week was like watching a game where the honeymoon was over and the shiny gloss of a new coach had worn off and we were back to old tricks. If Clarkson came to us, like you, I would not only see a breath of fresh air for the club, but the confidence that things were about to change without any reservations of it not. Rather than leaving it to the gods, so to speak, with another untried senior coach. Ruthlessness at the end of the year is a must, as we are not just replacing a coach, we need a coach to lead our team for sustained success, as you've stated.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:48 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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-We are a little more attacking than before.



Boltons last 3 games. Averaged 44 points for.
Teagues last 3 games. Averaged 93 points for. That's a lot of little.


To be fair BV, seeing as though the last 2-3 games BB was on the out we should be comparing the first 4 this year for BB and the first 4 for DT.
BB 1-4
For - 70.7
Against - 80.25

DT 12-16
For - 89
Against - 86.5


What did the injury list look like in those rrspective periods?


Interesting point.
I know we had no Kruezer or Marchbank at the start of the year.
But even then, you couldn't properly compare as we had a heap of new guys to the AFL playing like Gibbons, Setterfield (to an extent) & Walsh. Plus new mature players to the team like Fasolo and McGovern all learning new team mates, structures and game plans. Then you have players like McKay, O'brien and Dow starting their second year.
And under DT we have had Cripps, Curnow and McKay out.

I guess other than the basics of total score, you can't really compare fairly.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:06 pm 
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Teague and Paul Roos combo. Teague can connect with players and play the attacking brand with Roos guiding him with experience, culture and analysis.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:11 pm 
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Clarkson firming - don't be surprised despite public denials.

Cheers.

A poster on BF has said that Teague would not apply for the job anyway as he feels he is not ready.
Not sure he has finished his coaching course either.

Clarkson, as much as I dislike him, he would be a great get.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:31 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:33 pm 
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Thanks OR.
Always appreciate your mail. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:33 pm 
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Wow thanks for the update OR.

Clarkson would be an all/nothing move by the club. But we almost don't have a choice. As much as I've expressed my doubts on this earlier, i don't know what alternatives there are.

It would make it easier to get Coniglio across.

What a coup it would be to get both.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:13 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
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Lol how the @#$%&! is Teague supposed to have fixed years of shit coaching and fix all the skill errors in 4 weeks?


The funny part is you're not laying any blame at his feet for the mess we are in. He's just as guilty as the rest, yet everyone is drooling over him because we've had pretty much the same result as what we would've had under any caretaker coach that is currently at the club. And as I've stated before and this was a tongue in cheek comment under "Cons", it's not the head coaches job to fix players skill errors (much to the amazement of some), they are all drafted with these skills already and they have line coaches, development coaches and even sports psychologists for that. Teague is supposed to be "freeing" these players up to play to their own strengths and build belief........and if the weekend was a judgement game for that, we are well and truly screwed.
You don't understand. He'd lost the players. He had to go. It's not about whether Teague is right or not. It's not even about whether Bolton was right or not. I would've preferred him to be the one. But Cripps and Curnow and Simpson and Thomas (and possibly Murphy) didn't. For better or worse, that was it!

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Moshe I think you're the one not understanding. I know that BB had lost the players, but that's not my point and I believe I have articulated that quite clearly. My post was all about Teague and the confusion I have with peoples infatuation of him being our next head coach and not having shown any reason why he should be. Especially putting him before a tried and tested coach that will both bring leadership and lure mature A-Grade players to the club. If we keep Teague we may as well have kept BB. And your'e right, it's all about the players and what inspires them and I'd put my money on them believing in a Clarkson to lead them to as premiership over a senior coach in training wheels (as Judd so eloquently stated).


I'm with Moshe on this, I was a Bolton supporter however the past few weeks have been refreshing.

I think it's time to move on, enjoy the ride and let's hope the Club gets it right.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:21 pm 
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Cain Liddle back tracking on Judds comments.

It will be interesting to see how the players respond.

I don't think we have seen enough of Teague just yet but one thing is for sure at present he is getting more out of the group than Bolton.

Such a pity Charlie and Cripps were injured and now Marchbank. You would have liked to see how Teague went with what Bolton had to work with

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:23 pm 
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Just an unnecessary and disrespectful move by Judd. Pretty easy for him to say something like "we've been pleased with how the team has gone in the last month but we have a process to find our next coach and we'll stick to it." This just causes a distraction that could have been easily avoided.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:49 pm 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Clarkson firming - don't be surprised despite public denials.


Thanks as always OR. Always thought this was not a realistic possibility. Guess I’ll have to change that mindset now.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:13 pm 
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Judd isn’t as smart as he thinks he is.

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grrofunger wrote:
Judd isn’t as smart as he thinks he is.



But haven't you heard? He reads the fin review

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:24 pm 
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Robbo pushing the Roos/Voss agenda

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:39 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
Judd isn’t as smart as he thinks he is.
.... in the compromised media forum... Correct!

I'm not set on Teague but he's been good... Very good.
Don't believe the 'just letting the kids play to their strengths' mantra... that's for the media and the rusted on yahoos that will support the Blues and never question anything.

Case in point...
SOJ onto Fyfe... In the presser Teague said that they planned for it of other things (Ed) wasn't working...
Can anyone find me a post/media quote/media analysis /hallucination/previous tag(big bodied other teams players) ... where this had been discussed/done before it happened?

IMHO this show as both preparation and thinking at paln B, C, D level as well development WAAAAYY beyond 'we'll let then play to their strengths' rubbish.

(BTW has SOJ ever played a run with role? Seniors or NB's?)

Anyway, my 2 cents


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:42 pm 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Clarkson firming - don't be surprised despite public denials.
:thumbsup:

.. And... ... Fits Pratt's mantra.. (mhRIP)

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Thanks OR appreciate the good mail, it would be quite an achievement if we are able to sway him over.

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