What's this whether nonsense?!!!!

You've been saying "when MM takes over" ör "when the new coach takes over" for a while now.

Don't tell me you're not 100% sure about the inner workings of the board, surely this can't be true??


The Occupationist unsure???????????

Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

The one game nobody gave us a chance was the second game against the Pies. We were slight favs at the bookies against Bummers and Dogs.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

Or maybe I am just tired of peoples inability to read?

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I'm a complete fence sitter on this. I want us to win the premiership AND get a new coach for next year.

Surely that's not too much to ask.

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#DonTheStash

Media speaking, it's completely true.

Look back at at:

Marngrook
TFS Thur & Sun
Before the game

Commentators, analysts and (so-called) experts all tipped the dogs, Richmond & Essendon* to win. There was division with a couple saying carlton would beat the dogs, but the consensus with our team of kids was that the dogs would win.

... yeah I'm tired of alotta things too. Still no excuse to act like an uptight goose.

Why am I uptight? How would you know? How do you know I am over the top?

Maybe I find it laughable?

Maybe I'm just sitting behind a desk chuckling away?

No matter what you cant honestly tell.

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Big assumptions to make in less than two months of posting...

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

You don't need more than two months to come to that conclusion.

Sorry, I thought when you said "Not one person in football gave us a chance with the team we trotted out against the dogs, Richmond & Essendon*. Every expert & analysts, said we'd get drilled by 5-7 goals"... you were talking about experts... people in football. It turns out you were talking about the Marngrook footy show, and Ch 9's Footy Show, and some stand-up comics on BFG

Funnily enough, the bookmakers thought differently. And a 10 second google search shows that afl.com.au tipped us to beat Essendon*. I'm not exactly sure that "not one person in football gave us a chance..." is true.

But I'll give you that Billy Brownless and the Marngrook boys didn't think we'd win. So they're the 'experts' we defer to are they? As BT would say "OH BOY - WOWEE!!"

Don't forget these shows, although maybe not up to your lofty standard of footy knowledge, always have current players on their panel who tipped against us. Considering these are current players/ stars it gives them more of an inside track then anyone here.

Essendon* was the only one we were the bookies favourite for, and even here (@TC) it sparked some curious reactions and debate as how that could be.

Competitve at times, yes I'll give you that ... however.

Sydney - Premiers 2005. Previous flag 1933. Long wait.
Filth -- Premiers 2010. Previous flag 1990. Long wait.
Adelaide ... Previous flag 1998. Still waiting for a flag this millienium.
St. Kilda ... 1966 and still waiting.
Geelong ... built a dynasty, (3 flags), but had been waiting since 1963.
Hawthorn ... 2008 ... Previous flag 1991. Long wait.
WC .... 2006 .. Previous flag 1992. Long wait.

So we're 1995 and still waiting. Thing to take into account though is by early 2000's we'd run our list down signicantly. Then we got raped in the draft. It's going to take time.

I'd doubt we'll ever see another run like ours where we could simply buy "the best". Times have changed. We need to build and be patient. We've been hovering around the base of eight with what was the youngest, least experienced team in the comp. Injuries have derailed us a bit this year that's all. Prior to 2012 we'd been steadily climbing.

The great upside of 2012 is that we've unearthed a few kids who look like becoming the next "layer" of players. We probably needed to do this to make the next step. Premiership teams always seem to have a good mix of talent at each age group.

You know, outside the the central question on these forums (you know, 'bad Ratts' vs 'good Ratts', dysfunctional board vs board with odds stacked against them) in the last month or so, other theories about football and the club have taken some funny turns. Both 'sides' have softened on things and have used some of the same kinds of arguments to suit their case.

At the end of the day, I'd rather a coach come out with some home truths and make a bold statement of intent. From the outside, that means more to me than a clash of personalities.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Where do i start with this flawed text.

These are sides that have been thereabouts for a decade..

STkilda have made prelims and 2 gfs when everyone thought they were gone.
Sydney won one and dropped abit and are back up there.
WC made a prelim after a spoon.
Collingwood won a flag and made a GF
Hawthorn prelims and a flag.
Geelong enough said...

Carlton... one eliminational finals victory and hoping to get home finals....

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What flawed text Synners? I told you I conceded the point about being those teams being "competitive at times".

John's original post discussed achieving "success". Perhaps that's where our difference of opinion lays? St.Kilda for example have been a lot more competitive than us the past decade, but have they been successful? Not in my book. No flags = No success.

In the modern era, IMO, success requires patience. None of those teams you listed bottomed out anywhere near as badly as we did.

My point is still that none of these teams achieved success quickly and neither will we.

It's about perception really. Collingwood to some are the most successful in the modern era because they have been able to build a huge supporter base and develop a business model that will set them up for decades. If its about a business and money, which I hear many on this site sprout, then they have it hands down.

Well... Collingwood has also won a flag during my teenage children's lifetime, and our last one was before they were born. So that kind of thing sorta puts them ahead of us too, really.

It's fair enough to defend our club. But for anyone to suggest that collingwood somehow isn't doing things in a way that other clubs would aspire to, it's just crazy. In what way is huge membership, big sponsorships, 17 games a year at the MCG, a very recent premiership and massive media coverage something to scoff at??

Maybe if you're Geelong you can. But we can't. In every single measure, they're ahead of us. Unfortunately.

17 games at the G a year.

I would love that for us.

something like 10 straight at the end of 2010. still ballsed it up on grand final day

No need to scoff at that ... not when they've presented so many finals stuff ups for our amusement.