Brendan Fevola suspension discussion

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:16 pm

Fire up Cazzesman! :-D

Well said too.

If Fev was pulling his weight and leading by example there is no chance in hell we'd even consider trading him.

I was gobsmacked at Elwood's suggestion to be honest. I didn't think I'd read something like that from him. :shock:

bondiblue · **Posted:** Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:18 pm

showbag wrote

Quote:

gee ... there's a forward line that will currently pose fear into the minds and hearts of the other 15 clubs

Take it easy on them showbag; they're still kids. Remember Fev was a kid too, and he did his apprenticeship, got his body and kicking right and became a star at 25.

The point is, there is upside with the players we have on our list. Just imagine them in 3 years time and the years beyond.

We kisked some big scores without Fev contributing over the last month. It hasn't been our forwardline that has let us down.

Did you happen to notice Ackland wasn't named in the forwardline?

Did you notice Fev wasn't there?

Fev is not the entire puzzle, Fev is a position; it's a team game.

With or without Fev, we'll be right. If he stays, and is a committed Carlton man, then bonus! :wink:

Taff · **Posted:** Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:24 pm

bondiblue wrote:

Generation Y...............there's the problem.

I don't think Fev can change...much. Fev is Fev. Forget about the heart on the sleeve stuff, we know that part, but IMHO Fev acts like a spoilt brat.

I love him, he's exciting, he's amusing, he's childlike, he's our star (atm)...but I love the club more. If a good deal for the club can be achieved, then it's a good deal for the club. When Fev is gone, old and retired, Carlton will always be "The One Constant in My Life" (Deano quote) I'm not going to worry about it too much in 10 years time; whatever happens.

Whatever was done was done. It seems that Swanny is playing his cards, but I bet he would have calculated the fallout of his strategy. Who knows, maybe it's working the way he planned.

So what does Fev want?

He wants to play footy.
He wants to be the centre of attention.
He wants to kick the goals.
He wants to show off his talent.
He's a performer and wants to perform.
He loves the attention.
He wants to be the centre of attention.

The result...a BIG pay cheque, his ego is stroked, he'll strut in a cocky manner, but when things don't go his way, he'll sook like a child.

Basically, he's a generation Y product...it's all about me (Fev)! These types of people need guidelines to follow, they need to be corralled, and give them too much rope and they tend to hang themselves. Fev is Fev, he must play within the club's guidelines, but Fev being Fev, he isn't going to play the club's rules; result... it's over.

So what do you think Fev is going to do?

He's contractually tied to Carlton for 2007 and 2008, so he's stuck with them unless he can get a trade that serves him; remember he has to agree to the trade too, it's not just a Carlton decision.

It's on the cards that he will come back and play footy in 2007 on the club's terms! He's got too much to lose if he doesn't. Sure he might play naught till the end of 2008 if Carlton don't play his game and vice versa.

If he doesn't conform to the club's expectations:

He wont play footy
He wont kick goals
He'll be one year older next year, (and 28 in 2009).
His ego will suffer
His value will depreciate.
He'll be sad and lonely
He wont be stroked

What have Carlton got to lose?

Fev chooses to stay out of the game till the end of his contract (if an amicable trade isn't sorted at the end of the 2007 trade period), and lose him in the PSD at the end of 2008 (I doubt this would happen because Fev has too much to lose with this choice); but it's possible.

or,

I believe Fev will choose to play in 2007 and try to do the right things by the club, (but really for himself), and he'll play for the club till his contract expires (end 2008), unless traded earlier. If not and Fev continues to play till the end of 2008, and it's then that Fev has the option to walk. It's his call. If Fev walks at the end of 2008, Carlton gets nothing.

I know why Fev would playby the rules (if he can) in 2007 and 2008, but why would Fev want to stay beyond 2008?

New coach.
New found game plan and winning culture.
Super $M contract.
Alec threatens to leave him if he walks from the $M.
His restaurant is in Melb, and his optional club is lets say Perth

That's all speculation that that will happen; Pagan may still be there. :roll:

Regardless, there will still be bitterness towards the club.

If this week leaves a bitter taste in his mouth, as I expect from a generation Y product, there would be, I'd say that if he can't go to the club of his choice, or to a club that really really wants him (loved again...and he can scream in the corridor with reference to the new coach..."he loves me") he'll walk at the end of 2008 and Carlton gets nothing. He's got too much to lose to just sit out footy, and how else can he get Carlton back (if he wants to be vindictive, and he has reasons to be) for this embarrassing indelible stain (his view) the club had tarnished him with.

A trade is the best result for CFC; too much damage seems to have be done this week to an already strained relationship. The hurt isn't going to go away, and both parties have too much to lose either way.

The writing is on the wall, a line in the sand has been marked, and the club is prepared to lose him and shop him around....Fev being Fev isn't loved anymore at the club as he once was, because now, the Club comes first.

I expect a good outcome. I will miss him if he is traded, but if we get a great ruckman....and a great midfielder for him....well I'm in!

PS: If we're regrouping for the next flag, and lets say, we get to our first GF in 2010, Fev will be 29. We may not win that one in our first attempt, but there will be more, but I don't think Fev will be kicking 80 goals a season as a 30yo at 191 cm. I believe he'll lose his spring, his pace and perhaps the distance he is capable of kicking as a 26yo by then, and therefore his strengths and qualities we love about him in 2007.

We have options, and will have even better options come 2010. ATM we have:

HF: Fisher (23) Hartlett (20) Waite (24)
F: Grigg (19) Kennedy (20) Betts (20)

there will be others coming to put pressure on the above in 2008, 2009 and 2010.

Either way in 2017, I wont be thinking about 2007 very much.

Between Cazz, Frank and Bondi sanity prevails!

Electric Blue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am **Posts:** 10076

this is rambling....

bluebeard · **Posted:** Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:33 pm

bondiblue wrote:

showbag wrote

Quote:

gee ... there's a forward line that will currently pose fear into the minds and hearts of the other 15 clubs

Take it easy on them showbag; they're still kids. Remember Fev was a kid too, and he did his apprenticeship, got his body and kicking right and became a star at 25.

The point is, there is upside with the players we have on our list. Just imagine them in 3 years time and the years beyond.

We kisked some big scores without Fev contributing over the last month. It hasn't been our forwardline that has let us down.

Did you happen to notice Ackland wasn't named in the forwardline?

Did you notice Fev wasn't there?

Fev is not the entire puzzle, Fev is a position; it's a team game.

With or without Fev, we'll be right. If he stays, and is a committed Carlton man, then bonus! :wink:

Absolutely.

It is well documented that not only good teams win premierships, but great defences win premierships.

Fev and the other forwards may strike fear into the opposition in years to come but our defence certainly doesnt.

We need some good defenders as much as we need a ruckman.

T-Bird is awefully lonely down there.

bluedog · **Posted:** Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:38 pm

Just for something different.

BRENDAN FEVOLA is an anagram of ALAN BOND FEVER.

Might explain his attitude while in WA.

MRPOW (Most Ridiculous post of the week). :wink:

showbag · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 2662

bondiblue wrote:

showbag wrote

Quote:

gee ... there's a forward line that will currently pose fear into the minds and hearts of the other 15 clubs

Take it easy on them showbag; they're still kids. Remember Fev was a kid too, and he did his apprenticeship, got his body and kicking right and became a star at 25.

The point is, there is upside with the players we have on our list. Just imagine them in 3 years time and the years beyond.

We kisked some big scores without Fev contributing over the last month. It hasn't been our forwardline that has let us down.

Did you happen to notice Ackland wasn't named in the forwardline?

Did you notice Fev wasn't there?

Fev is not the entire puzzle, Fev is a position; it's a team game.

With or without Fev, we'll be right. If he stays, and is a committed Carlton man, then bonus! :wink:

i like all of those players, but it isn't currently that emposing and i can imagine players running of kennedy, hartlett, fisher, waite relatively easily. Without Fev there we look a lot more brittle, and will rely on the midfield for a lot of goals. If we get rid of Fev and 'rebuild' after 5-6 years of being down the bottom already, we will continue to be an unattractive club for players to want to come to and a difficult club for people to support as many are sick of the pain.
If our matchwinner in Fev goes i reckon we will drop close to 10,000 memberships - because with him will go a large dose of supporters hope. That will be a hard pill to swallow after a record membership year.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

Cazzesman wrote:

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

frank dardew wrote:

I thought the Club handled this masterfully for a number of reasons :
They have quietly tried to get Fev TO PULL his head in and he hasnt
They showed real strength with a star player whereas other clubs either cant or wont and dont look ridiculous like the spinmeisters at the Carringbush and West Coast
They tapped into public/ opinion beautifully as the talkback airwaves were full of discussion of fevolas behaviour on sunday and monday
They have shown the other players that no one is indispensable or above the club
They have shown Fev that he is not indispensable
They have put the onus publically on Fev as to what he wants to do in the future ie knuckle down and be part of the team or go somewhere else
They have advertised publicly that Fev could be trade bait in October and others have already signalled interest

Now can I SAY THAT I have always been a huge Hollywood Fevola supporter even when Brittain was trying to ice him years ago .I HOPE THAT he goes away and thinks about it and comes back and wants to play good football for Carlton.However he needs to commit ,the club has supported him strongly through the dry cleaning incident ,other somewhat incidents and the Irish incident in the off season .He owes the club and supporters big time .
Sadly if he cant or wont commit then lets have the greatest dutch auction we can in respect to a trade in October

Appreciate your opinion Frank as always but cant agree with you on this one......I think it has been poorly handled with other agendas being the issue. I dont find advertising Fev for sale being appropriate at this time of the year... as was suggested its all about chasing other players like Judd, Dal Santo etc ...
I think supporters on the whole would be dissapointed to see him leave especially if the real reason was to use him as trade bait only.
It almost like the club wanted him to go off the rails again...

FFS Elwood, do me a favor :shock:

......".It almost like the club wanted him to go off the rails again"..

Get a grip son. Get a Flowering grip. There is no massive conspiracy as you and Synbad seem to think. Fev has bitten the hand that feeds him 5 times too many and he has been sent away to have a good hard look in the mirror.

Do you honestly think that if Fev was showing solid leadership on and off the field that with his natural footy skills CFC would want to get rid of him.

You may have a short memory but let me remind you Pagan bought him back from extinction. He was GAWN until Pagan arrived. Pagan has stuck up for him more times then any of you will ever know.

Pagan wants 'A' grade players like every coach does and Fev is an 'A' grade. Paqan made him an 'A' grade player. Pagan got in his head when he arrived and has been beside him encouraging every step of the way like a great father. They have a great relationship.

But like all great fathers there is only so much he can do. To take the next step with a child you eventually have to let the kid stand on his own two feet and show he is mature and sensible enough to carry-on alone.

Did you miss the bit about the rest of the leadership group taking a vote on who should replace Whits as Capt. Out of 4 possibles Fev finished last. What does that tell you. Open your eyes and ears. His peers voted him last. In other words there were 3 other players they would rather have lead CFC than Fev. That's not Pagan or Swann that's his flowering peers making that call. And how did he react to the vote ??? You don't have to be Einstein to work out the answer on current form.

Fev only remains an 'A' grade player WHEN.....and I say again.....WHEN.....he grows up, takes responsibility for his own actions and is switched on 24/7. Not by acting like a 13 yr old who has been told off by his mum because he has to clean his room instead of being allowed to go out and play.

Of course Carlton need him back as an 'A' grade player but if he won't and/or can't change his attitude to the Coaching staff and his peers then he and CFC is better of making other arrangements.

Regards Cazzesman

So you are denying he isnt trade bait for the likes of Judd or Dal Santo?....and that comes after the club tried to trade him to Richmond last contract period ...Greg Miller confirmed that deal fell through on SEN because the asking price was too high.....
Why wouldnt I think its just another repeat of that ludicrous scenerio.....especially with another messiah like Judd as the prize.
What else are we going to trade?...Murphy, Gibbs...dont think so.....

This is the same club that made a huge offer for Matthew Richardson and you wonder why supporters question the motives of the powers at be who run the club.......when the club can convince me that they know what they are doing then I will have faith.....

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

It's quite interesting reading all the discussion on here. Let me summarise...

There seems to be 3 general schools of thought:

1. Those who think that Fev has been victimised. Interesting group, who argue that the whole Fev thing has been overrated, that it is a Pagan smoke screen, that it's Pagan's fault, or because of Pagan's game plan, or anything else really other than Fev's fault.

Most of the people who believe this seem to be overlooking anything and everything in defense of Fev (admirable, but not necessarily correct or useful). There is a medical concept that identifies two brain processes, the thinker and the prover. The thinker is the part of the brain that thinks about things, the prover is the part that proves things. The concept says, "What the thinker thinks. the prover proves".

What that is saying is that whatever the thinking part of our brain thinks, the proving part of our brain will find a way to prove. It will identify / focus on / magnify any evidence to support that thought, and conveniently ignore / overlook / downplay anything that contadicts that thought, or even proves it wrong. It is a powerful game that our brains play. It is the very reason why there are people in the world who sostrongly and vehimently believe things that others raise their eyebrows at and consider those people to be deluded. It can create dictators, and other dangerous individuals, conflicts, and even wars.

Those defending Fevola right now seem to be doing this. The whole football world knows that Fevola is one of the most undisciplined players in the competition, that he has a penchant for petulance, childishness, selfishness and dummy spitting. We as Carlton supporters have been putting up with it for years...how many games have I been to over the last 7 or 8 years where Fev has been booed by his own supporters for lack of effort or discipline?

We can all real off the events, one after another. I know many Carlton supporters, and many who have been members for 30, 40, 50 and even 60 years, who think that Fev is a joke, and the only reason they put up with him in a Carlton jumper is because he is such a supremely talented player, and sometimes displays that talent.

I argued strongly after the Irish incident that Fev needed to be held accountable for his actions, and that he wasn't being victimised by the media. I seemed to be in a minority. It was another case of Fev being allowed to get away with COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR. And maybe we are now seeing a repercussion of that refusal to make him accountable back then.

What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. The people who are in the 'defend Fev' school are being almost fasciest in their defence of Fev, IMHO.

2. The Synbad school, that says that Fev deserves sanction, but that the Club has gone about it the wrong way. Personally, I disagree, but I respect that view, and can see the argument. I believe that the Club, which has lacked strength and discpline for so long, has made a statment to the players, the Club, the other 15 clubs, and the entire football community, that CFC will no longer accept selfishness and lack of discilpine. For that I applaud them.

The Club has also made a statement that Fev is potentially on the market, at the right price. The ball is in our court, we have the upper hand, as he is under contract. But if someone out there is interested (and clearly plenty are), then give us your best offer and we will see. And it has done so at a time, and in a manner, that keeps Fev's currency high.

As for the Club being a laughing stock, and there being mass confusion about the incident, I disagree. Yes, there is much discussion and angst on here, but out there in the real world, in radio and newspaper and TV land, the discussion by almost all (other than a few disgruntled Carlton supporters) is that the Club has been professional, made a stand, and will either get a remorseful and more focused Fev back, or get a good trade for him.

3. The final school is those who advocate a potential trade for Fev. But it is interesting the way this group differs from the first group. Almost universally, this group is saying, "If we were sure that Fev would come back with a better attitude, with a team focus, and in a mindset that would allow him to play the kind of football that we know he is capable of and all want him to play, THEN WE WANT FEV TO STAY". There is almost no doubt that that is what we all want.

However, there are many on here (myself among them) that simply have no confidence that this will happen. Certainly, his 26 years give us no indication that he will be able to do this for more than a short period of time, before falling into very old, and very deeply ingrained habits. And if this happens, and he is not playing good football because of it, his currency will have plunged, because he will be out of contract and in a position to walk, he will be a year older, and he will have more baggage than currently that other clubs will be wary of. And if that eventuates, and it is not unlikely, who suffers? The Carlton Football Club suffers. And we are all bloody sick and tired of suffering.

The people who subscribe to this school of thought are actually being very pragmatic and felxible. They are saying that they would love Fev to come back in the right headspace, keep that headspace, and play bloody good footy consistently, and march with us to a Flag.

But given that there is huge doubt about his ability to do that, we have to look at what is the best option for CFC, and that just might be to trade Fev for equivalent talent, but that is more reliable and give is greater leadership.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

camelboy wrote:

Fire up Cazzesman! :-D

Well said too.

If Fev was pulling his weight and leading by example there is no chance in hell we'd even consider trading him.

I was gobsmacked at Elwood's suggestion to be honest. I didn't think I'd read something like that from him. :shock:

Ring Greg Miller.........

exsing · **Posted:** Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:53 pm

Siegfried wrote:

It's quite interesting reading all the discussion on here. Let me summarise...

There seems to be 3 general schools of thought:

1. Those who think that Fev has been victimised. Interesting group, who argue that the whole Fev thing has been overrated, that it is a Pagan smoke screen, that it's Pagan's fault, or because of Pagan's game plan, or anything else really other than Fev's fault.

Most of the people who believe this seem to be overlooking anything and everything in defense of Fev (admirable, but not necessarily correct or useful). There is a medical concept that identifies two brain processes, the thinker and the prover. The thinker is the part of the brain that thinks about things, the prover is the part that proves things. The concept says, "What the thinker thinks. the prover proves".

What that is saying is that whatever the thinking part of our brain thinks, the proving part of our brain will find a way to prove. It will identify / focus on / magnify any evidence to support that thought, and conveniently ignore / overlook / downplay anything that contadicts that thought, or even proves it wrong. It is a powerful game that our brains play. It is the very reason why there are people in the world who sostrongly and vehimently believe things that others raise their eyebrows at and consider those people to be deluded. It can create dictators, and other dangerous individuals, conflicts, and even wars.

Those defending Fevola right now seem to be doing this. The whole football world knows that Fevola is one of the most undisciplined players in the competition, that he has a penchant for petulance, childishness, selfishness and dummy spitting. We as Carlton supporters have been putting up with it for years...how many games have I been to over the last 7 or 8 years where Fev has been booed by his own supporters for lack of effort or discipline?

We can all real off the events, one after another. I know many Carlton supporters, and many who have been members for 30, 40, 50 and even 60 years, who think that Fev is a joke, and the only reason they put up with him in a Carlton jumper is because he is such a supremely talented player, and sometimes displays that talent.

I argued strongly after the Irish incident that Fev needed to be held accountable for his actions, and that he wasn't being victimised by the media. I seemed to be in a minority. It was another case of Fev being allowed to get away with COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR. And maybe we are now seeing a repercussion of that refusal to make him accountable back then.

What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. The people who are in the 'defend Fev' school are being almost fasciest in their defence of Fev, IMHO.

2. The Synbad school, that says that Fev deserves sanction, but that the Club has gone about it the wrong way. Personally, I disagree, but I respect that view, and can see the argument. I believe that the Club, which has lacked strength and discpline for so long, has made a statment to the players, the Club, the other 15 clubs, and the entire football community, that CFC will no longer accept selfishness and lack of discilpine. For that I applaud them.

The Club has also made a statement that Fev is potentially on the market, at the right price. The ball is in our court, we have the upper hand, as he is under contract. But if someone out there is interested (and clearly plenty are), then give us your best offer and we will see. And it has done so at a time, and in a manner, that keeps Fev's currency high.

As for the Club being a laughing stock, and there being mass confusion about the incident, I disagree. Yes, there is much discussion and angst on here, but out there in the real world, in radio and newspaper and TV land, the discussion by almost all (other than a few disgruntled Carlton supporters) is that the Club has been professional, made a stand, and will either get a remorseful and more focused Fev back, or get a good trade for him.

3. The final school is those who advocate a potential trade for Fev. But it is interesting the way this group differs from the first group. Almost universally, this group is saying, "If we were sure that Fev would come back with a better attitude, with a team focus, and in a mindset that would allow him to play the kind of football that we know he is capable of and all want him to play, THEN WE WANT FEV TO STAY". There is almost no doubt that that is what we all want.

However, there are many on here (myself among them) that simply have no confidence that this will happen. Certainly, his 26 years give us no indication that he will be able to do this for more than a short period of time, before falling into very old, and very deeply ingrained habits. And if this happens, and he is not playing good football because of it, his currency will have plunged, because he will be out of contract and in a position to walk, he will be a year older, and he will have more baggage than currently that other clubs will be wary of. And if that eventuates, and it is not unlikely, who suffers? The Carlton Football Club suffers. And we are all bloody sick and tired of suffering.

The people who subscribe to this school of thought are actually being very pragmatic and felxible. They are saying that they would love Fev to come back in the right headspace, keep that headspace, and play bloody good footy consistently, and march with us to a Flag.

But given that there is huge doubt about his ability to do that, we have to look at what is the best option for CFC, and that just might be to trade Fev for equivalent talent, but that is more reliable and give is greater leadership.

Welll surmised Siegfried...something tells me you have done psychology or something similar... :lol:

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

Something like that exsing...I'll keep my cards close to my chest for now :lol:

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

Nice one Siegfried, you would have been very successful writing for Mao. :wink:

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

Jarusa wrote:

Nice one Siegfried, you would have been very successful writing for Mao. :wink:

Damn...born 60 years too late :wink:

showbag · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 2662

what about the fourth group of people who have wanted Fev gone at any cost and hide it behind a bunch of psuedo-intellectual psycho babble in an attempt to give their post extra weight?

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:11 pm

Kick some arse Caz.

Unless you are in the inner sanctum like Caz is, you don't know what you are talking about and don;t assume there is a conspiracy plot behind everything that is going on.

If Fev pops up on The Footy Show tomorrow night with an exclusive for that short little man that works for them with no neck, I will go ballistic.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

DownUnderChick wrote:

Unless you are in the inner sanctum like Caz is, you don't know what you are talking about and don;t assume there is a conspiracy plot behind everything that is going on.

Shut the damn forum down then if personal opinion is not allowed... fair dinkum :garthp:

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

showbag wrote:

what about the fourth group of people who have wanted Fev gone at any cost and hide it behind a bunch of psuedo-intellectual psycho babble in an attempt to give their post extra weight?

I can only assume you are referring to me Showbag.

I will state my preferences loud and clear, in very simple English.

I do not want Fev gone 'at any cost'. I would absolutely and categorically refuse any trade that does not give us the value that equates to trading Fev.

My preference is actually to have Brendan Fevola playing great football for the next 6 years with Carlton, and being an leader on and off the field. The problem is, we simply do not know whether he is capable of that.

Therefore, if we were to be offered a trade that provided us with value in terms of talent, or what we perceive to be potential talent, that is equal to or better than Fev, with greater reliability and leadership, then I think it is too risky not to go down that path, given the uncertainty in how Fev will be in coming years.

Let me ask a question for all those who think that Fev is being harshly done by...

Can any of you tell me what Brendan Fevola is going to be like in 2008? Or 2009? Or 2010? Can any of you tell me what his attitude will be like then? Can any of you tell me whether he will still be unreliable, still be selfish, still be causing angst?

The answer, quite simply, is no. None of us know. Because Brendan Fevola has NEVER been able to get his act together for more than 9 months, so there is NO evidence that he will be able to.

That doesn't mean he won't get his act together and be a star for the next 6 years and lead us to a flag. He may. But we just don't know. Therefore, IMHO, the best thing that the Club can do is see if it can get a trade that is good for CFC, so that we know the kind of effort and input that we will get from our players.

Otherwise, there is a reasonable chance that this behaviour will continue (again, it may not, but we don't know, and the EVIDENCE to date suggests that his current behaviour is more likely than not to continue), and we will have missed our chance to get value for a trade.

I don't believe we are in a position to take that risk, IF a suitable trade that benefits CFC is on the table.

If a suitable trade is not in the offing, then we have no choice but to take that risk, and we go forwards with fingers crossed.

I hope that's clear enough.

Taff · **Posted:** Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:27 pm

showbag wrote:

what about the fourth group of people who have wanted Fev gone at any cost and hide it behind a bunch of psuedo-intellectual psycho babble in an attempt to give their post extra weight?

If you don't understand it, don't disparage it .

showbag · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 2662

Siegfried wrote:

showbag wrote:

what about the fourth group of people who have wanted Fev gone at any cost and hide it behind a bunch of psuedo-intellectual psycho babble in an attempt to give their post extra weight?

I can only assume you are referring to me Showbag.

I will state my preferences loud and clear, in very simple English.

I do not want Fev gone 'at any cost'. I would absolutely and categorically refuse any trade that does not give us the value that equates to trading Fev.

My preference is actually to have Brendan Fevola playing great football for the next 6 years with Carlton, and being an leader on and off the field. The problem is, we simply do not know whether he is capable of that.

Therefore, if we were to be offered a trade that provided us with value in terms of talent, or what we perceive to be potential talent, that is equal to or better than Fev, with greater reliability and leadership, then I think it is too risky not to go down that path, given the uncertainty in how Fev will be in coming years.

Let me ask a question for all those who think that Fev is being harshly done by...

Can any of you tell me what Brendan Fevola is going to be like in 2008? Or 2009? Or 2010? Can any of you tell me what his attitude will be like then? Can any of you tell me whether he will still be unreliable, still be selfish, still be causing angst?

The answer, quite simply, is no. None of us know. Because Brendan Fevola has NEVER been able to get his act together for more than 9 months, so there is NO evidence that he will be able to.

That doesn't mean he won't get his act together and be a star for the next 6 years and lead us to a flag. He may. But we just don't know. Therefore, IMHO, the best thing that the Club can do is see if it can get a trade that is good for CFC, so that we know the kind of effort and input that we will get from our players.

Otherwise, there is a reasonable chance that this behaviour will continue (again, it may not, but we don't know, and the EVIDENCE to date suggests that his current behaviour is more likely than not to continue), and we will have missed our chance to get value for a trade.

I don't believe we are in a position to take that risk, IF a suitable trade that benefits CFC is on the table.

If a suitable trade is not in the offing, then we have no choice but to take that risk, and we go forwards with fingers crossed.

I hope that's clear enough.

i was referring to you (but with my tongue firmly in cheek) ... and your other post wasn't unclear at all (although i did think it was a bit over the top).

There is no doubt i am a massive Fev fan, but i'll admit to watching the game on Saturday i thought to myself 'this could well be the end of Brendan at Carlton'. I knew those who want to follow the Hawthorn model would be on it like a seagull to a hot chip ...

I just don't feel that we are in a position to get rid of Fev without setting our club backwards a few years. I consider them years we don't have as we have already languished down the bottom for 5 years and people will be certain to jump off if we don't have our favourite player and marketing tool.

I am pretty sure that even in his worst year Fev will contribute 50+ goals (a similar amount to Nathan Thompson in his best years)... i'd be happy to take that as a worst case scenario.

I'd take the PP this year for sure as a reward as a 'freebie' for not winning games, but i'm not prepared to trade a proven matchwinner for the 'potential' that is in the draft (ie. i doubt that Kennedy - as much as i like what i see/hear of him - will ever be the player that Fev is and he was pick 4).

Won't it be interesting if we win this week from dropping the 'bad influence' that is Fev, and as a result we have to trade him to regain the early draft pick that his ommision 'lost' us. ... i wonder what Alanis Morrisette thinks of that ...

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