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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:48 pm 
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I'm simply not expert enough to know of his coaching flaws.

But I'm still confident in saying that our loss will be another team's gain. :sad:

The thought of him doing great things at another club is what burns me as well...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:49 pm 
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I feel for Bolts, he is a decent guy and I am sure that the players love him, but at the end of the day, results speak. I just hope that somehow the club doesn't repeat the last few outcomes and gets another also ran coach. Let's face it, Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse and now Bolts have not been successful. God help us if Scott or Voss are in the frame, we need better than that, otherwise we would just be committing the sins of the past, definition of insanity and all. The Age was brutal today, but telling to some extent ... "not a proven club coach, not a club great, not even an AFL player". None of that is a prerequisite for an AFL coach, but it sure as hell helps. It is a brutal sideshow, the buck stops with the coach even if the list managers and other support staff over whom the coach has little control, are hopeless. Bolts has probably put the club in a better position than when he started in terms of potential, I just hope we can hang on to the likes of Cripps and other young players so they can develop to their potential, which they have.
I am concerned about the last few weeks, something's not been right and maybe we'll never know what that is. I wish Teague all the best, he will probably get some rebound results and a win or three, which will help team morale, just not sure if its in the long term interest. I am a 24 continuous year member and a member on and off for 10 years before that. I bleed blue, I went to the '79, '86, '87 and '95 GF's, I want to see the club be successful. Go Blues!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:49 pm 
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I' m not assuming we'll win any games. I just know Bolts was no longer the man. As for Crippa being devastated, really? I must have been watching different footage. Both he and Doc showed respect but I thought they looked relieved. If you don't think they were consulted at some stage about this I reckon you are nutsy unicorns.
The club is moving forward.
Plenty to get excited about.
Cripps didn't look relieved to me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:51 pm 
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For those in the know (and it's probably been answered here before), what role did BB have in selecting the assistants with whom he worked?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:54 pm 
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The club went through the right process to appoint him. At the time, he had come from the right club playing the right structures with the stamp from his previous employer. Someone who could develop as a coach as the group developed. When interviewed I am certain he would have impressed. Just look at today.

As the young players were been brought in since the 2015 draft, I think he did a good job of creating an enjoyable environment for them to settle into. The general feel for me from the outside and based on player retention and contract extensions was that he seem to at the very least create a galvanised group prepared to play for each other. A place they wanted to stay and build something. There was no more smell of the rot of the Malthouse years.

What failed to happen in my opinion is the development of his coaching ability. He had an excuse last year, but with enough talent available through the first half this year he couldn’t pinch the wins needed to keep the belief in either his own development or the teams.

I think it was the right thing to do when he was appointed. I think today was the right thing to do. It hasn’t worked out, not through effort, but perhaps because of ability. We just haven’t shown what other teams (Cats, Tigers, Pies) have shown when they spared their coaches. It happens.

I look forward to who can bring the best out of the playing group, which I still think is dripping with talent. Someone please harness it and ride it home.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:07 pm 
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mjs wrote:
I feel for Bolts, he is a decent guy and I am sure that the players love him...



So was it their lack of skill, physicality, desire, adherence to game plan, (or the game plan itself), or a combination of some or all of these things which resulted in not only the large number of losses, but many less than ordinary efforts over the last few years?



Personally, I'd say a combo of all of these, but I sure hope I'm wrong about lack of desire.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:10 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
I' m not assuming we'll win any games. I just know Bolts was no longer the man. As for Crippa being devastated, really? I must have been watching different footage. Both he and Doc showed respect but I thought they looked relieved. If you don't think they were consulted at some stage about this I reckon you are nutsy unicorns.
The club is moving forward.
Plenty to get excited about.


Wasn't this the whole reason you wanted BB sacked, to win games?

Then you probably need to re-watch it if you don't think both him and Doc were effected.

Maybe Crippa did know before Sunday and was the reason he got outplayed by a kid. This week will be telling for all the team with their response from this and what effect it really has.

At the moment I don't feel your positivity that we are moving forward, no more than if BB was still coach. Especially seeing the replacement options we have available for this point in our development, unless we can get Clarkson.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:11 pm 
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BTW, if BB arrives at Brisbane, I wouldn't mind catching up with him to chat about motivation! Reckon I could learn a fair bit from BB that I could utilise in my job.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:17 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:

This week will be telling for all the team with their response from this and what effect it really has.





Yes, but what would a great performance this week actually mean?

That BB wasn't the right man?


Or, as difficult as it is to imagine, could the players be so deflated with BB's sakcing that they are flatter than ever?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:23 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
BTW, if BB arrives at Brisbane, I wouldn't mind catching up with him to chat about motivation! Reckon I could learn a fair bit from BB that I could utilise in my job.


I certainly think that is a strength of his. Unfortunately, he needed more than that come game day.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:43 pm 
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Personally, I’m embarrassed and mostly disappointed by the decision of the club today as it wreaks of “old Carlton” and I feel we are once again taking a step backwards to “allegedly” go forwards.

How can the board hold its head up when they are the one’s that made the decision to hire an assistant coach as head coach that has had no AFL playing experience. Then change 56 players in 3 years, remove pretty much all experienced players from our list and decimate our midfield fully knowing the new rule changes with runners and the need for experience. And as the final straw of incompetence and lack of proving we have changed at the top they chose to publicly sack a decent bloke rather than give him the opportunity to walk away like Brad Scott. A smarter decision would have been getting in another Neil Craig for him not a geriatric Walls that the game has passed by.

Some on here might think this is good for the club and I get the need for wins, but what if Teague doesn’t get any more wins for the year and we are no better off (which is most likely as he has done wonders for our forwards thus far), then what…sack everyone? To me this is a sad day and another blight on our once great club.

And my greatest fear is that we start loosing good kids like Crippa (even though OR thinks he’ll stay), you could see clearly how devastated he was losing his mentor in the presser. We better hope BB doesn’t move west as an assistant. And I’m pretty sure there will be more kids in the same boat questioning our club, contracted or not. And what about Andrew Russel who came across most likely for BB.

Let’s just hope I’m wrong with the above and things change, otherwise you can forget us attracting any A grade midfield talent at the end of the year and then we are still on the same journey as Mark has conveniently pointed out in the presser and no better off.

If any one has questioned the integrity and passion Bolton has for our club and the players, then tell me what sacked coach would sit through 20min of that uninspiring and sometimes contradicting dribble by Mark and Cain.

Let’s just hope the powers to be don’t hire Brad Scott because to me this is another Malthouse decision. And if they do, I will still follow the club but I will not be renewing any of the memberships in my house.

Good luck Bolts on your new future and please don’t take too many players or flog us too much at what ever club you go to.




maybe the mens side should fold effective immediately?

Can't have this complete rabble creating a culture of losing and dragging down our Grand Finalist girls with them.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:54 am 
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I'm sad too....

that's because i feel Bolts did the absolute
best he could do with us...and you just
know he's a good human...!

i say thank you to him too...he took the kids
through a very difficult stage of their
development...and a horrible period of the
Carlton Football Club history...!

a club that for anyone over the age of
35...(give or take 5 years)....or especially over
45...has come to represent a close family
member...!

(i'm not ignoring those younger...i know
you're hurting too...just trying to get
somewhere sorry)...!

a family member most of us have known
since we were born...others introduced
not very long after...but the beautiful thing is...
almost always by a family member...!

that's why CFC is that grandfather...grandmother...
father...mother...brother...sister...uncle...
aunty...cousin...who did things that made US
so happy...so proud...!

you know the one...when they arrived at a family
gathering...the party got started...!

when you walked down the street with them...
you wanted everyone to know...yeah that's right...
i'm with them...!

no one EVER pointed or made wise cracks
about them...!



(look...i'm CLEARLY aware i'm rambling a
tad...just in case you think i'm nuts...but i've
been taken by the rip...so i've had to go
all the way out before i can come back in again...
nearly there.........pretty sure)...!



people wouldn't say it...but they WISHED
they had a relative like yours...one that
brought such joy to anyone that had the
pleasure to meet them...!

they would be jealous of those parties that
happened ALL to often at your house...!

they could only imagine what a happy family
looked like...!

Carlton Football Club is that member...it's
OUR...family member...all of us here...we're
all so very lucky to have the same one...!

but ya know...sometimes to save a good eye...
you'll need to remove the damaged eye...that's
a fact...!


kindest regards tommi







sorry for the Red Wedding ending...but i
can't lie to yas...the writers have gone home...
and i'm just wingin' it here...!




oh yeah...if Bolts succeeds somewhere else...?

i'd be very happy for him...!

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Paddycripps wrote:
Does this mean Wallsy can now go back to his chateaux in France?
How many does he have?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:28 am 
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tommi wrote:
I'm sad too....

that's because i feel Bolts did the absolute
best he could do with us...and you just
know he's a good human...!

i say thank you to him too...he took the kids
through a very difficult stage of their
development...and a horrible period of the
Carlton Football Club history...!

a club that for anyone over the age of
35...(give or take 5 years)....or especially over
45...has come to represent a close family
member...!

(i'm not ignoring those younger...i know
you're hurting too...just trying to get
somewhere sorry)...!

a family member most of us have known
since we were born...others introduced
not very long after...but the beautiful thing is...
almost always by a family member...!

that's why CFC is that grandfather...grandmother...
father...mother...brother...sister...uncle...
aunty...cousin...who did things that made US
so happy...so proud...!

you know the one...when they arrived at a family
gathering...the party got started...!

when you walked down the street with them...
you wanted everyone to know...yeah that's right...
i'm with them...!

no one EVER pointed or made wise cracks
about them...!



(look...i'm CLEARLY aware i'm rambling a
tad...just in case you think i'm nuts...but i've
been taken by the rip...so i've had to go
all the way out before i can come back in again...
nearly there.........pretty sure)...!



people wouldn't say it...but they WISHED
they had a relative like yours...one that
brought such joy to anyone that had the
pleasure to meet them...!

they would be jealous of those parties that
happened ALL to often at your house...!

they could only imagine what a happy family
looked like...!

Carlton Football Club is that member...it's
OUR...family member...all of us here...we're
all so very lucky to have the same one...!

but ya know...sometimes to save a good eye...
you'll need to remove the damaged eye...that's
a fact...!


kindest regards tommi







sorry for the Red Wedding ending...but i
can't lie to yas...the writers have gone home...
and i'm just wingin' it here...!




oh yeah...if Bolts succeeds somewhere else...?

i'd be very happy for him...!
Now I gotta tell ya...... that's a lot better than that ice cream analogy.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:04 am 
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I just think we've lost a good person in Bolts. And any business can't afford to lose good people.

Apparently we thought he was the right fit, backed him in unequivocally but then sack him a week later due to our win/ loss?

What have our assistants brought to the table? Some of the kick-on choices out of defence have been disgraceful - Bolts or defensive coach?

It seems an emotional decision and one that doesn't result in an answer. If there's no answer, then why make the decision.

There was more to gain sticking with Bolts for another month - at least understanding what the issues are before making this decision.

What additional assistance have we given BB, an inexperienced coach, so he can imorove? Ask someone mentioned before, did he choose hisnowk assistants?

When the going got tough this year after close losses, did the club help Bolts improve and freshen up from the pressure - did they set him up with the right people, advisors, mentors, to help him with what the breakdown is with our ball movement, decisions in close games, and then assist in advising our own board of what to do next?

He did a lot of good. We turn the close losses to wins this year and he'd be safe. But instead he's gone.

On the surface, it's an understandable decision, but I doubt in the process and vision behind it - I don't see Teague appointment helping at this stage, and losing Bolts for good doesn't help either.


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I guess the club was no longer comfortable being uncomfortable.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:41 am 
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Our best performance this year was Bulldogs. Close to a 4 quarter game.
The next best is Collingwood where we blew a late lead to cop 5 unanswered goals in 5 mins.
Then the Hawks game where we blew a 5 goal lead with 1.5 quarters of putrid football.
The Gold Coast game we could have won was awful.

The Sydney and Saints games, we looked outcoached but could have pinched both games.

That is not the resume of someone that should have kept his job. In hindsight, the North game should have been the deathknell

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:04 am 
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litho_43 wrote:
I just think we've lost a good person in Bolts. And any business can't afford to lose good people.

Apparently we thought he was the right fit, backed him in unequivocally but then sack him a week later due to our win/ loss?

What have our assistants brought to the table? Some of the kick-on choices out of defence have been disgraceful - Bolts or defensive coach?

It seems an emotional decision and one that doesn't result in an answer. If there's no answer, then why make the decision.

There was more to gain sticking with Bolts for another month - at least understanding what the issues are before making this decision.

What additional assistance have we given BB, an inexperienced coach, so he can imorove? Ask someone mentioned before, did he choose hisnowk assistants?

When the going got tough this year after close losses, did the club help Bolts improve and freshen up from the pressure - did they set him up with the right people, advisors, mentors, to help him with what the breakdown is with our ball movement, decisions in close games, and then assist in advising our own board of what to do next?

He did a lot of good. We turn the close losses to wins this year and he'd be safe. But instead he's gone.

On the surface, it's an understandable decision, but I doubt in the process and vision behind it - I don't see Teague appointment helping at this stage, and losing Bolts for good doesn't help either.


Yeah I don't think we exhausted all options in supporting Bolton.

I think Liddle's requirement to continue growing the membership had a lot to do with the decision at this time. I imagine a lot of members would have been cancelling their auto-renewals so I understand it from a commercial point of view.

But losing good people is still hard to accept IMO.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:17 am 
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The club went through the right process to appoint him. At the time, he had come from the right club playing the right structures with the stamp from his previous employer. Someone who could develop as a coach as the group developed. When interviewed I am certain he would have impressed. Just look at today.

As the young players were been brought in since the 2015 draft, I think he did a good job of creating an enjoyable environment for them to settle into. The general feel for me from the outside and based on player retention and contract extensions was that he seem to at the very least create a galvanised group prepared to play for each other. A place they wanted to stay and build something. There was no more smell of the rot of the Malthouse years.

What failed to happen in my opinion is the development of his coaching ability. He had an excuse last year, but with enough talent available through the first half this year he couldn’t pinch the wins needed to keep the belief in either his own development or the teams.

I think it was the right thing to do when he was appointed. I think today was the right thing to do. It hasn’t worked out, not through effort, but perhaps because of ability. We just haven’t shown what other teams (Cats, Tigers, Pies) have shown when they spared their coaches. It happens.

I look forward to who can bring the best out of the playing group, which I still think is dripping with talent. Someone please harness it and ride it home.



Wonderful read.

Measured. Sensible.

I think most Carltonians feel a similar way

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