List Management 2016

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14994

Bolt from the Blue wrote:

Rexy wrote:

I've put the pen through 9 players at this stage

Wood (rookie)
Graham?
Jones?
Jamison
Dick
Smith
Tutt
Buckley?
Walker?

Dick, Smith, Tutt and Wood will certainly or almost certainly be gone, yep. Jamison I think will retire; not too sure about Walker. The others are question marks. Buckley I would look at trading or keep for one more year. Graham likewise. One of Jones or Foster will be delisted. Viojo-Rainbow is another question mark, Armfield too. I would trade Everitt as well.
I would go with these names not being at Carlton in 2017:
Wood (rookie)
Buckley (trade)
Jamison (retire)
Dick
Smith
Foster
Tutt
Viojo-Rainbow
Everitt (trade)
Maybe another 1 or 2 more.

I think those changes will be pretty close to the mark. I wouldnt give up on Graham just yet, he showed a bit last year before his injury and I hope they give Jaksch another year.
What is interesting is that at this stage of the year the only re-signing so far is Cripps extending his contract. This is pretty unusual so I am not sure what is going on behind the scenes regarding player contracts.

Bolt from the Blue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:18 am **Posts:** 1901

carntheblues wrote:

kkk wrote:

Dick, Smith, Tutt and Wood will certainly or almost certainly be gone, yep. Jamison I think will retire; not too sure about Walker. The others are question marks. Buckley I would look at trading or keep for one more year. Graham likewise. One of Jones or Foster will be delisted. Viojo-Rainbow is another question mark, Armfield too. I would trade Everitt as well.
I would go with these names not being at Carlton in 2017:
Wood (rookie)
Buckley (trade)
Jamison (retire)
Dick
Smith
Foster
Tutt
Viojo-Rainbow
Everitt (trade)
Maybe another 1 or 2 more.

I'm pretty sure Dick, Smith went under a couple of months ago.

I am not sure why we would keep Graham. He has been given a number of opportunities and has shown he is simply too slow and therefoe a liability when we don't have the ball and he doesn't have sufficient impact when we do have the ball. Seen enough to know his strengths and weaknesses and that he won't help us improve as a team. Definitely delist IMO.

As I said, I've put a :?:

next to him (Graham). It really depends on how many players we delist. There's every chance he'll get some games before the end of the year. I agree he's a limited player but with a lack of depth in the midfield atm, he'll get his chances in the 2nd half of the year, then Bolton and Silvagni will decide what they see, or don't see then.

Bolt from the Blue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:18 am **Posts:** 1901

kezza wrote:

Bolt from the Blue wrote:

Rexy wrote:

I've put the pen through 9 players at this stage

Wood (rookie)
Graham?
Jones?
Jamison
Dick
Smith
Tutt
Buckley?
Walker?

Dick, Smith, Tutt and Wood will certainly or almost certainly be gone, yep. Jamison I think will retire; not too sure about Walker. The others are question marks. Buckley I would look at trading or keep for one more year. Graham likewise. One of Jones or Foster will be delisted. Viojo-Rainbow is another question mark, Armfield too. I would trade Everitt as well.
I would go with these names not being at Carlton in 2017:
Wood (rookie)
Buckley (trade)
Jamison (retire)
Dick
Smith
Foster
Tutt
Viojo-Rainbow
Everitt (trade)
Maybe another 1 or 2 more.

I think those changes will be pretty close to the mark. I wouldnt give up on Graham just yet, he showed a bit last year before his injury and I hope they give Jaksch another year.
What is interesting is that at this stage of the year the only re-signing so far is Cripps extending his contract. This is pretty unusual so I am not sure what is going on behind the scenes regarding player contracts.

I think they'll give Jaksch another year too. Others can go before him. I can only imagine they are keeping their options open for players to trade, bring in new faces, decide how many players to draft and then come to a conclusion there.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14994

Bolt from the Blue wrote:

kezza wrote:

Bolt from the Blue wrote:

Rexy wrote:

I've put the pen through 9 players at this stage

Wood (rookie)
Graham?
Jones?
Jamison
Dick
Smith
Tutt
Buckley?
Walker?

Dick, Smith, Tutt and Wood will certainly or almost certainly be gone, yep. Jamison I think will retire; not too sure about Walker. The others are question marks. Buckley I would look at trading or keep for one more year. Graham likewise. One of Jones or Foster will be delisted. Viojo-Rainbow is another question mark, Armfield too. I would trade Everitt as well.
I would go with these names not being at Carlton in 2017:
Wood (rookie)
Buckley (trade)
Jamison (retire)
Dick
Smith
Foster
Tutt
Viojo-Rainbow
Everitt (trade)
Maybe another 1 or 2 more.

I think those changes will be pretty close to the mark. I wouldnt give up on Graham just yet, he showed a bit last year before his injury and I hope they give Jaksch another year.
What is interesting is that at this stage of the year the only re-signing so far is Cripps extending his contract. This is pretty unusual so I am not sure what is going on behind the scenes regarding player contracts.

I think they'll give Jaksch another year too. Others can go before him. I can only imagine they are keeping their options open for players to trade, bring in new faces, decide how many players to draft and then come to a conclusion there.

You are probably right but I cant remember a year when not one player that was coming out of contract has not been re-signed at this time of the year. We have 20 players out of contract, almost half the list. Simpson will re-sign as I am sure Touhy will too. Casboult is the interesting one. Our only big forward and from reports it is his management holding off contract discussions, from memory this happened with his last contract.
The list management people have a lot of work to do.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

When does Jaksch's contract end?

jimmae · **Posted:** Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:07 pm

robertbb wrote:

When does Jaksch's contract end?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34666

2017 with a 1-year option.

Bolt from the Blue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:18 am **Posts:** 1901

kezza wrote:

Bolt from the Blue wrote:

kezza wrote:

Bolt from the Blue wrote:

Rexy wrote:

I've put the pen through 9 players at this stage

Wood (rookie)
Graham?
Jones?
Jamison
Dick
Smith
Tutt
Buckley?
Walker?

Dick, Smith, Tutt and Wood will certainly or almost certainly be gone, yep. Jamison I think will retire; not too sure about Walker. The others are question marks. Buckley I would look at trading or keep for one more year. Graham likewise. One of Jones or Foster will be delisted. Viojo-Rainbow is another question mark, Armfield too. I would trade Everitt as well.
I would go with these names not being at Carlton in 2017:
Wood (rookie)
Buckley (trade)
Jamison (retire)
Dick
Smith
Foster
Tutt
Viojo-Rainbow
Everitt (trade)
Maybe another 1 or 2 more.

I think those changes will be pretty close to the mark. I wouldnt give up on Graham just yet, he showed a bit last year before his injury and I hope they give Jaksch another year.
What is interesting is that at this stage of the year the only re-signing so far is Cripps extending his contract. This is pretty unusual so I am not sure what is going on behind the scenes regarding player contracts.

I think they'll give Jaksch another year too. Others can go before him. I can only imagine they are keeping their options open for players to trade, bring in new faces, decide how many players to draft and then come to a conclusion there.

You are probably right but I cant remember a year when not one player that was coming out of contract has not been re-signed at this time of the year. We have 20 players out of contract, almost half the list. Simpson will re-sign as I am sure Touhy will too. Casboult is the interesting one. Our only big forward and from reports it is his management holding off contract discussions, from memory this happened with his last contract.
The list management people have a lot of work to do.

Yeah I've needed to check the contract list update and Jaksch does have another year. The only name I can see which they should re-sign is Plowman. Tuohy and Casboult aren't re-signed either and while I'd like to retain them, they might be looked at on the trade table.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

jimmae wrote:

robertbb wrote:

When does Jaksch's contract end?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34666

2017 with a 1-year option.

What's the option?

jimmae · **Posted:** Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:52 pm

robertbb wrote:

jimmae wrote:

robertbb wrote:

When does Jaksch's contract end?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34666

2017 with a 1-year option.

What's the option?

Presumably a one-year extension of the existing contract terms? Options cannot be unilateral or automatically triggered under the CBA.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

Whatever they are, I hope it's not triggered/invoked. He's not much chop, unfortunately. Biggest waste of a top pick.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:03 pm

Bolt from the Blue wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

Rexy wrote:

I've put the pen through 9 players at this stage

Wood (rookie)
Graham
Jones
Jamison
Dick
Smith
Tutt
Buckley
Walker

That's a fair start.

Add Graham, Kreuzer (post 2017 contract), Foster.

I don't think Sumner Lamb Wright Kerridge White Gorringe are long term prospects especially against GWS over the next 5-10 years.

Wright's on a one year contract, correct? He's played well this year; I think he'll get a 1-2 year deal. Sumner's problem is more his body than ability, I still have hopes for him. The rest are on 2-years or are not in the queue to be delisted yet imo.

I think Wrights good for us in 2016. He's smart, tenacious and doesn't give up.

Having watched the game against GWS we saw what they have and what it will take to match them if we are serious about flag No 17 and Wright along with the extras I added I think will be not be with us long term.

blueboy23 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:35 pm

Delisted, trade or Retire, regardless of a contact or not, IMO,
Jamison, Everitt, Tutt, Jones, Whiley, Walker, Smith, Graham, Rainbow, Wood, Foster, Dick and Gowers.
Adam Tomlinson will be a target this year, maybe a 3 rounder..
Too many down hill skiers

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

With the news that Tom Mitchell has put his contract talks on hold we should be throwing everything at him to get him to the Blues. He is an absolute gun.

If there is no success with him (as posters have suggested) ... the focus should switch to Tom Rockliff whose contract negotiations with Lions have broken down.

Mosquito Fleet · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm **Posts:** 2477

trade murphy gibbs and kruezer for draft picks and we will spring back faster
st kilda got rid of goddard, DelSanto etc and they have proven to spring back faster

Bolt from the Blue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:18 am **Posts:** 1901

Dal Santo and Goddard left as free agents, not kicked out trades. :roll:

Megaman · **Posted:** Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:57 pm

Spring back faster than what?

Bolt from the Blue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:18 am **Posts:** 1901

Oh and we did have 5 picks in the top 25 last year through trades. I think these will be trades which will help us spring back faster. Hmmm, but I wonder how St. Kilda would do if they still had Goddard and Dal Santo?

Mosquito Fleet · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm **Posts:** 2477

Bolt from the Blue wrote:

Dal Santo and Goddard left as free agents, not kicked out trades. :roll:

Gooddard not accepting st kilda's offer
de santo was put on the table-= received pick 25 compensation
daisy thomas by the way -= pies got pick 11 - can you believe it?

Mosquito Fleet · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm **Posts:** 2477

Megaman wrote:

Spring back faster than what?

gibbs murph and kruezer are all not in our premiership window - which is at least 5 years away..get something now for them

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

Stk didn't spring back faster than us - they had a 4 year head start on the rebuild and are probably only a year ahead of us. We beat Geelong too if you forgot.

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