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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:19 pm 
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We were shit last year under Ratten.

We are even shitter this year under Malthouse.

If we can't beat StKilda, Malthouse should think long and hard about doing a "Blight".


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:20 pm 
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Gab wrote:
mjs wrote:
Article on this years success (or lack of it) with MM compared with where we were last year

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/song-remains-the-same-in-blues-backyard-20130708-2pmdg.html



Rohan has been sooking and embarked upon an anti Malthouse campaign weeks ago after he got a well deserved backhander on air, i wouldn't attach any credibility to anything he said on this matter.

The media was front and centre in putting the pressure on Ratten last year and once he was sacked they started playing the sympathy card, i wouldn't take any notice of any of them to be honest. They have their own agendas.

They will get into Carlton any chance they have, unfortunately we lack the person at the top who can tell them to get stuffed ( at board level).


Connolly may have an agenda given the bake he received however it's hard to argue with what has been written in the article.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:25 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Gab wrote:
mjs wrote:
Article on this years success (or lack of it) with MM compared with where we were last year

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/song-remains-the-same-in-blues-backyard-20130708-2pmdg.html



Rohan has been sooking and embarked upon an anti Malthouse campaign weeks ago after he got a well deserved backhander on air, i wouldn't attach any credibility to anything he said on this matter.

The media was front and centre in putting the pressure on Ratten last year and once he was sacked they started playing the sympathy card, i wouldn't take any notice of any of them to be honest. They have their own agendas.

They will get into Carlton any chance they have, unfortunately we lack the person at the top who can tell them to get stuffed ( at board level).


Connolly may have an agenda given the bake he received however it's hard to argue with what has been written in the article.



well i would suggest that he has overlooked one big difference, the coach at the end of 2012 was one who had been at the helm for more than 5 years and had helped shape the list, the coach at the end of 2013 will have served one year without any opportunity to shape the list. The previous coach also had the services of our best players at their peak, that isn't the case now.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:30 pm 
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Gab wrote:
Effes wrote:
Gab wrote:
mjs wrote:
Article on this years success (or lack of it) with MM compared with where we were last year

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/song-remains-the-same-in-blues-backyard-20130708-2pmdg.html



Rohan has been sooking and embarked upon an anti Malthouse campaign weeks ago after he got a well deserved backhander on air, i wouldn't attach any credibility to anything he said on this matter.

The media was front and centre in putting the pressure on Ratten last year and once he was sacked they started playing the sympathy card, i wouldn't take any notice of any of them to be honest. They have their own agendas.

They will get into Carlton any chance they have, unfortunately we lack the person at the top who can tell them to get stuffed ( at board level).


Connolly may have an agenda given the bake he received however it's hard to argue with what has been written in the article.



The previous coach also had the services of our best players at their peak, that isn't the case now.


Just 12 months ago the list was decimated by injury and was performing at levels similar or slightly better than currently. So you could argue MM has had more to go with this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:32 pm 
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Roosy saying tonite that in his opinion we have a highly talented list that should be performing better.

It's funny that these talented players all of a sudden have lost their talent?
I'm worried we'll get in a bunch of dull plodders that will execute the coaches orders, and play mind numbingly boring footy.
yes, I'll be happy if we win, of course...
but I love the game style of the Cats..nicely balanced..plenty of room for joyful playing and artistry from those players that can.
I think we are seeing some downtrodden unhappy players, and it's geting worse.
I really hope I'm wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:50 pm 
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Quote me if I am wrong but I have never seen any new coach come in to any football club and make no trades to enhance their list.

This smacks of very poor list management.

My two concerns with his coaching are

(a) whether we have the list that can adapt to his game plan. A Collingwood supporter said to me that in his opinion the Carlton players play with a lot of flair and doubted whether attacking along the boundary suited us.

(b) he may have destabilised things with his player moves / stance. Collingwood players although playing the boundary would also run the ball through the middle ... Yarran suited here. The spread that Simpson provided in the midfield is missing. The reliability of Laidler at half back is missing.

Having said all that he is having rotten luck as a coach ... what is it ... the fourth or fifth time we have subbed a player so early in the game ?


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:02 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
It's funny that these talented players all of a sudden have lost their talent?
I think we are seeing some downtrodden unhappy players, and it's getting worse.
I really hope I'm wrong.


Who would these unhappy players be?
Shame if players can't be professional enough to grind out AFL standard attitudes and perform under new instructions. Didn't see any disharmony at the start of the season (though lack of results), perhaps we have a bunch of players unwilling to work to the required standards. They certainly can't play 4 full quarters and battle to play smart football.
Friday night was a disgraceful performance after the 1st 20mins, MM is the only one showing some emotion out there.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:13 pm 
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The truth is muck was shocked with the state of our list early on. Last year.
He did leave trading to McKay.......

But last year he thought the list was crazy and did instruct recruiting what not to ever get again.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:15 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Roosy saying tonite that in his opinion we have a highly talented list that should be performing better.

It's funny that these talented players all of a sudden have lost their talent?
I'm worried we'll get in a bunch of dull plodders that will execute the coaches orders, and play mind numbingly boring footy.
yes, I'll be happy if we win, of course...
but I love the game style of the Cats..nicely balanced..plenty of room for joyful playing and artistry from those players that can.
I think we are seeing some downtrodden unhappy players, and it's geting worse.
I really hope I'm wrong.

Roos didn't want to coach them though.?.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:18 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Quote me if I am wrong but I have never seen any new coach come in to any football club and make no trades to enhance their list.

This smacks of very poor list management.

My two concerns with his coaching are

(a) whether we have the list that can adapt to his game plan. A Collingwood supporter said to me that in his opinion the Carlton players play with a lot of flair and doubted whether attacking along the boundary suited us.

(b) he may have destabilised things with his player moves / stance. Collingwood players although playing the boundary would also run the ball through the middle ... Yarran suited here. The spread that Simpson provided in the midfield is missing. The reliability of Laidler at half back is missing.

Having said all that he is having rotten luck as a coach ... what is it ... the fourth or fifth time we have subbed a player so early in the game ?


I look at that too but at the same time I see other teams cope ...... Essendon* the other day lost both Watson and Stanton and still managed a good win over Port. Swans lost Reid early and (yes) beat Melbourne.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:21 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
He did leave trading to McKay........


Some serious question marks over his legacy since returning to CFC.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:41 pm 
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all the players pets are probably in good health

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:04 am 
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Effes wrote:
Gab wrote:
Effes wrote:
Gab wrote:
mjs wrote:
Article on this years success (or lack of it) with MM compared with where we were last year

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/song-remains-the-same-in-blues-backyard-20130708-2pmdg.html



Rohan has been sooking and embarked upon an anti Malthouse campaign weeks ago after he got a well deserved backhander on air, i wouldn't attach any credibility to anything he said on this matter.

The media was front and centre in putting the pressure on Ratten last year and once he was sacked they started playing the sympathy card, i wouldn't take any notice of any of them to be honest. They have their own agendas.

They will get into Carlton any chance they have, unfortunately we lack the person at the top who can tell them to get stuffed ( at board level).


Connolly may have an agenda given the bake he received however it's hard to argue with what has been written in the article.



The previous coach also had the services of our best players at their peak, that isn't the case now.


Just 12 months ago the list was decimated by injury and was performing at levels similar or slightly better than currently. So you could argue MM has had more to go with this year.

Rubbish

Twelve months ago we lost to GC who were decimated more.

Outrun....

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:38 am 
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Article in The Age was spot on. Ratten brought us back from the depths of dispair and 3 wooden spoons. We made the finals 3 out of the 5 years and we were devastated by injuries in the last. In typical knee jerk reaction mode we appointed an overrated coach who had one really good coaching stint at west coast who had some unbelievably good players. He was a disaster at the Bulldogs and it took him 10 years to win a premiership with a really great list at Collingwood. He wont play one of our best backman in Laidler ... he wont play our kids ... he has made some horrendous coaching decisions ... has made some outstandingly poor choices with match selection .. . has been heavily criticized by our greatest coach David Parkin not to mention Robert Walls and others. The whole exercise has been a complete catastrophe and so here we are ... about to start a rebuild.

As a Carlton supporter of 45 year I am sick to guts with what has happened ... and still people continue to defend the selection of the super duper coach. Yep ... The Age has it spot on.

The only possitive for me is that I am overseas for one more week.

I wait in anticipation for the next crazy move instigated by MM and the once might Blues.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:32 am 
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February 16 2013

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CARLTON coach Mick Malthouse says the Blues have the ingredients to win the flag.

Malthouse, who yesterday oversaw an encouraging second intra-club match, made the bold declaration in his program notes handed to fans.

His comments were laced with caveats, but there was no mistaking the optimism.

"I want a healthy side, a good game plan and an attitude of 'We are hungry enough.'

"Take those ingredients, along with the stars and planets aligning (and), we may very well have the makings of a premiership side," Malthouse wrote.


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"I'm quite happy with the list...I look at the list and I see some very, very exciting young players," Malthouse said last year.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:57 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Article in The Age was spot on. Ratten brought us back from the depths of dispair and 3 wooden spoons. We made the finals 3 out of the 5 years and we were devastated by injuries in the last. In typical knee jerk reaction mode we appointed an overrated coach who had one really good coaching stint at west coast who had some unbelievably good players. He was a disaster at the Bulldogs and it took him 10 years to win a premiership with a really great list at Collingwood. He wont play one of our best backman in Laidler ... he wont play our kids ... he has made some horrendous coaching decisions ... has made some outstandingly poor choices with match selection .. . has been heavily criticized by our greatest coach David Parkin not to mention Robert Walls and others. The whole exercise has been a complete catastrophe and so here we are ... about to start a rebuild.

As a Carlton supporter of 45 year I am sick to guts with what has happened ... and still people continue to defend the selection of the super duper coach. Yep ... The Age has it spot on.

The only possitive for me is that I am overseas for one more week.

I wait in anticipation for the next crazy move instigated by MM and the once might Blues.



Ever a time we were more in despair then overrun by gcs?

Might happen again but it also happened last year.

Take heed...... We are sliding or list is [REDACTED]... don't overestimate our position.

Recognizing what we are is crucial.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:25 am 
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Gab wrote:
mjs wrote:
Article on this years success (or lack of it) with MM compared with where we were last year

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/song-remains-the-same-in-blues-backyard-20130708-2pmdg.html



Rohan has been sooking and embarked upon an anti Malthouse campaign weeks ago after he got a well deserved backhander on air, i wouldn't attach any credibility to anything he said on this matter.

The media was front and centre in putting the pressure on Ratten last year and once he was sacked they started playing the sympathy card, i wouldn't take any notice of any of them to be honest. They have their own agendas.

They will get into Carlton any chance they have, unfortunately we lack the person at the top who can tell them to get stuffed ( at board level).


spot on

I normally like Rohan as a journalist, but I think his personal feelings are overriding his integrity as a journalist in this article. No doubt he is still getting over his on air stouch with Malthouse from a few weeks ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:48 am 
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So, does that mean he's incorrect?
Or we dont appreciate him stating the facts?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:02 am 
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Lets just all keep our head in the sand, I makes us all feel better doesn't it. !!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:11 am 
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We should just excuse Malthouse for his blatant mistakes and just focus on Rattens instead.


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