Not really... youd have to say Swans.. Woods... Adelaide.. StKilda... Geelong... Hawthorn..and WC have been pretty competitive over the last decade....

and Tigers... Melb... Freo...Carlton.... have been twiddling their thumbs

And some clubs have been somewhere in between

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I'll give you the Cats, but the rest have only won a flag each since our last one (aLthough i stand to be corrected). Saints haven't won any.

You left out the Lions.....but isn't that what we're all striving for? Premierships.

Apart from the Cats and Lions, no team has been dominant for any length of time.

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Not talking about dominant.

Talking about consitent performers and therabouts.

Prelims etc.

Not one elimination final......

Like i said...

There are the good clubs... the mediocre and the truly pathetic...

we linger between the last two on that group of three .... for a decade.

Nothing to be proud about...

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just a shit game all round, I shake my head to......

I remember 95 too, how the hell did we get beaten by the bottom team 2 weeks in a row and absolutely pantsed in one of them when we smashed every other team we came up against....

Shit happens

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Good comparison. We won 7 in a row first, and then 16 in a row. How the hell are you able to seriously compare 95 to this year????

That's like saying my '97 Corolla is like a 2011 Ferarri. After all, they both have steering wheels.

I still want to know. In a year that's been shitful all over, how did we even allow Port to thrash us??? Not how did we lose 2 games in a premiership year.

But I tell ya what. Let's say we win the flag this year, then I'll do three things:
1. Concede that I was wrong (about the club being an absolute rabble).
2. Buy you a slab of your favorite beer.
3. Join you in one of those beers and talk about how crazy it was that Port beat us in a year in which we won 8 in a row to storm to our 17th flag.

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Synners...i finally get it

You want us to be more like the BULLDOGS!

They played in a few pre-lims

Silly me!

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My understanding is that the end of season players trip was particularly well funded that year.

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the best is one eliminational final win in a decade .
and wth the aim of hopefully getting a finals home game...


That is raising the bar high.......

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You forgot St.Kilda

Seriously. Your point would have merit if we never got fined a squillion dollars and had all of our draft picks taken away from us. For CHEATING!

Fact is, no club in AFL history has had a bigger hole to climb out of than what we did.

That set us back a decade. The way I see it, is we're right on course to get back up there.

Shane Rogers is bringing the right mindset and work ethic to our recruiting & drafting and development.

The prime picks on our list are about to enter their prime -- Gibbs, Murphy, Yarran, Kruezer etc etc.

And we have an improving coach, who based on the last 5-6 weeks, has a fair case to make for the most improved coach in the comp.

We're not playing football manager on playstation. We can't fast track anything. It is, what it is ...

I think Synbad get's the point EXACTLY.

Sure, we've climbed out of a deep hole to get to where we are............. but we only have ourselves to blame for that. WE dug that hole ourselves. The Carlton Football club!

You are correct, however, that we are trying to rectify our past. But I just don't think we're going about it correctly.

We are doing a few things right, but we seem to still have that mentaility that because we are CARLTON, Premierships will just happen. They'll just come to us. That is so not the case anymore.
Back before the 80's, sure. But there are an extra half a dozen teams now days and it is a much more professional sport with Salary Cap's and stricter rules & regulations that we only learn about (fully) just over 10 years ago now.

We've won one final after making the finals for 3 years - yet we just seem to 'continue' on expecting that we will the premiership without really addressing the issue that are quite possibly to blame.

Speaking of 'Blame'. We are quick to single out a certain person (coach Ratt's for example) but we often fail to look beyond that (IE Sticks, Swann, Etc Etc).


Even though we've turned a corner in the last 5 weeks with some good wins against the likes of Essendon* etc etc and we MIGHT still yet make the finals (fingers crossed) I still agree that the Carlton Football Club needs a FULL review come seasons end. Coaching / Board / Staff / Players / Everybody!

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How do we know that? What has changed? Has it been driven by him?

I don't know what has happened but a couple of points.

1. We haven't beaten much or have beaten teams I would expect we would beat.
2. We have been able to play the brand of football that we know suits us.
3. Kids have been played against belief
4. Ratten looks to have realised his fate and as such has released the "brakes" on the players. They are playing with freedom and flare.

I am always amazed by comments of a coach is coaching better or worse based on a few weeks of football.

Unless you are there how do we know?

Whether Ratten is there next year, I just hope his performance is judged on results and improvements in a number of areas over the past 5 years not 5 weeks.

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Let's say we didn't get caught for cheating or that it never happened. We would have had Daniel Wells, Brendan Goddard and for argument's sake Farren Ray as well as Walker.

I'd say the 05-07 period of bottoming out/tanking yielded better results than those three picks. I don't think we would have been in Murphy/Gibbs/Kreuzer or perhaps Judd territory if 02/03 drafts were unrestricted. Who knows?

Maybe they would have tanked in 04 instead and we have have got Lance Franklin.

It's a whole bunch of what ifs. I believe that with or without those above players the fortunes of the club were in a bunch of strife that we'd still probably be largely in the same position as today. Would Ratten even be there? Maybe Pagan would have kept his job. Who knows.



I agree with this, but I also think it's more than the prime picks. The group of later picks or rookies which was shown to be sorely under-developed to support the all-star cast was the area which needed addressing. In some ways it has, but at who's behest? Rattens or other instructions?



I'm not sure how much of a valid claim that is. The last 5-6 haven't been entirely exciting. Despite some solid book ends in the Collingwood and Essendon* thumpings, the rest has been mediocre wins against the teams we should have beaten, and floggings against teams that are above us.

Brad Scott has a fair claim to most improved coach this year depending on how you rate North Melbourne. But I bet you'd love Carlton to be travelling at the rate they are right now.

How do you know, he's been given a fate? Let alone accepted one?! Sounds like more typical Ratten witch hunting going on here.

Not one person in football gave us a chance with the team we trotted out against the dogs, Richmond & Essendon*. Every expert & analysts, said we'd get drilled by 5-7 goals. So while you thought we should win those games, you were on an island there.

Richmond at no stage let us down hill ski, which is a popular myth as to the only way we win games among the ratten bashers here.



Obviously I'm not there. Interviews with the players, reading media which I somewhat trust fills in some more of the picture. Most importantly, RIchardson noted that since the Port game Ratten has taken a hard line approach to the line coachs and players that mediocrity will not be tolerated. imo, this is the single most change in the way we approach the games. Intensity is up, players are playing for ratten ... all key indicators for a pro ratten finishing his contract argument.

Even in the game we lost Vs the Swans, we weren't blown off the park, we kept the top side on the ladder honest for most of the day, and even mateched them in some critical stats. imo, he we had Waite & walker playing, our inside 50 efficiency would have no doubt improved and we might have won.




I completely agree. I also want -- but don't feel like it will be possible with our current board -- that if it's decided ratten will be marched, that we go through a process to find his successor. Not just a handshake deal with malthouse.

I still can't divert away from the fact that if Eddie Maguire was championing MM for the job at the club he hates the most, it's because he knows & believes something we don't. ie malthouse is washed up?!!

Brad would be Ratten's biggest challenger, and in fairness would probably take most improved pretty easily over Ratten.

Interesting to note though how much luck plays a part in these things. Brad Scott and North are enjoying the lowest injury toll in the leage and have performed at a level no one saw coming.

Ratten would only get a look in as the most improved, for garnering 13 wins from a season with long term injuries to key players and almost the most amount of man games lost to injury in the league.

Yet ... up until last weekend, North & Carlton were pretty much in the same dogfight for the last tow finals spots -- 7th & 8th.

FFS!

I prefaced by saying I DONT know what has happened but gave a couple of POSSIBLE points.

Maybe its people that you that have a fixed opinion and simply dont read posts properly!

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This is why people don't like talking with you.

You're way over the top.

"Not one person in football gave us a chance against the bulldogs, Richmond and Essendon*."

Now that's patently not true.

Interesting. This thread is based on hypotheticals. Forget it. Hypotheticals don't win games so its interesting to hear all the theories but really all for naught.
I did like Moshe's Corolla and Ferrari comparison though. I took Teddy Jnr as a young tacker to Sydney in '95 as a treat to watch one of the 2 losses for the year. Thanks guys.

Anyway for better or worse Ratt's is our 2012 coach.

The question of whether he should be in 2013 is blinkered. The question is a larger one if we are to get ahead.

The club should be looking forward and reviewing ALL positions within.

Remember what Dick Pratt said. Get the BEST man for the job. Not necessarily the best available because he may not be the best.

Just for my 2 cents worth, start by reducing the ridiculous number of positions on the board. What do they think they are, a multi-national conglomerate?

Thoughts?

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Is that a Ratten comment?