Simply perfect summation. Couldn't be said any better

I'm not sure which of your crazy posts I should respond to Goltzy, but you have really lost the plot!

You have suggested that Fev is above disipline. You have suggested that he is entitled to sulk if we are getting towelled up. You have suggested that if we finish down near the bottom, he is entitled to spit the dummy.

FFS! Get real. Fev is a friggin sook. He like all petulant kids needs a smack around the lug. It's a reflection on society. Tantrums shouldn't receive any attention other than a kick up the arse. Fev might be a good shot on goal, and admittedly he chases sometimes, but he just doesn't try hard enough for an entire season or even for 4 quarters in any game.

Footy is a Team game. Fev has demonstrated time and time again that he has little interest in being a team player. Fevs indiscretions have finally caught up on him. From the fire extinguisher to the dry cleaner to the voice mail message to the irish trip to his recent self inflicted domestic exile to this latest incident all adds up.

I'll say this in simple easy to understand words for you and anybody else that won't face up to the reality of the situatiuon:

"Brendan Fevola, This is your Life...Piss or get off the Pot"

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Appreciate your opinion Frank as always but cant agree with you on this one......I think it has been poorly handled with other agendas being the issue. I dont find advertising Fev for sale being appropriate at this time of the year... as was suggested its all about chasing other players like Judd, Dal Santo etc ...
I think supporters on the whole would be dissapointed to see him leave especially if the real reason was to use him as trade bait only.
It almost like the club wanted him to go off the rails again...

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I'm with frank Elwood. You either know something I don't, or are making assumptions that I can't see strong justifications for.

Maybe there is stuff going on behind the scenes, but I don't think it invalidates this as a good course of action over Fev.

In some ways Fev might be being made an example of, because the club hasn't held its players to a high enough standard over the last 5 years. If they had, then this probably wouldn't be necessary. But I think it is neccessary. There have been many lots of chats, plenty of advice and some stern warnings given to Fev. He keeps going back to his old ways when things don't go how he wants them to.

The club needs to expect more professional behaviour from all its players, and if this is step 1 then I'm all for it.

I and a couple of younger Dardews would be devastated if he left as he is one of the reasons we have continued to watch them play over the last few seasons -in case Brendan turned the match on its head or kicked the 60 metre goal or took the mark of the year .
I think he will come back and commit and play with the Blues in the longer term .
As for other agendas I have no doubt that an important by-product of the decision is that they are testing the marketability of fev but sensibly so given he is contracted in 08
Why not make a play for the best footballer in Australia being Judd
Another maybe to the next coach suggesting that we have a strong decisive administration who dont buckle to the players and their whims and put the team first.
Another no doubt is a signal to other clubs that we are tough and wont be trod on anymore by anyone

So people think because the team is losing and players aren't happy with the coach and game plan then Fev was justifiable in his behaviour.

Silly me, I thought that in bad times is when leaders emerge and when you see people's true character. We need Fev to be up and firing when the team is going good and bad.

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Well another scenario is that if Judd is genuinly unhappy with the culture at West Coast this would be a good way to demonstrate to him that everyone will be kept on the straight and narrow at Carlton?

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So you are suggesting that it is ok to throw the towel in when things aren't going your way? That would be the ultimate definition of unprofessionalism. The players are paid VERY good money to do a job. No matter what is happening, he has to keep up his end of the bargain, which is to perform as per his contract. You can't throw a hissy fit and not conform to team rules just because you're frustrated. Ppl talk about wearing your heart on your sleeve. That is a fair call. But at what point do you say that your "wearing your heart on your sleeve" is becoming detrimental to the good of the overall club???

Just because results are not going your way, does not entitle you to dummy spit. You use the analogy of business. Sure, if the company is not performing, the CEO will need to be looked at. But as someone said, that is another thread.

What we are discussing here, is the employee who is not doing his job. Do we keep that employee and just blame it on the CEO? The CEO is responsible for the macro operations of the company. The employee is responsible for the micro operations of the company. No one is saying Pagan is not to blame. But we are not discussing Pagan. We are discussing Fevola.

If Fevola is not performing onfield and is causing problems, why should he not be scrutinised?

FFS Elwood, do me a favor ......".It almost like the club wanted him to go off the rails again"..

Get a grip son. Get a Flowering grip. There is no massive conspiracy as you and Synbad seem to think. Fev has bitten the hand that feeds him 5 times too many and he has been sent away to have a good hard look in the mirror.

Do you honestly think that if Fev was showing solid leadership on and off the field that with his natural footy skills CFC would want to get rid of him.

You may have a short memory but let me remind you Pagan bought him back from extinction. He was GAWN until Pagan arrived. Pagan has stuck up for him more times then any of you will ever know.

Pagan wants 'A' grade players like every coach does and Fev is an 'A' grade. Paqan made him an 'A' grade player. Pagan got in his head when he arrived and has been beside him encouraging every step of the way like a great father. They have a great relationship.

But like all great fathers there is only so much he can do. To take the next step with a child you eventually have to let the kid stand on his own two feet and show he is mature and sensible enough to carry-on alone.

Did you miss the bit about the rest of the leadership group taking a vote on who should replace Whits as Capt. Out of 4 possibles Fev finished last. What does that tell you. Open your eyes and ears. His peers voted him last. In other words there were 3 other players they would rather have lead CFC than Fev. That's not Pagan or Swann that's his flowering peers making that call. And how did he react to the vote ??? You don't have to be Einstein to work out the answer on current form.

Fev only remains an 'A' grade player WHEN.....and I say again.....WHEN.....he grows up, takes responsibility for his own actions and is switched on 24/7. Not by acting like a 13 yr old who has been told off by his mum because he has to clean his room instead of being allowed to go out and play.

Of course Carlton need him back as an 'A' grade player but if he won't and/or can't change his attitude to the Coaching staff and his peers then he and CFC is better of making other arrangements.

Regards Cazzesman

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Dropping Fev before the Melbourne game is also smart. The reason is that it is a winnable game and if they end up winning it shows that he is not indispensable and they can win games without him therefore putting pressure on him.On the other hand if they lose without him a winnable game where if he plays and fires they win also puts pressure on him because he effectively has cost his team mates another chance to win

Dropping Fev before the Melbourne game is also smart. The reason is that it is a winnable game and if they end up winning it shows that he is not indispensable and they can win games without him therefore putting pressure on him.On the other hand if they lose without him a winnable game where if he plays and fires they win also puts pressure on him because he effectively has cost his team mates another chance to win

Noone is saying he shouldnt be disciplined Cazz..

What i am saying.. is it was over the top!!!.. a press conference for "on field issues".. and then had to be followed up with some NOVA FM Dave Hughes propaganda to fill in the blanks..

PATHETIC!!!

and of course youd hate it if you were the player...

Its shithouse!!!

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Dropping Fev before the Melbourne game is also smart. The reason is that it is a winnable game and if they end up winning it shows that he is not indispensable and they can win games without him therefore putting pressure on him.On the other hand if they lose without him a winnable game where if he plays and fires they win also puts pressure on him because he effectively has cost his team mates another chance to win

This would have to be one of the best posts that I have read on TC.

Mr Caz slicing through the bullshit and saying it as it is.

I agree wholeheartedly and frankly I am amazed at the conspiracy theorists who won't or can't back down or acknowledge any opinion other than Fevola being victimised by the CFC heirarchy.

Synbad, your response is case in point. I've yet to see you once stand down from a point of view or acknowledge that you may be incorrect in any of your ten thousand odd posts. You'll duel to the bitter end rabidly clinging to your argument whilst people either tire, are turned away or don't even post at all because of your determination to hack at all differing points of view.

It is okay to think that the club has hatched this up. Many people strongly disagree and think that the club is doing the right thing and that it has been handled well. Obviously everybody is entitled to their opinion.

However there is a point where you have to say -- "okay, we'll agree to disagree" -- and from there the hatchet should be locked in the cupboard instead of trying to bury it into each opposing argument and point of view.

Great post Cazz. Get fired up

Generation Y...............there's the problem.

I don't think Fev can change...much. Fev is Fev. Forget about the heart on the sleeve stuff, we know that part, but IMHO Fev acts like a spoilt brat.

I love him, he's exciting, he's amusing, he's childlike, he's our star (atm)...but I love the club more. If a good deal for the club can be achieved, then it's a good deal for the club. When Fev is gone, old and retired, Carlton will always be "The One Constant in My Life" (Deano quote) I'm not going to worry about it too much in 10 years time; whatever happens.

Whatever was done was done. It seems that Swanny is playing his cards, but I bet he would have calculated the fallout of his strategy. Who knows, maybe it's working the way he planned.

So what does Fev want?

He wants to play footy.
He wants to be the centre of attention.
He wants to kick the goals.
He wants to show off his talent.
He's a performer and wants to perform.
He loves the attention.
He wants to be the centre of attention.

The result...a BIG pay cheque, his ego is stroked, he'll strut in a cocky manner, but when things don't go his way, he'll sook like a child.

Basically, he's a generation Y product...it's all about me (Fev)! These types of people need guidelines to follow, they need to be corralled, and give them too much rope and they tend to hang themselves. Fev is Fev, he must play within the club's guidelines, but Fev being Fev, he isn't going to play the club's rules; result... it's over.

So what do you think Fev is going to do?

He's contractually tied to Carlton for 2007 and 2008, so he's stuck with them unless he can get a trade that serves him; remember he has to agree to the trade too, it's not just a Carlton decision.

It's on the cards that he will come back and play footy in 2007 on the club's terms! He's got too much to lose if he doesn't. Sure he might play naught till the end of 2008 if Carlton don't play his game and vice versa.

If he doesn't conform to the club's expectations:

He wont play footy
He wont kick goals
He'll be one year older next year, (and 28 in 2009).
His ego will suffer
His value will depreciate.
He'll be sad and lonely
He wont be stroked

What have Carlton got to lose?

Fev chooses to stay out of the game till the end of his contract (if an amicable trade isn't sorted at the end of the 2007 trade period), and lose him in the PSD at the end of 2008 (I doubt this would happen because Fev has too much to lose with this choice); but it's possible.

or,

I believe Fev will choose to play in 2007 and try to do the right things by the club, (but really for himself), and he'll play for the club till his contract expires (end 2008), unless traded earlier. If not and Fev continues to play till the end of 2008, and it's then that Fev has the option to walk. It's his call. If Fev walks at the end of 2008, Carlton gets nothing.

I know why Fev would playby the rules (if he can) in 2007 and 2008, but why would Fev want to stay beyond 2008?

New coach.
New found game plan and winning culture.
Super $M contract.
Alec threatens to leave him if he walks from the $M.
His restaurant is in Melb, and his optional club is lets say Perth

That's all speculation that that will happen; Pagan may still be there. Regardless, there will still be bitterness towards the club.

If this week leaves a bitter taste in his mouth, as I expect from a generation Y product, there would be, I'd say that if he can't go to the club of his choice, or to a club that really really wants him (loved again...and he can scream in the corridor with reference to the new coach..."he loves me") he'll walk at the end of 2008 and Carlton gets nothing. He's got too much to lose to just sit out footy, and how else can he get Carlton back (if he wants to be vindictive, and he has reasons to be) for this embarrassing indelible stain (his view) the club had tarnished him with.

A trade is the best result for CFC; too much damage seems to have be done this week to an already strained relationship. The hurt isn't going to go away, and both parties have too much to lose either way.

The writing is on the wall, a line in the sand has been marked, and the club is prepared to lose him and shop him around....Fev being Fev isn't loved anymore at the club as he once was, because now, the Club comes first.

I expect a good outcome. I will miss him if he is traded, but if we get a great ruckman....and a great midfielder for him....well I'm in!

PS: If we're regrouping for the next flag, and lets say, we get to our first GF in 2010, Fev will be 29. We may not win that one in our first attempt, but there will be more, but I don't think Fev will be kicking 80 goals a season as a 30yo at 191 cm. I believe he'll lose his spring, his pace and perhaps the distance he is capable of kicking as a 26yo by then, and therefore his strengths and qualities we love about him in 2007.

We have options, and will have even better options come 2010. ATM we have:

HF: Fisher (23) Hartlett (20) Waite (24)
F: Grigg (19) Kennedy (20) Betts (20)

there will be others coming to put pressure on the above in 2008, 2009 and 2010.

Either way in 2017, I wont be thinking about 2007 very much.

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gee ... there's a forward line that will currently pose fear into the minds and hearts of the other 15 clubs

r u serious?

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Comparing how we handle Fev to how Collingwood handle Didak's problems are some of the most insane stuff I've ever read on here.
Fev has some onfield discipline issues while Didak is allegedly going around in cars that are shooting at people, I know how a lot of you love to piss on Fev but you need to put some of this shit into perspective.Fev's problems are micky mouse compared to the shit half the Eagles have been involved in for a while.

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Thats exactly the point isnt it that Fevs indiscretion are nothing like Didak or West Coast but our club has the guts to suspend him for not toeing the line and unlike particularly Collingwood are hitting him where it hurts most by not letting him play
The others and the AFL have been pathetic over Didak and Cousins -agree that severity of what others have done means didak/cousins should have been suspended for a long period of time not a week like Fev
Fev needed to be dealt with but I CERTAINLY ARE NOT PUTTING HIS ACTIONS IN THE SAME STRATOSPHERE AS COUSINS OR DIDAK.