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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 9:24 am 
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Laidler is coaching Sydney. Don't think he'll turn his back on a finals team for a rebuild.


disappointing.
a coaching defender is sorely lacking at our great club.
also
I think Laidlaw will be annoyed with this.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:08 am 
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Our worst percentage ever as at round 8 in the modern era. Worse than 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:13 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote:
He was told on Wednesdsy that it was most unlikely he'd be coaching at Carlton in 2016. There was an agreement it wouldn't be made public and he could go out with dignity later in the year.

On Thursday, less than 24 hrs later, his ego took over and he struck out at the club. Called their bluff, hoped they'd blink, and he got it wrong.


Forewarning him isn't good enough. If he's going to stay on for the remainder of the season, there has to be guidelines put in place for the clubs future.
He's still coaching with little regard to the clubs future. Bringing in Warnock to replace Carrazzo was just another example of the same shit he's been serving up.
Until 5 minutes before 3/4 time on Friday, our centre square midfield group consisted of Gibbs, Murphy, Judd, Curnow and Cripps. Thats it! The only addition was Bell who was included to replace the subbed Gibbs.
And then you get people like Maclure bemoaning us giving up goals in red time. :lol: Hello!
Judd went into the game sore and Gibbs was subbed off with injury. Yet there was no respite at selection. Why not bring Graham in to replace Carrazzo? Why not run Tuohy or Docherty or Yarran or Everitt or Buckley or Tutt through there to give them a taste? What about Daisy carrying some of the load?

Compare that to Geelong who ran Selwood, Caddy, Bicavs, Motlop, Lang, Johnson, Stokes, Guthrie as midfielders. Be thankful Duncan and Kelly weren't fit enough to be there.

We are grinding our midfielders into the ground. Development doesn't exist at the moment.

Yup, fair points.

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As for comments about Barker, I know he's the village idiot to TC but he's actually the one positive voice within the coaching group.

Him being positive is not mutually exclusive with him being a bad coach. He is responsible for the cohesion of the defensive group and its structure in terms of bringing in midfield support and zoning off to assist, and was responsible for the structure in the forward line and its forward pressure patterns.

They were/are dismal under his tenure. The next coaching structure needs someone responsible for team defence, someone who works with the line coaches to integrate a zone system, but John Barker can get out of the football club because he comes across as a coaching mirage.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:29 am 
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Our worst percentage ever as at round 8 in the modern era. Worse than 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007.

2004?

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:31 am 
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verbs wrote:
Our worst percentage ever as at round 8 in the modern era. Worse than 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007.

Well done Mick.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:44 am 
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dane wrote:
If John Barker is made coach, I'm @#$%&! done. I can't believe he's still a line coach for flowers sake.

I was mortified too when I saw the paper.
On reading the reasons they kind of make sense. Laidley is a proven senior coach and this would give Barker an opportunity to show if he is any good or not. Having Laidley as his senior assistant.
By no means do I want Barker to remain coach next year but it gives him the experience. We are going to finish bottom 3 anyway so there is really no harm.
Apparently the players like him.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:44 am 
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D. Barrett on footy show
'meeting at cfc today..
not official board meeting
some directors, trigg and li'l judge.
gonna see what to do
whether he even coaches on friday nite etc.'

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:45 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
D. Barrett on footy show
'meeting at cfc today..
not official board meeting
some directors, trigg and li'l judge.
gonna see what to do
whether he even coaches on friday nite etc.'

He mentioned Dew as being our next coach.
Please, just get rid of MM.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:46 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
D. Barrett on footy show
'meeting at cfc today..
not official board meeting
some directors, trigg and li'l judge.
gonna see what to do
whether he even coaches on friday nite etc.'


surely has to be gone


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:47 am 
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Rexy wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
D. Barrett on footy show
'meeting at cfc today..
not official board meeting
some directors, trigg and li'l judge.
gonna see what to do
whether he even coaches on friday nite etc.'


surely has to be gone

Fingers crossed.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:50 am 
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still seemed to think it was up to Mick.
more like..
they'd say they'd decided not to go with him,
and then see what he makes of that.
also said what we all now know.
MLJ is a bust. his words were 'ineffectual so far'

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 12:22 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Rexy wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
D. Barrett on footy show
'meeting at cfc today..
not official board meeting
some directors, trigg and li'l judge.
gonna see what to do
whether he even coaches on friday nite etc.'


surely has to be gone

Fingers crossed.


Why won't synners be there?

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:03 pm 
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Hinted that...
Either gone this week,
Or at most gone the bye weekend.
Either way, he's a 'dead coach walking'.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:04 pm 
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I want MM to finish the season for 2 reasons:

1) I'm sick of my membership money being wasted on paying out sakced coaches.
2) Sakcing MM will just be another smokescreen for the board to avoid taking responsibility themselves for the mess the club is in.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:07 pm 
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1) Fair point, but as mentioned elsewhere his salary will be budgeted for this year, so extra cost becomes whatever Barker/Laidley demand above their current pay.
2) Is there anyone who doesn't agree with that?! :P

To paraphrase Neale Daniher, Carlton sucks sometimes.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:18 pm 
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I'm worried we end up promising Barker a contract extension on the proviso he coaches to finish last..

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:54 pm 
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Oh great, here we go again. Malthouse <- (replace with Pagan & Ratten) -> gets the arse, and the board gets a pat on the back for taking action? :roll:

So how many years will pass before we repeat this process again with whoever the next coach will be? :screwy:


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Blue Vain wrote:

I heard the exact opposite from a player.
Plenty of people within the club are looking to deflect and excuse themselves. The truth is the board, administration and football department are responsible for creating a strong positive environment.
They're all failing dismally at the moment.

As for comments about Barker, I know he's the village idiot to TC but he's actually the one positive voice within the coaching group.


I'm a bit under the weather today, so I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding this, but are you essentially saying the club is a terribly negative environment for the players to be in, and it has nothing to do with the rebuilding announcement?

If so, I'm not opposed to Barker being the interim coach. A positive voice will at least boost morale and make footy enjoyable again for the group. Barker obviously has his fault, but I'll sacrifice some structure and game plan to at least see positive attacking footy and players enjoying being at the club again.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 2:16 pm 
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barker might lead us to the promised land.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 2:20 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
barker might lead us to the promised land.


I'm okay with him being appointed. The only criteria is that he has to play and develop what kids we have and it need to be a positive brand of football. We will have bad losses but there needs to be a big picture.

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