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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 6:49 pm 
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didn't the current president ensure no challenge to his reign by creating a committee of which he is a member of to facilitate anyone looking to challenge him.

The club is a toy that everyone wants to play with unfortunately so there is no escaping that. We are [REDACTED] every which way.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 6:51 pm 
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just sakcing Mick alone would simply be another deflection away from the true sickness

So just keep him then eh?


no, but it won't fix things


True but the board need to sit down with Mick and tell him he won't be there next year as they are heading in another direction (i.e Rebuild). They would like him to see the year out and help develop the next crop of players and leave with his head held high. Selection will be in consultation with SOS and a positive form of football will be played (no tagging). If he is prepared to do that then announce it.

It then takes all the heat out of this media attention. Mick is on a "farewell tour" like Sheedy had and will be lauded, there is no pressure and the expectations on Carlton are low and we will be left alone.

Also, allows us time to go through a "Process" for selecting the next coach and his team.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:08 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Rexy wrote:
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just sakcing Mick alone would simply be another deflection away from the true sickness

So just keep him then eh?


no, but it won't fix things


True but the board need to sit down with Mick and tell him he won't be there next year as they are heading in another direction (i.e Rebuild). They would like him to see the year out and help develop the next crop of players and leave with his head held high. Selection will be in consultation with SOS and a positive form of football will be played (no tagging). If he is prepared to do that then announce it.

It then takes all the heat out of this media attention. Mick is on a "farewell tour" like Sheedy had and will be lauded, there is no pressure and the expectations on Carlton are low and we will be left alone.

Also, allows us time to go through a "Process" for selecting the next coach and his team.


I like it, but the same plan didn't work to well at Collingwood :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:43 pm 
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To be fair BV, if we'd kept Richardson for much longer he'd almost be getting paid in the same bracket as an entry level senior coach, which is silly money for an assistant, especially under current AFL rules.


And you're basing that on what exactly Jim?

The way he was chasing every head coach job under the sun?

Do you think we would have held onto him this year and last?


So are you suggesting we are better of without him anyway because he was well credentialed and ambitious?
I'm unsure of your point.
AFAIC, you hold on to good people as long as you can. Getting rid of them because they'll probably get poached down the track anyway makes zero business sense to me. Mind you, I suspect Mick might be on your wavelength.

I wasn't suggesting that at all, just that Richardson was something of a moot point; he was never going to have a long term impact at the club.

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didn't the current president ensure no challenge to his reign by creating a committee of which he is a member of to facilitate anyone looking to challenge him.

The club is a toy that everyone wants to play with unfortunately so there is no escaping that. We are [REDACTED] every which way.

Not accurate, see half a dozen threads in which Synbad has brought up the INC (the committee you're referring to).

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:15 pm 
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Strong suggestions @CarltonFC Assistant Dean Laidley could be #Blues interim coach as early as Monday. #mickmalthouse forced to stand aside

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:19 pm 
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Tony Sheahan was the one who spread rumours about one of our players being caught for clembuterol so I wouldn't be that concerned about Laidley yet.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:20 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
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People wouldn't hear a bad word about the players at the end of 2012...


Yeah, nah.

The players have always been mentally soft. Back then I put that at the fault of Ratts and hoped that Malthouse, if nothing else, would sort them out and give them more belief and a harder/stronger mental toughness.

That hasn't happened. They're still a pack of handbags.

Until we get some sort of monumental shake up at board level and a board/CEO/coach all pulling in the same clear and united direction our players have got no hope of overcoming their shortfalls.

Well said...

Back then they were known as... flat track bullies, downhill skiers... couldn't beat the top 4 teams etc.

It was hoped that Mick's would teach a hard, defensive aspect to their game to compliment their abilities.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:27 pm 
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I have a staff member who's the best I've had for a while. I'm aware I'm going to lose her at some point because she's been with me four years and she's smart and driven and she's going to go and do her own thing when she's ready. I've seen it before and it's inevitable. And it's a good thing.

At the moment I'm in the middle of working out a mentoring relationship with her so that when she's ready to leave she's actually ready and I've done everything I possibly can to help her on her way.

Part of that mentoring system is a responsibility that will be placed upon her to challenge every single thing I do. Another responsibility of hers will be to write up the whole experience so we have the beginnings of a program in place for any future staff members in a similar position.

The relationship between Malthouse and Richardson has crossed my mind more than once during this process.

I have another former staff member who is probably the best I've worked with. She's a star. She left my company to return to further study. A couple of years later someone I know was looking for someone to fill a difficult position and I put them in touch. They hit it off and she's now that person's right hand and finally working in the field she truly wanted to be working in with one of Australia's gurus. A side effect of that experience was that the guru who gave her the job then saw my company in a new light and gave us exclusivity for a significant portion of her work. She then put in a good word for us with a major public institution which looks like providing about an extra 20% of revenue this year.

The reason I mention all of this is because I'm traumatised every time I lose a great employee but I can see that it's inevitable. So then you have a choice. Do you head down the path of mutually beneficial endeavours or do you cut and burn those who aren't "loyal"?

We have a dysfunctional club. Why is it that Hawthorn in the last 30 years has produced more than 10 senior coaches and a plethora of respected assistants and Carlton has produced 1 senior coach (at it's own club) and not a whole lot more?

If anyone wants to get to the heart of what's wrong with our club I think that question is somewhere near the centre of it.

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Great post GWS.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 9:25 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
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To be fair BV, if we'd kept Richardson for much longer he'd almost be getting paid in the same bracket as an entry level senior coach, which is silly money for an assistant, especially under current AFL rules.


And you're basing that on what exactly Jim?

The way he was chasing every head coach job under the sun?

Do you think we would have held onto him this year and last?


So are you suggesting we are better of without him anyway because he was well credentialed and ambitious?
I'm unsure of your point.
AFAIC, you hold on to good people as long as you can. Getting rid of them because they'll probably get poached down the track anyway makes zero business sense to me. Mind you, I suspect Mick might be on your wavelength.

I wasn't suggesting that at all, just that Richardson was something of a moot point; he was never going to have a long term impact at the club.

Juanita Jones wrote:
didn't the current president ensure no challenge to his reign by creating a committee of which he is a member of to facilitate anyone looking to challenge him.

The club is a toy that everyone wants to play with unfortunately so there is no escaping that. We are [REDACTED] every which way.

Not accurate, see half a dozen threads in which Synbad has brought up the INC (the committee you're referring to).

If it's not accurate why did he do it?
Lol

Sitting on an independent review committee to check out who might be threatening him and stamping then as unworthy means you're wrong.
How is it independent Jim?
You comedienne talk banana language

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:34 pm 
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GWS you make some good points but the AFL market for coaches isn't quite as egalitarian as that, though I wouldn't know where Richardson fits into that picture.

Synners, you've already said he can't block anyone from standing, which is what JJ was suggesting is the case. He can't do that.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:42 pm 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/j ... 7366567248

CARLTON back line coach John Barker has firmed as the likely interim coach if the Blues pulls the plug on besieged coach Michael Malthouse.

The Blues remained adamant on Sunday Malthouse would remain in charge ahead of Friday night’s clash against Sydney Swans despite searing pressure on the club to act after another insipid performance against Geelong.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:53 pm 
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Read...

Laidley not willing to push the knife in and we're left with a Nuff nuff with one sad shot at the big time?

Oh lord we're woeful.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:56 pm 
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The Madhouse has already had his rebuild :lol: and now we are a laughing stock. The whole football world knows about the mess he has made ... and yet we still hear the same old denials and blame shifting from within the supporter base. He was going to be the finisher ... he would toughen up the side etc etc etc ... :lol: :lol: :lol: :banghead:

Its both tragic and hilarious at the same time.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:02 pm 
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He was told on Wednesdsy that it was most unlikely he'd be coaching at Carlton in 2016. There was an agreement it wouldn't be made public and he could go out with dignity later in the year.

On Thursday, less than 24 hrs later, his ego took over and he struck out at the club. Called their bluff, hoped they'd blink, and he got it wrong.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:11 pm 
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yay!


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Malthouse was only stating how the players really feel. The players a deflated after being written off by the club after just rd 2. This is coming from one of the players mouths.

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Can we jazz it up a bit by doing a Pagan-sakced-but-not-sakced manouvre this week? That would be good for lols

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As much as I think that the Madhouse should go as quickly as possible ... its a scarey thought that Barker could take over! :roll:

Better Madhouse that Barker.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:24 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Rexy wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
Rexy wrote:
just sakcing Mick alone would simply be another deflection away from the true sickness

So just keep him then eh?


no, but it won't fix things


True but the board need to sit down with Mick and tell him he won't be there next year as they are heading in another direction (i.e Rebuild). They would like him to see the year out and help develop the next crop of players and leave with his head held high. Selection will be in consultation with SOS and a positive form of football will be played (no tagging). If he is prepared to do that then announce it.

It then takes all the heat out of this media attention. Mick is on a "farewell tour" like Sheedy had and will be lauded, there is no pressure and the expectations on Carlton are low and we will be left alone.

Also, allows us time to go through a "Process" for selecting the next coach and his team.


I agree. Said similar last week. Just tell everyone what is going on .Id imagine that could mean we are breaking some sort of afl rule where teams are meant to try and win each week but if it isnt breaking a rule then just come out and tell us all that the rest of the season will be development and that the club believe Mick is the man for that job.


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