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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 12:03 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
It's fair to say after 9 rounds our wings are of no upgrade on last year thus far and we wasted our opportunity at the draft/trade table to address the real areas that needed addressing.

No it isn’t.

The wings are an enormous upgrade on what we had last year. Whether or not they’re relevant is another argument.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 12:10 pm 
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Trade to Westcoast (assuming they finish 18th) for 2023 No. 1 pick + 2024 3rd Round Pick.

2023, 2024 1st Round Pick
2024 2nd Round Pick
Zac Fisher

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 12:14 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Trade to Westcoast (assuming they finish 18th) for 2023 No. 1 pick + 2024 3rd Round Pick.

2023, 2024 1st Round Pick
2024 2nd Round Pick
Zac Fisher


The way we’re travelling we could get pick 6 this year. I’d be seeing what GC want for their first this year. Would they take ours next year and our fourth rounders this year?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 12:30 pm 
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Interesting engaging with the pies hierarchy yesterday and understanding their perspective on us and their own path.

I subscribe to their view that lists are all similar in terms of talent and potential gaps. Timing and development are the differentiators with talent.

At all points in time a list will have gaps. The pies would talk to a lack of key position strength (forwards and back - to support Moore). It’s how you work with the talent you have that makes the difference - development and game plan, supported by an appropriate culture.

Yesterday, on the biggest stage we once again demonstrated poor execution and an absolute lack of connection with a group that is capable of so much more. Typically, our default has been to rebuild - with a new coach or new set of players.

My focus would be on making the call to clean out those 4 or 5 players that are consistently injured. It impacts our depth and agility. And significantly id be reviewing the structure and talent that supports Voss.

Let’s be ruthless and courageous and build rather than re-build.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 12:45 pm 
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Agree London no flexibility to adapt list with Marchbank Cunningham Martin Williams Philp always injured
Add McGovern to that as well

Doesn’t help either that a few of them are on significant bucks

It really annoys me that stocker and perhaps Setterfield both solid rather than anything else are likely to play finals but we are not

Need to be surgical with list cutting No point having Dow Fogarty etc if they aren’t getting a senior game


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 12:50 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Interesting engaging with the pies hierarchy yesterday and understanding their perspective on us and their own path.

I subscribe to their view that lists are all similar in terms of talent and potential gaps. Timing and development are the differentiators with talent.

At all points in time a list will have gaps. The pies would talk to a lack of key position strength (forwards and back - to support Moore). It’s how you work with the talent you have that makes the difference - development and game plan, supported by an appropriate culture.

Yesterday, on the biggest stage we once again demonstrated poor execution and an absolute lack of connection with a group that is capable of so much more. Typically, our default has been to rebuild - with a new coach or new set of players.

My focus would be on making the call to clean out those 4 or 5 players that are consistently injured. It impacts our depth and agility. And significantly id be reviewing the structure and talent that supports Voss.

Let’s be ruthless and courageous and build rather than re-build.



Good post lb. Because our list was so terrible post Malthouse, I get the feeling the club (including us supporters) have obsessed over building the perfect list as priority over building a winning system.

For once we've had minimal injuries the last 2 weeks & we've still looked the same

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 1:31 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
It's fair to say after 9 rounds our wings are of no upgrade on last year thus far and we wasted our opportunity at the draft/trade table to address the real areas that needed addressing.

No it isn’t.

The wings are an enormous upgrade on what we had last year. Whether or not they’re relevant is another argument.

Yes enormous upgrades.......12.5% kicking efficiency last week, bombing the ball forward to no real advantage, handballs directly to opposition players, 7 kicks to 18 handballs for a wing, 116m gained and that's just Acres.
And Hollands is average to below average in just about every statistic so far this year, let's not forget his bomb kick from a mark to Harry in a 5 on 1 this week.
With quality performances like this I'm surprised we aren't at the top to the ladder.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 1:46 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Interesting engaging with the pies hierarchy yesterday and understanding their perspective on us and their own path.

I subscribe to their view that lists are all similar in terms of talent and potential gaps. Timing and development are the differentiators with talent.

At all points in time a list will have gaps. The pies would talk to a lack of key position strength (forwards and back - to support Moore). It’s how you work with the talent you have that makes the difference - development and game plan, supported by an appropriate culture.

Yesterday, on the biggest stage we once again demonstrated poor execution and an absolute lack of connection with a group that is capable of so much more. Typically, our default has been to rebuild - with a new coach or new set of players.

My focus would be on making the call to clean out those 4 or 5 players that are consistently injured. It impacts our depth and agility. And significantly id be reviewing the structure and talent that supports Voss.

Let’s be ruthless and courageous and build rather than re-build.



I agree

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 1:54 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
london blue wrote:
Interesting engaging with the pies hierarchy yesterday and understanding their perspective on us and their own path.

I subscribe to their view that lists are all similar in terms of talent and potential gaps. Timing and development are the differentiators with talent.

At all points in time a list will have gaps. The pies would talk to a lack of key position strength (forwards and back - to support Moore). It’s how you work with the talent you have that makes the difference - development and game plan, supported by an appropriate culture.

Yesterday, on the biggest stage we once again demonstrated poor execution and an absolute lack of connection with a group that is capable of so much more. Typically, our default has been to rebuild - with a new coach or new set of players.

My focus would be on making the call to clean out those 4 or 5 players that are consistently injured. It impacts our depth and agility. And significantly id be reviewing the structure and talent that supports Voss.

Let’s be ruthless and courageous and build rather than re-build.


I agree

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And I'll add our lack of speed is a major differential to us and most of the top teams, if we had more speed we'd be a lot closer to the top of the ladder, especially in the midfield group.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 3:08 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 4:24 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
It's fair to say after 9 rounds our wings are of no upgrade on last year thus far and we wasted our opportunity at the draft/trade table to address the real areas that needed addressing.

No it isn’t.

The wings are an enormous upgrade on what we had last year. Whether or not they’re relevant is another argument.

Yes enormous upgrades.......12.5% kicking efficiency last week, bombing the ball forward to no real advantage, handballs directly to opposition players, 7 kicks to 18 handballs for a wing, 116m gained and that's just Acres.
And Hollands is average to below average in just about every statistic so far this year, let's not forget his bomb kick from a mark to Harry in a 5 on 1 this week.
With quality performances like this I'm surprised we aren't at the top to the ladder.

I’m sorry mate. I didn’t realise the extent of your dysmorphia.

I’ll leave you be.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 4:29 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Interesting engaging with the pies hierarchy yesterday and understanding their perspective on us and their own path.

I subscribe to their view that lists are all similar in terms of talent and potential gaps. Timing and development are the differentiators with talent.

At all points in time a list will have gaps. The pies would talk to a lack of key position strength (forwards and back - to support Moore). It’s how you work with the talent you have that makes the difference - development and game plan, supported by an appropriate culture.

Yesterday, on the biggest stage we once again demonstrated poor execution and an absolute lack of connection with a group that is capable of so much more. Typically, our default has been to rebuild - with a new coach or new set of players.

My focus would be on making the call to clean out those 4 or 5 players that are consistently injured. It impacts our depth and agility. And significantly id be reviewing the structure and talent that supports Voss.

Let’s be ruthless and courageous and build rather than re-build.

I just can’t get my mind away from the dual roles that Luke Power occupies.

In terms of cap spend, Dan O’Keeffe was replaced with a very green Ebert & a duplication in Lonergan.

That can’t be how year two was drawn up when Vossy signed on.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 4:34 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
It's fair to say after 9 rounds our wings are of no upgrade on last year thus far and we wasted our opportunity at the draft/trade table to address the real areas that needed addressing.

No it isn’t.

The wings are an enormous upgrade on what we had last year. Whether or not they’re relevant is another argument.

Yes enormous upgrades.......12.5% kicking efficiency last week, bombing the ball forward to no real advantage, handballs directly to opposition players, 7 kicks to 18 handballs for a wing, 116m gained and that's just Acres.
And Hollands is average to below average in just about every statistic so far this year, let's not forget his bomb kick from a mark to Harry in a 5 on 1 this week.
With quality performances like this I'm surprised we aren't at the top to the ladder.

I’m sorry mate. I didn’t realise the extent of your dysmorphia.

I’ll leave you be.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 4:36 pm 
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I reckon Walsh should be captain, just saying.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 6:37 pm 
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I havent wanted to point this out before, but this little ripper carved us up yesterday. Fast, good kick and clean hands

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How I would love that trade to have gone differently


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 7:19 pm 
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The Stocker kid goes well across half back as well.......defends and attacks.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 7:58 pm 
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I havent wanted to point this out before, but this little ripper carved us up yesterday. Fast, good kick and clean hands

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How I would love that trade to have gone differently



Oh my :sad:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 8:11 pm 
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- 3 of the 4 in between are no longer on a list.
- We actively traded back in to get Stocker from that position, why would a team that finished last year the before actively trade a future first-round pick, just to nab a small forward? It's not exactly a "pick the best available" scenario there given we could have easily chosen to keep pick 4 for 2019 instead.
- Motlop's numbers far outweigh Hill's in his second season, despite Hill playing in a better side that got more ball inside 50.

Ridiculous.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 8:18 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
Who are our pricks?

Who are the blokes that will come at the opposition physically?

Who is our Maynard? De Goey? We haven't got anyone...

Need some pricks. No more lovely boys you can take home to mum.


Yep . We need a few blokes with a bit of shit in them . Been sayin" it for years .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 9:25 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
GMCbris wrote:
I havent wanted to point this out before, but this little ripper carved us up yesterday. Fast, good kick and clean hands

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How I would love that trade to have gone differently



Oh my :sad:


Don't worry bondi... it's not as bad as us choosing Zac Fisher ahead of Shai Bolton.

Imagine Shai Bolton and Bobby Hill running around with Mots at the feet of Charlie and Big H.

Talk about a mosquito fleet?! :cry:

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