I discussed the similarities between now and early 2000s with a mate on the weekend. Not the same severity but similar pattern:

Poor drafting
Complacent list management
Reliance on a handful of aging stars (the stars were better and older in 2001)
Too many limited rookie types in important roles - Plunkett, Hulme, Porter, Franchina, Fletcher, Freeborn
Chase quick fix instead of solid development program
Injury-affected year leads to coach getting sacked and replaced by multiple flag winner
Clueless Kernahan
Panic
Look for the next big thing because no faith in recruitment, development or culture.

Youd think in a decade we wouldnt fall for the same thing TWO times.

Nothing coming through and cheque book recruiting as older stars die

Were still at 2000 that was already behind where the AFL was then.... and now its 2013.The philosophy of the footy club is still the same...!!!....

Oh and remember back then we had a president who was short of true ideas but also refused to step down...

Just a pointer...

But ... do you guys think we need an indie review of the whole footy club from top to bottom??

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Spot on Rexy I agree with your sentiments,recruiting and player development has been a disaster

What was that line that Churchill said about history.

By god that's a damn spooky set of similarities.

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And the president who wont go away and thinks hes the answer...


ok so we have estabished as an organisation we still have the same mindset today as we did a decade ago...
The problem is deeprooted within the clubs culture of not understanding the trends of the modern times...

Do you think the board thinks the same???
If so why do they allow the same mistakes to keep happening year in year out... decade in decade out??

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All that time and were back here...

Frightening isnt it??

Except by the time we realise it this time there will be no priority picks to rest our hat on.

So we better change our ways....

No matter how i look it this an independent review of the footy club is the way to go.....

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But we tanked - got 3 number 1's and a number 2, 3 and 6 and 9 plus we traded for the best player in comp
The club followed the blueprint for success - Bottom out load up on picks and wait until they mature
This was your blueprint Synners you banged on about it day after day after day - Whilst others on here were saying its not good to create a losing environment - But you called us all idiots

The culture is set - its ok to lose we set that trying to get Murph Gibbs and Kruezer -

We wont be any good until everyone associated with the spoon years is gone - The team needs to front up each week with its best side on the park and try to win and they should have done in 5,6,7 years ago

Tanking has caused the problem players accept losing to easily

Malthouse looked at this list and licked his chops looked at what number they were taken and said this will be easy
He has got it wrong on every account he even thought we had improved on last year ( our biggest losing margin was only 17 points) . Pagan did the same thing - It happens when you get old

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Look at the 2009 draft as an example - interesting only the three picks. Often we've seen the club say 'we don't rate the draft beyond a certain point' as to why they won't have more picks. You see other clubs (such as Geelong) keep picking because they back their development to turn them into good players.

Lucas
Davies
Kerr

Compared to Geelong

Menzel
Duncan
Christensen
Vardy
Cowan

Look at the kicking ability of the three Carlton drafted compared with Geelong. Kerr had good skills but rarely got the ball. Menzel, Duncan, Christensen all good kicks - look at the way Lucas and Davies put the ball to boot.

Interesting Geelong don't spend much on ruckmen - Simpson (34), West (31), Vardy (42), Blicavs (rookie), McIntosh (FA).

Fair enough load up on ruckmen but it's interesting how Ratten and the list managers thought it was a good idea to spend quite a bit on ruckmen even though they would have been aware of proposed changes to the interchange/introduction of the sub.

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think of the team without judd murphy gibbs kreuzer ....
think of it with more russell watson austin hampson bower calibre picks

i never saig tank and go to sleep.

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We should have followed the swans model - and I have been saying that for years - Be competitive when ever you can and when the comp falls to sleep jump up and take a flag . They want to win up here every game every week -

tanking has caused the mind set amongst the playing group - impossible to change that now - Its not about going to sleep

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Who is they?

You mean Sticks and Co???

And the recruiters???

You mean they should have gone out and got a new president.. CEO and coach.. Kinnear Beatson etc... chosen the Swans players.. and developed them like the Swans?????

Ok so why didnt Sticks do that????
Why didnt the CEO do that?
Why didnt the recruiters do that?
Why didnt development do that???
Why couldnt a coach who has been there 5 plus years do that???.... instead in 2 years we have Scotland Judd Carrazzo Simpson and McLean finished up.. Walker a nd JAmo goes to where they are age wise.. and Murph and Gibbs going to where they are....

Why couldnt the club orrganise itself with everything it was gifted to take full toll?
Dont ask me after we took those players... who are our best more weeks.. i questioned that!!!... you said we were "young"

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Anyway... i didnt think were following the Swans model.. i thought we have been following the Geelong model anyway... much more succesful... were ambitious!!.. why the Swans model???

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Syd you fail to realise... the reason why we are crap.. is because we follow the AFL Carlton model...
We do nothng different today than we did more than a decade ago..

same mentality.....

ITS THE CAAARRRLTON MODEL!!!!!


You disagree??.. lets debate this!!!

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they didn't do it because they thought bottoming out was the way to go - I said it was wrong all along - Losing for picks was a total cock up -they should never had done it - You say where would we be without Judd Murph Kruez and Gibbs - I don't know we might have got Selwood - Cotchin - Jack - Pendlebury and co

There are plenty of players taken after our number 1 that are playing better football than these blokes we have

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also I never said we followed the swans model -I said we should have

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So of the picks we got not bottoming out... and collecting number 1s...

whos been good???

Of our picks...!!!... are u saying because we got the best picks we couldnt get the players our recruiting people wanted??

WTF are you saying????

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OK Syd,,, lets say we picked up shit with our number 1 picks and Chris Judd is shit and didnt help us...and they have been retarding us.....

Who that wasnt a number 1 pick did we get that is a very good???...

Lets settle this argument...!!!

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I'm saying that the tanking has caused a losing mentality amongst the playing group

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i said and how do we follow a swans model with what we have around our club off field.. and how we set ourselves up considering they have their people and we think ours are excellent.. want me to dig up where you said sticks and co were great everything is improved??

Tell me how do we do what the swans do .. when we have people around the club that do what we do??

hypnotise them????????????????????????????????????????????????

im not following you... did you want our guys to be the same people the same thinkers but to do what the swans do???

i thought you were happy with our guys doing what carlton guys do!!!...

now u ...??... what are u saying???

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what is your evidence its tanking and not the club set up?
recruiting development coaching etc

Evidence of this is what???... is it opinion or fact

Mick tanked at collingwood and win a flag from it...

Whats our excuse???

Tanking caused Watson to be crap??... or pick a name...???

Explain yourself...!!!!

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