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aramari
PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:34 pm 
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Ratten's most damaging error relating to this game was made in October


:garthp: :donk: :garthp: :donk: :hitcomputer: foe


Have I been banging on about McLean too much? Thought I'd make a more oblique reference this time :thumbsup:
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Virgin Blue
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I wanted him sacked after the Ess game, bec in my view we are a better team than they and yet under Ratten we seem incapable of beating that mob

But he (and the MC) did well since that game by virtue of making the back and fwdlines quicker

But all I am questionning after today's game is whether 150 pts was part of the plan today. Did he voluntarily decide to have a shoot out?

If his plan is for us to be much more defensively minded and oriented, then today was a clear backward step for him and the club

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aramari
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I wanted him sacked after the Ess game, bec in my view we are a better team than they and yet under Ratten we seem incapable of beating that mob

But he (and the MC) did well since that game by virtue of making the back and fwdlines quicker

But all I am questionning after today's game is whether 150 pts was part of the plan today. Did he voluntarily decide to have a shoot out?

If his plan is for us to be much more defensively minded and oriented, then today was a clear backward step for him and the club


I don't see why your question garnered such vitriol
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aramari wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
aramari wrote:
Ratten's most damaging error relating to this game was made in October


:garthp: :donk: :garthp: :donk: :hitcomputer: foe


Have I been banging on about McLean too much? Thought I'd make a more oblique reference this time :thumbsup:


What do you think ’dem’ smileys are for, Aramie? Do you think the more abuse DS gives to his computer will make Brocky play better? Hmm... :?

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Virgin Blue
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aramari wrote:
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I wanted him sacked after the Ess game, bec in my view we are a better team than they and yet under Ratten we seem incapable of beating that mob

But he (and the MC) did well since that game by virtue of making the back and fwdlines quicker

But all I am questionning after today's game is whether 150 pts was part of the plan today. Did he voluntarily decide to have a shoot out?

If his plan is for us to be much more defensively minded and oriented, then today was a clear backward step for him and the club


I don't see why your question garnered such vitriol


It's bec this place is full of smart arses

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Nick
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If the West Coast coaching panel gets the arse at the end of the year, wouldn't mind Worsfold in some sort of senior assistant role, just someone to take the pressure off given he's won a grand final.

Dunno if Worsfold can control his ego to be beneath someone though.
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99prelim
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kingkerna wrote:
There are two types of supporters contributing to this thread, those that support the club and those that almost revel in losses and seem happiest when we lose.

I just wish the second type would go back to supporting Richmond.



There are also two types of parents, those who'll not hear a bad word said about their cherubic offspring, no matter how many times the drug squad come knocking on the door, or the suspension phonecall is made by the school

And there is the parent who sets high expectations for their kids.....yes sometimes they get it wrong and expect too much, but by and large, the kid grows up knowing that the ir path in life coulld have been a whole lot different had they not had parents who showed some discipline

Obviously the first type of supporter followed the saints of the 80s in a previous life; cheering them on at half time at moorabin when they were only 30 points down

I DON't WANT RATTEN SACKED, but FFS, we are all well within our rights to question

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kingkerna wrote:
There are two types of supporters contributing to this thread, those that support the club and those that almost revel in losses and seem happiest when we lose.

I just wish the second type would go back to supporting Richmond.


I am insulted by that kk !

just like every player & every employee at any organisation, we need to conitnually assess everyone's performance on a weekly basis. Only then are you able to make an educated conclusion at the end of each year on the future direction of each person!

Why is b ratten immune from objective assessment on a regular basis ?????

re-read my post ! there were positives today from b ratten and the coaching panel which I included in my post....

but why are we treated like traitors for daring to question certain aspects of the coaching that we disagree with...

1. the decision not to play waite and/or thornton surely backfired (given both white and hendo struggled)....or do you disagree ?

2. the recruiting decisions of johnson and mclean are not seemingly paying the dividends that we thought at this stage....or do you disagree ?
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kingkerna
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question sure, question with intent to just be a troll is another thing.

Crap analogy also by the way.

We just have to be realistic, we aren't quite there yet but we are on the way, yet people are carrying on like Richmond supporters. Relax, enjoy the ride, if we don't make the 8 then bitch and moan.

If J & K and VB were/are parents there kids would have a complex.

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kingkerna
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livolover wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
There are two types of supporters contributing to this thread, those that support the club and those that almost revel in losses and seem happiest when we lose.

I just wish the second type would go back to supporting Richmond.


I am insulted by that kk !

just like every player & every employee at any organisation, we need to conitnually assess everyone's performance on a weekly basis. Only then are you able to make an educated conclusion at the end of each year on the future direction of each person! you can assess on a weekly basis but don't make long term decisions based on that assessment

Why is b ratten immune from objective assessment on a regular basis ????? he's not, and I am the first to comment when he lets himself down, but I don't rub my hands together with glee at doing it.

re-read my post ! there were positives today from b ratten and the coaching panel which I included in my post....

but why are we treated like traitors for daring to question certain aspects of the coaching that we disagree with...

1. the decision not to play waite and/or thornton surely backfired (given both white and hendo struggled)....or do you disagree ? were you saying that last week? Thought White was ok today, won't be dropped

2. the recruiting decisions of johnson and mclean are not seemingly paying the dividends that we thought at this stage....or do you disagree ?
If you don't see the good things that Mclean is doing then it's not my fault

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Juddy&theKruezers
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Kouta wrote:
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No you cant blame today on Rattan , I concur.

We were the more talented team..and he was outcoached.


Not his fault...the pies are more experienced....we're young...we're developing....we need more time and uhmmm we are 5 or 10 players away from being a good team... :grin:

You're another 1500 posts from writing something interesting and thought provoking.

The Pies made the most of their chances whilst Carlton blew their chances and mucked around with the ball under pressure.

Send Ratten out there to kick the ball.

Yet Ratten is glossed over after we eeked back their lead in the third quarter. :sly:

Next we'll read that Kreuzer is a better forward than ruck and Ellard is better than Mclean...

:banghead: :hitcomputer:


Mate I'm off the bandwagon...I didn't mention him once as to blame for this loss....again we're young we're developing and we don't have the team as yet....no mention of the coach anywhere..we live to fight another day...bring on the saints!!!

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kingkerna wrote:
question sure, question with intent to just be a troll is another thing.

Crap analogy also by the way.

We just have to be realistic, we aren't quite there yet but we are on the way, yet people are carrying on like Richmond supporters. Relax, enjoy the ride, if we don't make the 8 then bitch and moan.

If J & K and VB were/are parents there kids would have a complex.



God I hope the CFC don't follow the edict you set in your third line. Memo Ratts: No need for continuous feedback/appraisal/critical reflection/re-aligning objectives. Let's just relax and enjoy it. We'll discuss it at the end of the year if we don't make the 8. In fact, Ratts doesnt even need to be there on match day. Set the strategies and have a beer with his mates at a pub. Just relax and enjoy the game. And if we lose, then he can bitch and moan.

Anyway, I've wasted enough time on one of the more ridiculous things I've read on this site

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kingkerna wrote:
question sure, question with intent to just be a troll is another thing.

Crap analogy also by the way.

We just have to be realistic, we aren't quite there yet but we are on the way, yet people are carrying on like Richmond supporters. Relax, enjoy the ride, if we don't make the 8 then bitch and moan.

If J & K and VB were/are parents there kids would have a complex.


Are you deaf!!! I said I'm off the Ratts thing...you hear????

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your sig says it all, and you would not want to be proven wrong. I never said that ratts should sit back and relax either but paint it how you want to

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Thorton and Waite :garthp: We were done around the stoppages and in the midfield and out of our forward line - Waite will not help that and T-Bird will not help that. We fumbled., we missed targets, our tackles didn't stick. Waite will not help that and T-Bird will not help that. They'll get their chances but in the end its the stoppages, the kicks entering our forward 50, the midfield run and support and tackles that cost us today, nothing whatsoever to do with Waite and T-Bird.

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dannyboy wrote:
Thorton and Waite :garthp: We were done around the stoppages and in the midfield and out of our forward line - Waite will not help that and T-Bird will not help that. We fumbled., we missed targets, our tackles didn't stick. Waite will not help that and T-Bird will not help that. They'll get their chances but in the end its the stoppages, the kicks entering our forward 50, the midfield run and support and tackles that cost us today, nothing whatsoever to do with Waite and T-Bird.


100% correct...laziness in the middle..

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32 pages of Drivel.
Either We win or We lose.
He a god one week and the devil the next.

DOA was houndeed by stuff written here by those "in the know" of rumour and inuendo.
This is just a very poor thread.
Most of what is written on the site calls for insightful discussion.
This is just an avenue to take an un named POT SHOT

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Thorton and Waite :garthp: We were done around the stoppages and in the midfield and out of our forward line - Waite will not help that and T-Bird will not help that. We fumbled., we missed targets, our tackles didn't stick. Waite will not help that and T-Bird will not help that. They'll get their chances but in the end its the stoppages, the kicks entering our forward 50, the midfield run and support and tackles that cost us today, nothing whatsoever to do with Waite and T-Bird.

After being fantastic the week before.

Personally when I'm calling for White & Henderson to be dropped for Waite & Thornton, I'm not saying they cost us the game. The midfield's mindset definitely cost us the game (and won it the week before), but White continually gets left behind by his opponent because he can't hold his ground. They're now focussing on his opponent because he's a good chance to get wide open. Thornton had this problem only when he didn't man his opponent, or when he played on Jonathan Brown.

And at the other end we have Henderson who is dropping his marks now and fluffing his kicks after managing to do those week after week despite his nervous set shots for goal. Now we just have a tall guy with good endurance. He needs to go back, get some touch and then come back in. That's what Waite has gone and done.

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While White and Henderson are being mentioned. Henderson for sure should be dropped as Waite played really well in the VFL.

But White was simply outmuscled by Dawes. He is more a flanker than a key position. He moves well and is a lovely kick. I was right behind the goal he kicked. It never looked like missing. Magnificent. He would be unlucky to be dropped for Thornton who isn't much bigger and won't get any better. With a tall in Waite back, I would also bring in a hard tackler and runner like Grigg for McLean.

And without saying Ratts should be sacked, the pies kick ins! Where were our zones. How many times did Heath Shaw chip it to himself and run off or do a one two with a team mate and away they go.

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Virgin Blue wrote:
aramari wrote:
Virgin Blue wrote:
I wanted him sacked after the Ess game, bec in my view we are a better team than they and yet under Ratten we seem incapable of beating that mob

But he (and the MC) did well since that game by virtue of making the back and fwdlines quicker

But all I am questionning after today's game is whether 150 pts was part of the plan today. Did he voluntarily decide to have a shoot out?

If his plan is for us to be much more defensively minded and oriented, then today was a clear backward step for him and the club


I don't see why your question garnered such vitriol


It's bec this place is full of smart arses


I thought this place was just full of dumb arses.

No offence drewgirl and sydney blue.

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