I remember them talking to Voss, MAthews, Mckenna and Bond. I am sure they looked into a few more behind the scenes also that were kept quiet for obvious reasons.

Which clubs have used an professional process in selecting a coach go through them

Adelaide - Neil Craig - 300 game plus favorite son of the SAFL - process sought of -acheived any thing no

Brisbane - Voss - no process - success - so far looking ok- before Voss used all their available resources to get Matthews - no process just money

Carlton - Ratts appointed assistant under Pagan took over when Pagan sacked was appointed after 6 straight losses- process - sought of - success - 50/50 at this stage

Collingwood- Malthouse - Eddie got who he wanted - success - no

Essendon- Knights - coaching VFL reserves took over when Sheedy sacked - Apppointed - process sought of - but how would Carlton supporters feel about his selection of assistants - success 50/50

Freo- Harvey- undermined previous coach as an assistant - no process just appointed - success - no

Geelong - Thompson - first appointment no process half way through an extensive review that still appointed him again - success yes

Hawthorn - Clarkson- massive process conducted by Dunstall and Parkin - success -yes

Melbourne- Bailey - process yes - success - no

North - Laidley - process yes - success no - going through the process again

Port - Williams - favorite son returned home - now cant afford him success mostly

Richmond- Wallace- interviewed many so was there a process you say yes - success - no

StKilda - Lyons - Process conducted by Walls imagine if that happen at Carlton - success - not yet

Sydney - Roos - selected by fans after taking over as assistant - success - yes

Bulldogs- Eade- Process yes - success- not yet

West coast - favorite son return home after being an assistant - not unlike Ratts - success yes


to me the only team that has tasted premiership success after going through an exhaustive coaching selection process is Hawthorn and they are not travelling to well this year - Lyons looks to be on the money but heaven forbid if Sticks or Pratt or Swan appointed Walls the job of finding our next coach or in Hawthorns case Parkin - The old boys club would be trotted out again

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I think what we can learn from successful teams of the last couple of years is that ALL 22 players who run out on the ground must have an uncompromising mindset of 100% attack at the ball and contest. Mark Blakes lack off attack at the contest on Sunday stood out and and he'll no doubt cop some heat for that.

As a 22 player team, we don't have and we haven't had that mindset for a long while and until we have 22 players who committ to that mindset we'll be middle of the rung no matter what game style and tactics are being implemented.
I think Ratts is doing the best he can in this respect with a list that contains too many '80%ers'.
No doubt in my mind that some of the bigger omissions this year are related to this and that's a big tick for Ratts.

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Well put.

Like I said, IMO it's a whole team issue, from coach down to the newest rookie. Once the team plays harder footy mentally, then they'll be much harder to beat.

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Synbad has thrown out a few bits of 'bait' suggesting there is some behind the scenes 'angst' at CFC .

My question would be...........................If these people with angst actually exist what makes these people any more right in their thinking than those they are unhappy with. How is it that Synbad can hint that Ratts, Sticks, Icke and Swanny have got things wrong and then know his 'source' has all the right answers. What makes his source any better than those in Power.

Just because there might be some nervous nellie behind the scenes who may or may not have a bee in his bonnet about something that annoys him, that doesn't mean there should be a Royal Commission into all things CFC.

At all clubs there are many people behind the scenes who are just supporters who are simply higher up the food chain than the rest of us. As supporters they still jump at shadows like many supporters on TC. Just like The Cranium posted his public venting on TC many people in coterie groups and on boards vent in private about who they believe is and who isn't capable of certain things within a club. The private then becomes public because that's human nature. Guys like Hutchy thrive on people with big mouths who have an opinion.

In every office, in every building, in every town in the world there is the 3rd in command who believe's he can do a better job than the bloke in charge.

Ego might not be a dirty word but in sporting organisations it's a bigger killer than cancer.

Regards Cazzesman

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Why is he more qualified? Because he has been an assistant FOREVER? Or because he has been tutored under a coach that was elected by the Sydney Swan supporters?

By that reckoning, it would even make Mark Harvey a genius then.

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The Lygon street Pizza Makers want Ratts and Sticks gone

They stirred up a few not so long ago - Dont think it will have the same impact now

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I think it's actually fish and chip shop owners

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If thats the case Elliot would still be around... cos people thought he wasnt doing it right.
Thats such a lame argument Cazz...

Its important that there is vigorous debate and not a sheep flock mentality...

Some people are cynical and some people are sheep....

Might need a compromise but having a go at me for saying there is stuf and divisions about how best to go forward behind the scenes is ridiculous...!!!

lol

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I could've sworn we beat Freo on their home patch on Sunday......I'm sure we came home with a wet sail which had been our

trademark a few weeks ago.....refusing to give in and refusing to be beaten.....I'm positive I was pleased with the result.

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Whats wrong with having a transparent process after the infamous dark years cycle? The clubs was on its knees and called for the supporters to pitch in and help and I think the club owe the supporters no matter how far up or down the food chain a proper process in appointing coaches or anyone else....if Brett Ratten gets the job at the end of that process then fine but Kernahan should have removed himself from the decision making process when a mate was involved in applying.

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I was of the belief that Pratt and Swan were in charge of things when Ratten got appointed

Not Sticks

and Pratt was still around when is contract got extended

To many people make things up to suit their own arguments

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Do you honestly expect people to believe Sticks had nothing to do with Ratts appointment and contract extension? ..

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I think Ratts is doing okay for now. We had to get someone cheap due to the paying out of Pagan's contract and I guess Ratts was the best, and cheapest, option. He played under some great coaches as a player, so no doubt he learned quite a bit from them and he has a passion for the club. If we had gotten someone through 'process' that coach would've just seen it as a job, nothing more. We needed that passion back, and Ratts has brought it back I think.

It won't be long before we poach SOS from the Saints and we can use his knowledge gained from working over there (even though Ross Lyon was an assistant coach for us I think at one stage). Imagine that.

No I don't

But I also don't think he is the duffus some say he is - The RICHEST man in Australia trusted his judgement but a hand full of Pizza making internet bandits think they know better

Same mob nearly stuffed the club 8 years ago - because they thought they knew better

They are starting at it again they did it with Brittain because he tanked to a spoon ( used the system) Now they are starting on Ratts because in the space of 38 games (cant count the first 6) the side is not playing premiership football

They claim he is no good because he was appointed by a mate but when you ask them to name an alternative - They can't

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footy democracy alive and well..

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We shouldn't have to poach SOS from the Saints. He should want to come back.

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Why cant we just judge Ratts on the result at the end of the 2009 home and away season if he makes finals in 2009 i think that would be a success after 2 full years at the helm much more than the highly paid and fancied Pagan got us over 5 years of our darkest times.

I was as pissed with the result against the bombers as it was very different to the most of the season we have had with maybe the excpetion of the Crows match

Crows had a 3 game bad run / Collingwood have had some bad games ie they got belted by the saints and then we beat them comfortably ... Bulldogs have had several bad games in a row ... we beat them twice yet now they are running along showing themselves as the 3 rd best team of the season..

So clearly its better to make a judgment call closer to round 21 or 22 and if we make the 8 well Ratts has done the job and hopefully will get through a couple of games in the finals.

Making finals is what the expectations of the fans, the club, the players and the coach if we achieve this then this a good result for Ratten.. if we miss the 8 then questions may need to be asked depending on how the season ends up

Ok so Synbad has implied that important people are concerned about the coach and the culture of the club.

Cazz - despite admirable use of "mays" - has basically acknowlegde that he's correct, but that this is irrelevant because the person(s) is/are, at the end of the day, just another supporter(s) whose views are no more correct than anyone elses.

As entertaining as all this alludation is (I think I just invented a word, how very shakepearian of me), can't you just tell us who you're both talking about so we can all decide for ourselves how much weight to attach to their whiteanting?

Who is this Voldemort who can't be named?

Well put NC

I asked exactly the same questions a week ago. Hope you have more success than I did. We need to remember that people who undermine really dont like to be identified. I say undermine because anyone with any guts would front up to the next level of administration, be that coterie or employee of the club and vent there, not with someone who likes to fire bullets on here.

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