Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:14 pm

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6991 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313 ... 350  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 2:34 pm 
Online
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Sat May 14, 2005 2:15 pm
Posts: 21531
Location: North of the border
tommi wrote:
Quick question folk.....

and this is a what if...!

what if 10 games in next year...we're 1-9...?

does the club look at BB...and don't get me
wrong here...I like BB...I'm just wondering...
what if...!

hey we could be 9-1...but where's the...
"maybe we should look at this" line...?

I can't lie to yas...I've heard a couple of things
this year...not to do with the players...but more
to do with his approach to the N.B....!

nothing crazy...just with regards to communication
with coaching staff...!

did anyone else close to N.B. see this also...?

I believe we need to give more assistance to
the N.B. ...I get the feeling there's too big
a divide between C.F.C. and them...!


kindest regards tommi





but the 1-9 thing...what if...?



"bump"

I blame you tommi

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 2:49 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:24 am
Posts: 40291
Location: seaside
Cheers Syd....

i remember that...interesting...!

i guess the "what if"...needs to be looked
at hey..!


kindest regards tommi






although i can't help but feel partly
responsible...!

_________________
that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 3:17 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter

Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm
Posts: 14986
SurreyBlue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Don’t ask us whether we’re able to handle the hardship that comes with it, ask Patrick Cripps if he can handle the hardship of another 2 seasons of the hardship until Fisher, Petreski-Seton and Dow are in a position to be able to help him.


:thumbsup:



Crippa has looked, for a better word, ‘deflated’ the past 2 weeks. I’m seriously concerned.

A poster on BF has said that he has heard that the club is concerned about Cripps' body language over the last few weeks.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 3:23 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:06 pm
Posts: 35856
Location: Half back flank
BigBlueWave wrote:
I genuinely believe Ratten was treated badly and did the best he could with a crappy side. In his final year ... the team was ravaged with injury.



It was, but so was the gold coast side that beat us in his final game.

_________________
#DonTheStash


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 3:27 pm 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am
Posts: 28227
kezza wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Don’t ask us whether we’re able to handle the hardship that comes with it, ask Patrick Cripps if he can handle the hardship of another 2 seasons of the hardship until Fisher, Petreski-Seton and Dow are in a position to be able to help him.


:thumbsup:



Crippa has looked, for a better word, ‘deflated’ the past 2 weeks. I’m seriously concerned.

A poster on BF has said that he has heard that the club is concerned about Cripps' body language over the last few weeks.


I'd love to be a fly on the wall in these player only 'truth' sessions to see if the truth is actually being conveyed. I hope Crippa is getting the support he deserves.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:20 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm
Posts: 7354
kezza wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Don’t ask us whether we’re able to handle the hardship that comes with it, ask Patrick Cripps if he can handle the hardship of another 2 seasons of the hardship until Fisher, Petreski-Seton and Dow are in a position to be able to help him.


:thumbsup:



Crippa has looked, for a better word, ‘deflated’ the past 2 weeks. I’m seriously concerned.

A poster on BF has said that he has heard that the club is concerned about Cripps' body language over the last few weeks.

He was visibly distressed and angry after the filth game... I wish more of our players showed such emotion

If the club has issues with that... then @#$%&! this club

_________________
“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:39 pm 
Offline
formerly BlueRob
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm
Posts: 3073
CK95 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
I genuinely believe Ratten was treated badly and did the best he could with a crappy side. In his final year ... the team was ravaged with injury.



It was, but so was the gold coast side that beat us in his final game.



By then ... the writing was on the wall. The rumours about Madhouse were all consuming.
Men with money who did not really understand football were pulling the strings ... not to mention a dysfunctional board. The club was a mess.
Its a miracle we won as many games as we did that year.

Ratten should be the number 1 target if Bolton gets sacked. Certainly not Brad Scott.

This club has been really good at making bad decisions for the last 20 years ... so I am not optimistic about the outcome if Bolton gets the flick.

_________________
I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:53 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:06 pm
Posts: 35856
Location: Half back flank
Quote:
Ratten should be the number 1 target if Bolton gets sacked. Certainly not Brad Scott.



I wouldn't be opposed to that, even though I didn't rate Ratts at the time

_________________
#DonTheStash


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 5:31 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm
Posts: 17219
BigBlueWave wrote:
Ratten should be the number 1 target if Bolton gets sacked.


I'd probably overlook Ratts and I'd doubt he'd want a sequel anyway. Ratts was always more suited as an assistant and the only way he became an assistant and subsequently senior coach is through the club acquiescing to Fraser Brown's demands - and that was then, and this is now. Can't see it happening.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 5:31 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:39 pm
Posts: 1002
camelboy wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-tim-watson-isnt-buying-john-worsfolds-argument-for-the-gift-of-time/news-story/266ca18ea1d053ab30daf71003144462


This exact same argument could be put forward for Bolton
References to Hardwick and Buckley and just plain rubbish


That argument hold no water at all for Bolton.

No one of the coaches that Watson listed started any rebuild or were there for any list turnover.

Even the great Alastair Clarkson took over as coach in 2005 with Deledio, Franklin, Roughead, Lewis, mitchel, Hodge, Croad and Campbell Brown already on the list and still took 4 years to make grand final.

Realistically Bolton would be 2 years behind Clarkson so Bolton can't be looked at in the same way Worsfold is.


Deledio played for the Hawks?! :oops:

Franklin, Roughy and Lewis were drafted in November 2004. Clarkson was appointed coach in September 2004.

Hodge had played 45 games, Mitchell 50.

I get your point, Hawthorn may have had better senior leaders compared with Carlton when Bolton started, but there's no way the Hawks list was established when Clarkson began coaching. Let's not forget he went to his first draft with the most extreme youth policy the game had seen at that time, he also traded out Nathan Thompson (for #10 and #26) and delisted Barlow, McCabe, Tallis (all 100+ games), Graham (240+). The fact he made the GF in only 4 years is still quite remarkable and was ahead of even his own projections.


The point I was making is that the list turnover started a year before Clarkson started and they had the luxury of a pre draft priority pick as well.

Out list turnover started 3 years ago and if you can add another top 3 draft pick as well (Weitering and Clayton Oliver) you effectively gain another year with the list build.

Point I am trying to make is that we should not be judging Bolton on win/losses in effectively his second year and with injury list of last year, realistically first year with a complete list.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 5:46 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter

Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm
Posts: 14986
Hornet wrote:
kezza wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Don’t ask us whether we’re able to handle the hardship that comes with it, ask Patrick Cripps if he can handle the hardship of another 2 seasons of the hardship until Fisher, Petreski-Seton and Dow are in a position to be able to help him.


:thumbsup:



Crippa has looked, for a better word, ‘deflated’ the past 2 weeks. I’m seriously concerned.

A poster on BF has said that he has heard that the club is concerned about Cripps' body language over the last few weeks.

He was visibly distressed and angry after the filth game... I wish more of our players showed such emotion

If the club has issues with that... then @#$%&! this club

I think he meant that the club was worried about him.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 8:38 pm 
Offline
Bruce Comben

Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:09 pm
Posts: 35
Wojee wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
My concern moving forward is that next year we could lose Murphy, Simmo and Kruise, with Doc not having played at this level for 2 years.... leaving a group of under performing kids to fend for themselves :donk:


Murphy and Simpson are bit players these days and Kreuzer struggles to get on the park.


A fit Kruezer is still worth keeping for a few years. As for Murphy and Simmo, well, thanks for your service.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 9:31 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:51 am
Posts: 1291
Rod Waddell wrote:
Any reference to 2017 being a reasonable year is a misnomer:

Agreed by round 12 we were 5-7 and only % outside the top 8. Looking ok at that stage.

The rot set in for the CFC from this point:

1-9 to finish off 2017 (teams selected included senior core Doc and Gibbs) no Cripps for the last 8 rounds
2-20 in 2018 no Gibbs
1-9 current in 2019 no Gibbs

A catastrophe of the highest order.


Only one senior mid of genuine quality during that time frame... not going to beat anyone


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 10:46 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:00 pm
Posts: 24631
Location: Kaloyasena
So we’re only one more senior bodied midfielder and Sam Docherty away from a 10 win, 12 loss season.


:lol:

_________________
"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 11:02 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:51 am
Posts: 1291
AGRO wrote:
So we’re only one more senior bodied midfielder and Sam Docherty away from a 10 win, 12 loss season.


:lol:


You forgot genuine quality :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:49 am 
Offline
Horrie Clover

Joined: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:16 pm
Posts: 352
AGRO wrote:
So we’re only one more senior bodied midfielder and Sam Docherty away from a 10 win, 12 loss season.


:lol:

Funnily enough, if we had them we would likely have beaten hawks, Gold Coast, pies, maybe Sydney, port and the saints.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 8:28 am 
Offline
formerly BlueRob
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm
Posts: 3073
DocSherrin III wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Ratten should be the number 1 target if Bolton gets sacked.


I'd probably overlook Ratts and I'd doubt he'd want a sequel anyway. Ratts was always more suited as an assistant and the only way he became an assistant and subsequently senior coach is through the club acquiescing to Fraser Brown's demands - and that was then, and this is now. Can't see it happening.



If Ratten was always best suited as an assistant, I'd hate to know where you put Pagan and the Madhouse because he clearly was much better as a coach of Carlton than they were.
And now with time and experience he would be even better.

I can see whats gunna happen here ... we will sack Bolton after game 15 and appoint Brad Scott ... DOH! It will be just another dumb decision in a long line of dumb decisions over the last 20 years.

We are so media driven at Carlton ... the media gets into the heads of rich men who then pull the strings and once again we are hung out to dry.

_________________
I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 8:37 am 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:16 pm
Posts: 14600
Location: Sydney
Steve_C7 wrote:

The point I was making is that the list turnover started a year before Clarkson started and they had the luxury of a pre draft priority pick as well.

Out list turnover started 3 years ago and if you can add another top 3 draft pick as well (Weitering and Clayton Oliver) you effectively gain another year with the list build.

Point I am trying to make is that we should not be judging Bolton on win/losses in effectively his second year and with injury list of last year, realistically first year with a complete list.


Yeah but Doc is missing this year, so really, when you think about it, Bolts's first year will be 2020. But that's a leap year, which makes planning difficult, so maybe he can get started in 2021. Or 2022. Or 2029... Oh, but Cripps is retiring that year, let's be fair...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 9:45 am 
Offline
Wayne Johnston

Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm
Posts: 8201
Steve_C7 wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-tim-watson-isnt-buying-john-worsfolds-argument-for-the-gift-of-time/news-story/266ca18ea1d053ab30daf71003144462


This exact same argument could be put forward for Bolton
References to Hardwick and Buckley and just plain rubbish


That argument hold no water at all for Bolton.

No one of the coaches that Watson listed started any rebuild or were there for any list turnover.

Even the great Alastair Clarkson took over as coach in 2005 with Deledio, Franklin, Roughead, Lewis, mitchel, Hodge, Croad and Campbell Brown already on the list and still took 4 years to make grand final.

Realistically Bolton would be 2 years behind Clarkson so Bolton can't be looked at in the same way Worsfold is.




Deledio played for the Hawks?! :oops:

Franklin, Roughy and Lewis were drafted in November 2004. Clarkson was appointed coach in September 2004.

Hodge had played 45 games, Mitchell 50.

I get your point, Hawthorn may have had better senior leaders compared with Carlton when Bolton started, but there's no way the Hawks list was established when Clarkson began coaching. Let's not forget he went to his first draft with the most extreme youth policy the game had seen at that time, he also traded out Nathan Thompson (for #10 and #26) and delisted Barlow, McCabe, Tallis (all 100+ games), Graham (240+). The fact he made the GF in only 4 years is still quite remarkable and was ahead of even his own projections.


The point I was making is that the list turnover started a year before Clarkson started and they had the luxury of a pre draft priority pick as well.

Out list turnover started 3 years ago and if you can add another top 3 draft pick as well (Weitering and Clayton Oliver) you effectively gain another year with the list build.

Point I am trying to make is that we should not be judging Bolton on win/losses in effectively his second year and with injury list of last year, realistically first year with a complete list.

4th year into a rebuild he is judged on win/losses. it's not year 1 or 2. When you are year 4 and won 4 from the last 42, half the losses by 50pts or more, when do you start getting judged by your losses. 15 of the 22 that played Sunday had been at the club have been at the club 3 years or more, mostly more, so not 18yos starting out. 3 others have been on a list more than 3 years. Of the few who are starting out one is Sam Walsh.

We aren't asking finals yet of course but we can expects win at this point of a rebuild. So, he can be judged very much on wins/losses.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 8:03 am 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am
Posts: 28227
Good interview on SEN just then. Sounded calm and measured.

We have to stick the course with Bolts. We’ve come too far to go back and start from scratch again. He’s a good man and he’ll eventually crack the code so let’s back him in.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6991 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313 ... 350  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: bender, DesEnglish, keogh, Majestic-12 [Bot], Still got the blues and 39 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group