Brendon Bolton - Carlton coach 2015-2019

bender · **Posted:** Wed May 29, 2019 1:49 am

SurreyBlue wrote:

AGRO wrote:

Don’t ask us whether we’re able to handle the hardship that comes with it, ask Patrick Cripps if he can handle the hardship of another 2 seasons of the hardship until Fisher, Petreski-Seton and Dow are in a position to be able to help him.

:thumbsup:

Crippa has looked, for a better word, ‘deflated’ the past 2 weeks. I’m seriously concerned.

these two quotes

god forbid we lose cripps, but would ya blame him?

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23921

At this point I would say talk of losing Cripps belongs in the misery guts thread. We will lose Bolts before we lose Paddy. I'm sure there is plenty of reassurance going on behind the scenes. Paddy will be blaming himself for losses no doubt. He needs a ton of support offield as well as on.

Forever Blue · **Joined:** Sun May 26, 2019 6:03 pm **Posts:** 4

My concern moving forward is that next year we could lose Murphy, Simmo and Kruise, with Doc not having played at this level for 2 years.... leaving a group of under performing kids to fend for themselves :donk:

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18016

How many of those senior players have offered consistent value this year?
I'd suggest with another 12 months under the belts of our kids, they'll be better off than they are this year.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Wed May 29, 2019 9:18 am

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 1003144462

This exact same argument could be put forward for Bolton
References to Hardwick and Buckley and just plain rubbish

camel · **Posted:** Wed May 29, 2019 9:37 am

Blue Vain wrote:

jim wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

It's interesting reading about Paul Roos being some sort of messiah to save us.
IIRC, he lost his last game as coach by 111 points and set Melbourne up to be flakier than us.

Indeed.

I hope we give Lloyd Bolton and Walls time to change things up just like Richmond and Collingwood gave Hardwick and Buckley time.

There is zero comparison between Hardwick, Buckley and Bolton. Hardwick had his side in the finals 3 years in a row before a bad year.

It took Hardwick 4 years to get there with a team that included Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, Riewoldt, Houli, Rance, Edwards.
Boltons in his 4th year with a bunch of kids.
Give him til the end of the year. If there's not significant improvement, kick him out by all means. Brisbane are currently 6th on the ladder. Last year they lost their first 9 games.
Too many of you want the rebuild but cant handle the hardship that comes with it.

And if we never saw the sunshine, then maybe we wouldn't mind the rain.

Here's to sunny days ahead. :thumbsup:

But it's pretty @#$%&! bleak right now.

Oh, that's right, it's always darkest before the dawn. :lol:

camel · **Posted:** Wed May 29, 2019 9:39 am

Forever Blue wrote:

My concern moving forward is that next year we could lose Murphy, Simmo and Kruise, with Doc not having played at this level for 2 years.... leaving a group of under performing kids to fend for themselves :donk:

Welcome aboard. :beer:

That is a concern, but with any luck we'll bring in some senior talent at season's end to help minimise any potential losses.

That's if anyone wants to come here.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

Forever Blue wrote:

My concern moving forward is that next year we could lose Murphy, Simmo and Kruise, with Doc not having played at this level for 2 years.... leaving a group of under performing kids to fend for themselves :donk:

Murphy and Simpson are bit players these days and Kreuzer struggles to get on the park.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8201

Blue Vain wrote:

jim wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

It's interesting reading about Paul Roos being some sort of messiah to save us.
IIRC, he lost his last game as coach by 111 points and set Melbourne up to be flakier than us.

Indeed.

I hope we give Lloyd Bolton and Walls time to change things up just like Richmond and Collingwood gave Hardwick and Buckley time.

There is zero comparison between Hardwick, Buckley and Bolton. Hardwick had his side in the finals 3 years in a row before a bad year.

It took Hardwick 4 years to get there with a team that included Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, Riewoldt, Houli, Rance, Edwards.
Boltons in his 4th year with a bunch of kids.
Give him til the end of the year. If there's not significant improvement, kick him out by all means. Brisbane are currently 6th on the ladder. Last year they lost their first 9 games.
Too many of you want the rebuild but cant handle the hardship that comes with it.

There's still zero comparison between those coaches and Bolton. Compare them to Ratten. Not Bolton. Bolton might compare more from the transition from McCartney to Beverige with a young, developing side.

15 of the 22 that played Sunday have been at the club 3 years or more, most more, with 3 others on a list elsewhere longer than that. They're young but not kids anymore. No excuse not to expect wins, not necessarily finals, but wins. 4th year, we expect to be going up the ladder, no ifs or buts, not sitting on the bottom with 1-9, 3 from 32. That's a disgrace. Brisbane are doing what a side should be doing 4th year into a rebuild, moving up the ladder. We lost our first 8 games last year too, difference is they have taken the next step while we are perched on the bottom. We have a shit coach.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8201

Rod Waddell wrote:

Any reference to 2017 being a reasonable year is a misnomer:

Agreed by round 12 we were 5-7 and only % outside the top 8. Looking ok at that stage.

The rot set in for the CFC from this point:

1-9 to finish off 2017 (teams selected included senior core Doc and Gibbs)
2-20 in 2018
1-9 current in 2019

A catastrophe of the highest order.

That is really bad when you look at it like that.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

BigKev wrote:

I'm going to go against the grain and tell you why we should stick with him.

b) The game plan isn't the problem. Does anyone really believe we radically changed game plans for the Bulldogs game? Doubt it. The players are getting overwhelmed and it's falling apart. See point a).

d) I don't believe that he has lost the players. (We've clearly lost the umps, but that's a different discussion). Far from players with potential wanting to leave the club they all keep signing up.

If the players are getting overwhelmed it’s because of the game plan. It just doesn’t work when the opposition come to play. It’s worked great when the opposition give us time and space.

I’m of the opinion that if players don’t believe in the game plan then the players are lost to the coach.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Dodo27 wrote:

Bolton once again re-confirms his famous quote which he dishes out every week " We must stick to the Plan ".

GREAT.... We all agree... but what is that Plan?? we are yet to see any plans......Players don't seem to be aware of any Game day plans....we are still going backwards compared to last year!!

5 years from now, they will come back and say " We need to start from Scratch- we need a 5 year Plan- starting from today ".

Geez, I thought I heard that already 3 times since 2002 :banghead:

The plan was to rebuild the list in 66 games, go after free agents in 2018 and start to get wins on the board in 2019.

BigKev · **Posted:** Wed May 29, 2019 1:07 pm

The Normal One wrote:

BigKev wrote:

I'm going to go against the grain and tell you why we should stick with him.

b) The game plan isn't the problem. Does anyone really believe we radically changed game plans for the Bulldogs game? Doubt it. The players are getting overwhelmed and it's falling apart. See point a).

d) I don't believe that he has lost the players. (We've clearly lost the umps, but that's a different discussion). Far from players with potential wanting to leave the club they all keep signing up.

If the players are getting overwhelmed it’s because of the game plan. It just doesn’t work when the opposition come to play. It’s worked great when the opposition give us time and space.

I’m of the opinion that if players don’t believe in the game plan then the players are lost to the coach.

I agree with the second point, but I haven't come across any suggestion that this is the case.

Not so sure about the first point. A poor game plan could certainly be a factor, but things like poor skill execution and not sticking tackles are going to destroy even the best game plans.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

BigKev wrote:

The Normal One wrote:

BigKev wrote:

I'm going to go against the grain and tell you why we should stick with him.

b) The game plan isn't the problem. Does anyone really believe we radically changed game plans for the Bulldogs game? Doubt it. The players are getting overwhelmed and it's falling apart. See point a).

d) I don't believe that he has lost the players. (We've clearly lost the umps, but that's a different discussion). Far from players with potential wanting to leave the club they all keep signing up.

If the players are getting overwhelmed it’s because of the game plan. It just doesn’t work when the opposition come to play. It’s worked great when the opposition give us time and space.

I’m of the opinion that if players don’t believe in the game plan then the players are lost to the coach.

I agree with the second point, but I haven't come across any suggestion that this is the case.

Not so sure about the first point. A poor game plan could certainly be a factor, but things like poor skill execution and not sticking tackles are going to destroy even the best game plans.

Poor execution, not sticking tackles, lighter bodies, inability to run out games etc etc

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

Nick wrote:

BigBlueWave wrote:

Give Bolton till end of year.

If we have not improved ....

Bring home Brett Ratten!!!!

I am getting too old ... It would be nice to see another premiership. :wink:

Yep we can then go back to the gameplan of "Just give it to the champ" and run Cripps into the ground like we did with Judd.

We run Cripps into the ground every week.

Ratten has been the only coach since Parkin that has had Carlton moving upward. We were pretty unlucky not to play in a Prelim under Ratten. To replace him with the Madhouse was always going to be a disaster. Since then, he has served under Clarkson and received plaudits from both Hawthorn and St Kilda. He is now cherry ripe for a senior coaching position. I don't want to get rid of Bolton yet ... give him until the end of year ... see if he can improve things.

BUT ... if it came to a choice between Brad Scott and Brett Ratten ... give me Ratten anytime.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

Why would Ratts want to come to us when his former Premiership team mate and then club President ousted him unceremoniously after an injury-riddled year, and this was endorsed by the board that still has power?

Steve_C7 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:39 pm **Posts:** 1002

Sydney Blue wrote:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-tim-watson-isnt-buying-john-worsfolds-argument-for-the-gift-of-time/news-story/266ca18ea1d053ab30daf71003144462

This exact same argument could be put forward for Bolton
References to Hardwick and Buckley and just plain rubbish

That argument hold no water at all for Bolton.

No one of the coaches that Watson listed started any rebuild or were there for any list turnover.

Even the great Alastair Clarkson took over as coach in 2005 with Deledio, Franklin, Roughead, Lewis, mitchel, Hodge, Croad and Campbell Brown already on the list and still took 4 years to make grand final.

Realistically Bolton would be 2 years behind Clarkson so Bolton can't be looked at in the same way Worsfold is.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

robertbb wrote:

Why would Ratts want to come to us when his former Premiership team mate and then club President ousted him unceremoniously after an injury-riddled year, and this was endorsed by the board that still has power?

Same reason why Parkin came back after being sacked.

Look ... I guess I just live in hope. I genuinely believe Ratten was treated badly and did the best he could with a crappy side. In his final year ... the team was ravaged with injury.
I reckon he would return a better coach because of the experiences of the last few years. Other than Clarkson, I can't think of a better option.

Having said all that ... I am still hoping that Bolton can turn things around. Every week this looks less likely though.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

BigBlueWave wrote:

In his final year ... the team was ravaged with injury.

And seemingly every year since.....

camel · **Posted:** Wed May 29, 2019 2:31 pm

Steve_C7 wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-tim-watson-isnt-buying-john-worsfolds-argument-for-the-gift-of-time/news-story/266ca18ea1d053ab30daf71003144462

This exact same argument could be put forward for Bolton
References to Hardwick and Buckley and just plain rubbish

That argument hold no water at all for Bolton.

No one of the coaches that Watson listed started any rebuild or were there for any list turnover.

Even the great Alastair Clarkson took over as coach in 2005 with Deledio, Franklin, Roughead, Lewis, mitchel, Hodge, Croad and Campbell Brown already on the list and still took 4 years to make grand final.

Realistically Bolton would be 2 years behind Clarkson so Bolton can't be looked at in the same way Worsfold is.

Deledio played for the Hawks?!

Franklin, Roughy and Lewis were drafted in November 2004. Clarkson was appointed coach in September 2004.

Hodge had played 45 games, Mitchell 50.

I get your point, Hawthorn may have had better senior leaders compared with Carlton when Bolton started, but there's no way the Hawks list was established when Clarkson began coaching. Let's not forget he went to his first draft with the most extreme youth policy the game had seen at that time, he also traded out Nathan Thompson (for #10 and #26) and delisted Barlow, McCabe, Tallis (all 100+ games), Graham (240+). The fact he made the GF in only 4 years is still quite remarkable and was ahead of even his own projections.

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