Brendon Bolton - Carlton coach 2015-2019

camel · **Posted:** Tue May 28, 2019 6:38 pm

Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

Effes · **Posted:** Tue May 28, 2019 6:49 pm

bender wrote:

DesEnglish wrote:

bmaurizio wrote:

JK wrote:

Huge call what we do with our coaching set up. Worst thing would be to sack Bolton and end up with an inexperienced replacement who has to learn the ropes all over again. Options seem to be Scott, Lyon, Clarkson (ideal) or Roos in the Walls role with Bolton or an untried coach. Interesting times

Agree with totally you, Bolton is stunned and disoriented needs a quality senior mentor (recently retired), my choice would be Paul Roos , if he were interested , balanced professionally, good insight into our game , will inspire Brendon Bolton to reach better goals.
If we want the tougher edge slant with plenty of passion, sound tactically then it’s Scott.

It’s year 4, if he still needs mentors to help him do the basics (which we don’t do as a side) then he’s probably not equiped to be a senior coach, at least at the moment.

I doubt the side will change the way it plays under him. I get the argument to stuck with him and acknowledge there’s no obvious replacement but worry what damage will be done by leaving him in.

i dont understand how we played so much better in 2016 and 2017 under him with a worse list, filled with stop-gap players.

the entire club seems to have gone backwards since the start of last year when a 'new and attacking game' plan was implemented. where has the development gone? we have a supposedly better list, yet all is gloomy

Obviously one player isn't the difference but Sam Docherty was there in those years, steadied things in defence and was good enough to make the All Australian team in 2017.

Also had at least two midfielders contributing in 16/17 whereas the last two years we've basically just had one midfielder performing.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23921

Iwouldn't personally want RooTsy as our coach BV. No way. Stifling game plan. I just like his positivity. I reckon he'd be great to have around in a transitional role...assisting with the new coach who comes in like Neil Craig did. Unless we get Clarkson..then
Yeah..thT would not work. :lol:

If say we drop Bolts st the bye and use say Amos or ehoever as interim..that would be when I'd want Rootsy to start. Or if we got say Caracella or someone like that. I 'd like him in the big mentor chair.
(Just to clarify. :razz:

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Waterman · **Joined:** Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:54 pm **Posts:** 415

How about Voss, second time around . A lot more expierenced now and is assistant at Power so still in the system .I'm sure would be a good pick personality wise . If he can coach like he played then he would be just the type we need .

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8201

Rexy wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

It's interesting reading about Paul Roos being some sort of messiah to save us.
IIRC, he lost his last game as coach by 111 points and set Melbourne up to be flakier than us.

Indeed.

I hope we give Lloyd Bolton and Walls time to change things up just like Richmond and Collingwood gave Hardwick and Buckley time.

There is zero comparison between Hardwick, Buckley and Bolton. Hardwick had his side in the finals 3 years in a row before a bad year, Buckley was always very competitive. We are 4th year in and have won 3 games since the start of last season, sit on the bottom 1-9. Not the slightest bit of a comparison with Bolton. Might be closer with the Dogs. Kicked out McCartney, who similarly had never played at AFL level, while they were young and building, for Beverige and immediately they were finalists then premiers within 2 years. Our side is young but has plenty of talent but going nowhere.

Hardwick, Buckley, Thompson compare better to Ratten, who was also in the finals the previous 3 years before a bad year. For every Hardwick etc, there's a 1000 Mark Neeld's, who would be a better comparison to Bolton.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8201

Waterman wrote:

How about Voss, second time around . A lot more expierenced now and is assistant at Power so still in the system .I'm sure would be a good pick personality wise . If he can coach like he played then he would be just the type we need .

He had a good go and was terrible. We can't risk that now. We need a proper appointment. We have royally f'ed up 4 of our 5 appointments since Parkin.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14986

BigBlueWave wrote:

Give Bolton till end of year.

If we have not improved ....

Bring home Brett Ratten!!!!

I am getting too old ... It would be nice to see another premiership. :wink:

I would be happy just to see another win.

Paddycripps · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 4435

Good to see Bolton has the respect of Dale Thomas. It's all unraveling at Carlton.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8201

Steve_C7 wrote:

jim wrote:

Steve_C7 wrote:

I haven't given up on Bolts yet, if we can get a win the confidence can carry into many more games, just look at the dogs game where a bit of pressure was lifted and carried into the start of the hawks game.

Unfortunately we coped a couple injuries to our backline, some iffy umpiring (of which the ump was dropped to vfl) and seeds of doubt were sown yet again and confidence completely shattered against the roos.

If we can get a couple wins on the trot, I do believe that we will rise quite quickly, if we can't then the weight of pressure will see the board make the popular decision to sack the coach with no plan of who will replace Bolts. I hope the board has the stomach to stick with Bolts unless they have secured the coach that is clearly better than Bolts like a Clarkson.

To sack Bolts to put in another inexperienced coach or mature coach that is not a fit for our group will only put us back to where we started 4 years ago. If we can't get a Clarkson, Simpson or Longmire then stick fat with bolts and look to improve the coaching group and get a mentor that is a better fit for the club maybe Bellamy might be worth a look.

You don't stick with rubbish. Look at the scoreboard. The key is to pick the right coach, like the Dogs did changing from McCartney to Beverige with a young, building developing side. 4 of our last 5 coaching appointment have been putrid.

The Dog got rid of McCartney because he lost the players, with their captain leaving the club because of his relationship with McCartney and by some reports it appears similar murmerings are coming out of Melbourne where he is an assistant.

If Bolts is in the same situation as McCartney, sack him right now, we can't afford our captain to exit the club, but contrary all our key players have signed up long term.

We have lost 3 games in the last 3 minutes of the game, had we won those, would you be asking for the coach to be sacked with a 4-6 record?

We lost. We are 1-9, we have won 4 from 42, half those losses by 50pts or more. So i might just ignore the 3 close losses. Spare me the spin.

Bolton hasn't exactly got the players either. Looks obvious. Either way the dogs changed their coach in a similar situation and won a flag.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8201

Blue Vain wrote:

It's interesting reading about Paul Roos being some sort of messiah to save us.
IIRC, he lost his last game as coach by 111 points and set Melbourne up to be flakier than us.

Not sure there any need to get him here as we have done most of our rebuild, which is the only reason he went to Melbourne. But to set his record straight he actually started when they had two wins at the end of the Mark Neeld era basket case era. End of the 3rd year of his rebuild, 10 wins. Was 10-10 that year until he lost those last two, one to us.

Neeld actually won 5 of his 33 games at Melbourne, Bolton's won 3 of his last 32.

Rod Waddell · **Joined:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1650

Dodo27 wrote:

Bolton once again re-confirms his famous quote which he dishes out every week " We must stick to the Plan ".

GREAT.... We all agree... but what is that Plan?? we are yet to see any plans......Players don't seem to be aware of any Game day plans....we are still going backwards compared to last year!!

5 years from now, they will come back and say " We need to start from Scratch- we need a 5 year Plan- starting from today ".

Geez, I thought I heard that already 3 times since 2002 :banghead:

What l would like to know is how “phase II” is tracking?

Rod Waddell · **Joined:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1650

Any reference to 2017 being a reasonable year is a misnomer:

Agreed by round 12 we were 5-7 and only % outside the top 8. Looking ok at that stage.

The rot set in for the CFC from this point:

1-9 to finish off 2017 (teams selected included senior core Doc and Gibbs)
2-20 in 2018
1-9 current in 2019

A catastrophe of the highest order.

Nick · **Joined:** Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:52 pm **Posts:** 1857

BigBlueWave wrote:

Give Bolton till end of year.

If we have not improved ....

Bring home Brett Ratten!!!!

I am getting too old ... It would be nice to see another premiership. :wink:

Yep we can then go back to the gameplan of "Just give it to the champ" and run Cripps into the ground like we did with Judd.

MIL · **Joined:** Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:43 pm **Posts:** 4745

Rod Waddell wrote:

Any reference to 2017 being a reasonable year is a misnomer:

Agreed by round 12 we were 5-7 and only % outside the top 8. Looking ok at that stage.

The rot set in for the CFC from this point:

1-9 to finish off 2017 (teams selected included senior core Doc and Gibbs)
2-20 in 2018
1-9 current in 2019

A catastrophe of the highest order.

When you put it like that wowee. We have been well South of putrid, and yet somehow the club has set a membership record :eek:

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18019

jim wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

It's interesting reading about Paul Roos being some sort of messiah to save us.
IIRC, he lost his last game as coach by 111 points and set Melbourne up to be flakier than us.

Indeed.

I hope we give Lloyd Bolton and Walls time to change things up just like Richmond and Collingwood gave Hardwick and Buckley time.

There is zero comparison between Hardwick, Buckley and Bolton. Hardwick had his side in the finals 3 years in a row before a bad year.

It took Hardwick 4 years to get there with a team that included Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, Riewoldt, Houli, Rance, Edwards.
Boltons in his 4th year with a bunch of kids.
Give him til the end of the year. If there's not significant improvement, kick him out by all means. Brisbane are currently 6th on the ladder. Last year they lost their first 9 games.
Too many of you want the rebuild but cant handle the hardship that comes with it.

Nick · **Joined:** Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:52 pm **Posts:** 1857

Blue Vain wrote:

Give him til the end of the year. If there's not significant improvement, kick him out by all means. Brisbane are currently 6th on the ladder. Last year they lost their first 9 games.

As incredible as it sounds, Brisbane were actually 1-13 after 14 rounds :eek:

Without any injuries of note over the last 2 years.

We are just a bit unfortunate we don't have a Carlton, Gold Coast and Saints 2018 equivalent to take the heat off us.

verbs · **Posted:** Tue May 28, 2019 9:16 pm

keogh wrote:

Finally I proper interview process
Bad luck to Barker but we need a completely new start
Interesting times ahead with whom Bolton recruits as his support staff and how we go during the trade period and draft
At least the after match press conferences will be more positive than earlier this year

Four years is a long time.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Tue May 28, 2019 9:27 pm

Nick wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Give him til the end of the year. If there's not significant improvement, kick him out by all means. Brisbane are currently 6th on the ladder. Last year they lost their first 9 games.

As incredible as it sounds, Brisbane were actually 1-13 after 14 rounds :eek:

Without any injuries of note over the last 2 years.

We are just a bit unfortunate we don't have a Carlton, Gold Coast and Saints 2018 equivalent to take the heat off us.

Brisbane were taking the game on and losing and most of the teams they played early on eventually ended up in the 8.
We are playing defensively dour football and 7 of the 10 games have been against sides in the bottom half of the ladder.

Last year people were comparing us to Melbourne I have noticed that has stopped this year

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AGRO · **Posted:** Tue May 28, 2019 9:37 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

jim wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

It's interesting reading about Paul Roos being some sort of messiah to save us.
IIRC, he lost his last game as coach by 111 points and set Melbourne up to be flakier than us.

Indeed.

I hope we give Lloyd Bolton and Walls time to change things up just like Richmond and Collingwood gave Hardwick and Buckley time.

There is zero comparison between Hardwick, Buckley and Bolton. Hardwick had his side in the finals 3 years in a row before a bad year.

It took Hardwick 4 years to get there with a team that included Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, Riewoldt, Houli, Rance, Edwards.
Boltons in his 4th year with a bunch of kids.
Give him til the end of the year. If there's not significant improvement, kick him out by all means. Brisbane are currently 6th on the ladder. Last year they lost their first 9 games.
Too many of you want the rebuild but cant handle the hardship that comes with it.

Don’t ask us whether we’re able to handle the hardship that comes with it, ask Patrick Cripps if he can handle the hardship of another 2 seasons of the hardship until Fisher, Petreski-Seton and Dow are in a position to be able to help him.

:thumbsup:

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10570

AGRO wrote:

Don’t ask us whether we’re able to handle the hardship that comes with it, ask Patrick Cripps if he can handle the hardship of another 2 seasons of the hardship until Fisher, Petreski-Seton and Dow are in a position to be able to help him.

:thumbsup:

Crippa has looked, for a better word, ‘deflated’ the past 2 weeks. I’m seriously concerned.

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