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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:00 pm 
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Huge call what we do with our coaching set up. Worst thing would be to sack Bolton and end up with an inexperienced replacement who has to learn the ropes all over again. Options seem to be Scott, Lyon, Clarkson (ideal) or Roos in the Walls role with Bolton or an untried coach. Interesting times


Agree with totally you, Bolton is stunned and disoriented needs a quality senior mentor (recently retired), my choice would be Paul Roos , if he were interested , balanced professionally, good insight into our game , will inspire Brendon Bolton to reach better goals.
If we want the tougher edge slant with plenty of passion, sound tactically then it’s Scott.


It’s year 4, if he still needs mentors to help him do the basics (which we don’t do as a side) then he’s probably not equiped to be a senior coach, at least at the moment.

I doubt the side will change the way it plays under him. I get the argument to stuck with him and acknowledge there’s no obvious replacement but worry what damage will be done by leaving him in.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:08 pm 
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I'm going to go against the grain and tell you why we should stick with him.

a) I do not believe that we are losing because of the head coach. The reality is that the list is not that good. Gibbs was one of our best and he's struggling to get a game at Adelaide, (who aren't that good).
b) The game plan isn't the problem. Does anyone really believe we radically changed game plans for the Bulldogs game? Doubt it. The players are getting overwhelmed and it's falling apart. See point a).
c) What would we usually do in this situation? How well has that worked for us? Rather than continue to repeat the same mistakes over and over let's stick with someone for a change.
d) I don't believe that he has lost the players. (We've clearly lost the umps, but that's a different discussion). Far from players with potential wanting to leave the club they all keep signing up.
e) Sacking the coach gives the players an easy out. In fact it gives everyone else an easy out. All that happens though is that we go down the same path again.
f) I don't believe in the messiah coach idea, (and surprisingly some here still do). We've seen it how well it works with Pagan and Malthouse. Both those guys replaced young "learning" coaches and neither did any better.



We have turned over 52 players in four years because they were deemed not good enough
why should the coach and his staff be afforded the luxury of keeping their jobs if they are not performing


Both posts make good points.

points a and b by Big Kev resonate with me.

FMD, Dow's kicking week in week out ... no excuse.
We have a team of midgets, who are easily push aside and dont make tackles stick (since first round). I hope Deluca breaks the trend.

The forwards .. where are they? Who sets them up. Has Teague lost control or the plot? OR are the players dumb and cant organise themeselves.

I believe McGovern is following coaches direction playing up the ground for the switch, but that's no excuse for McGoverns disappearing act. The key forwards should be able to link up if marking is their weapon.

If this playing group showed their best effort, then they are not the future. I didnt see any physicality. I saw the Saints physicality.

WTF was the dangerous Gresham doing all by himself.

As soon as the Saints scored their second goal, my first comment was that our players don't know how and when to play the zone set up, and they should just go man on man if they are going to play a physical brand of footy. Oh well, they knew better. Coaches and players have lost me for a while. I'm just hoping something clicks and we string a few wins together in the 2nd half of the season.

If we lose against the Bumbers this week ... FMD ... the shit will hit the fan.....again

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:10 pm 
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I eally like Stocker.

I really like Walsh.

I really like Harry.

I really like Jack.

I use to love Fish a lot.

I love Cripps.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:11 pm 
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Kreuzer got smashed in the ruck again.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:12 pm 
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Newman's clangers are becoming all too common and regular.

His clangers are not what's needed, and if they continue he's not needed.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:14 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Newman's clangers are becoming all too common and regular.

His clangers are not what's needed, and if they continue he's not needed.



That’s what Sydney said.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:36 pm 
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It's interesting reading about Paul Roos being some sort of messiah to save us.
IIRC, he lost his last game as coach by 111 points and set Melbourne up to be flakier than us.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:02 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
It's interesting reading about Paul Roos being some sort of messiah to save us.
IIRC, he lost his last game as coach by 111 points and set Melbourne up to be flakier than us.


Indeed.

I hope we give Lloyd Bolton and Walls time to change things up just like Richmond and Collingwood gave Hardwick and Buckley time.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:42 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Kreuzer got smashed in the ruck again.



..neither ruck had a good game.. ..similar disposals, krooz only a few less hitouts, they had the exact same number of taps to adv (4).. ..krooz kicked a goal.. ..it was a shit game from near everyone on the field, off both sides..out of both teams only a few players had a decent game..

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:57 pm 
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..i was hoping we'd get libba last year, and said so a few times.... ..i've no idea if we even tried, if we didn't it shows we've over estimated ourselves yet again.. ....i said earlier, the previous years were rebuilding the list, but now qe have to develop it, and we're pretty much starting from scratch.. ..very thin senior core, so until our talented youth get to 70 odd games, we'll still be weak..

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 4:02 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
It's interesting reading about Paul Roos being some sort of messiah to save us.
IIRC, he lost his last game as coach by 111 points and set Melbourne up to be flakier than us.


Yeah, but… HEEEEEEEEERE IT IZZZ PREMIERSHIPCOACHLOL

Not sure Roos is the one, not sure Bolton is the one, but would prefer Bolts out of those two.

As noted by others, I wasn't expecting much this year but I sure as hell wasn't expecting this. Indeed, given what we've dished up so far it turns out I was expecting the world, actually the universe.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 4:05 pm 
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I hear the jungle drums are beating and the whole coaching panel is under the pump from within the club admin given some of the dreadful decision making from the players last weekend.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 4:05 pm 
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Bolton once again re-confirms his famous quote which he dishes out every week " We must stick to the Plan ".


GREAT.... We all agree... but what is that Plan?? we are yet to see any plans......Players don't seem to be aware of any Game day plans....we are still going backwards compared to last year!!



5 years from now, they will come back and say " We need to start from Scratch- we need a 5 year Plan- starting from today ".


Geez, I thought I heard that already 3 times since 2002 :banghead: :banghead:


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 4:20 pm 
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Yup Cee Boy....

i wasn't expecting much this year either..
but did set a mental limit of 6 games...
with a much better %....!

kinda not there really...!

kindest regards tommi






i don't have the arnswers either...! The

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 4:34 pm 
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Give Bolton till end of year.

If we have not improved ....

Bring home Brett Ratten!!!!

I am getting too old ... It would be nice to see another premiership. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 4:43 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Give Bolton till end of year.

If we have not improved ....

Bring home Brett Ratten!!!!

Brett may now subscribe to the lyrics of ''I was born under a wandering star''.

''Home is made for coming from,
with dreams of going to,
which with any luck will never come true''.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9eCRisbDo

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 5:48 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
JK wrote:
Huge call what we do with our coaching set up. Worst thing would be to sack Bolton and end up with an inexperienced replacement who has to learn the ropes all over again. Options seem to be Scott, Lyon, Clarkson (ideal) or Roos in the Walls role with Bolton or an untried coach. Interesting times


Agree with totally you, Bolton is stunned and disoriented needs a quality senior mentor (recently retired), my choice would be Paul Roos , if he were interested , balanced professionally, good insight into our game , will inspire Brendon Bolton to reach better goals.
If we want the tougher edge slant with plenty of passion, sound tactically then it’s Scott.


It’s year 4, if he still needs mentors to help him do the basics (which we don’t do as a side) then he’s probably not equiped to be a senior coach, at least at the moment.

I doubt the side will change the way it plays under him. I get the argument to stuck with him and acknowledge there’s no obvious replacement but worry what damage will be done by leaving him in.


i dont understand how we played so much better in 2016 and 2017 under him with a worse list, filled with stop-gap players.

the entire club seems to have gone backwards since the start of last year when a 'new and attacking game' plan was implemented. where has the development gone? we have a supposedly better list, yet all is gloomy

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 5:50 pm 
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I haven't given up on Bolts yet, if we can get a win the confidence can carry into many more games, just look at the dogs game where a bit of pressure was lifted and carried into the start of the hawks game.

Unfortunately we coped a couple injuries to our backline, some iffy umpiring (of which the ump was dropped to vfl) and seeds of doubt were sown yet again and confidence completely shattered against the roos.

If we can get a couple wins on the trot, I do believe that we will rise quite quickly, if we can't then the weight of pressure will see the board make the popular decision to sack the coach with no plan of who will replace Bolts. I hope the board has the stomach to stick with Bolts unless they have secured the coach that is clearly better than Bolts like a Clarkson.

To sack Bolts to put in another inexperienced coach or mature coach that is not a fit for our group will only put us back to where we started 4 years ago. If we can't get a Clarkson, Simpson or Longmire then stick fat with bolts and look to improve the coaching group and get a mentor that is a better fit for the club maybe Bellamy might be worth a look.


You don't stick with rubbish. Look at the scoreboard. The key is to pick the right coach, like the Dogs did changing from McCartney to Beverige with a young, building developing side. 4 of our last 5 coaching appointment have been putrid.


The Dog got rid of McCartney because he lost the players, with their captain leaving the club because of his relationship with McCartney and by some reports it appears similar murmerings are coming out of Melbourne where he is an assistant.

If Bolts is in the same situation as McCartney, sack him right now, we can't afford our captain to exit the club, but contrary all our key players have signed up long term.

We have lost 3 games in the last 3 minutes of the game, had we won those, would you be asking for the coach to be sacked with a 4-6 record?


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:10 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
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Steve_C7 wrote:
I haven't given up on Bolts yet, if we can get a win the confidence can carry into many more games, just look at the dogs game where a bit of pressure was lifted and carried into the start of the hawks game.

Unfortunately we coped a couple injuries to our backline, some iffy umpiring (of which the ump was dropped to vfl) and seeds of doubt were sown yet again and confidence completely shattered against the roos.

If we can get a couple wins on the trot, I do believe that we will rise quite quickly, if we can't then the weight of pressure will see the board make the popular decision to sack the coach with no plan of who will replace Bolts. I hope the board has the stomach to stick with Bolts unless they have secured the coach that is clearly better than Bolts like a Clarkson.

To sack Bolts to put in another inexperienced coach or mature coach that is not a fit for our group will only put us back to where we started 4 years ago. If we can't get a Clarkson, Simpson or Longmire then stick fat with bolts and look to improve the coaching group and get a mentor that is a better fit for the club maybe Bellamy might be worth a look.


You don't stick with rubbish. Look at the scoreboard. The key is to pick the right coach, like the Dogs did changing from McCartney to Beverige with a young, building developing side. 4 of our last 5 coaching appointment have been putrid.


The Dog got rid of McCartney because he lost the players, with their captain leaving the club because of his relationship with McCartney and by some reports it appears similar murmerings are coming out of Melbourne where he is an assistant.

If Bolts is in the same situation as McCartney, sack him right now, we can't afford our captain to exit the club, but contrary all our key players have signed up long term.

We have lost 3 games in the last 3 minutes of the game, had we won those, would you be asking for the coach to be sacked with a 4-6 record?


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:29 pm 
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The problem is we haven’t won those three games.
So we’re talking “THE WHAT IF” the facts are we haven’t.
So we could go on saying what if this or what if that
The problem still remains that we haven’t.

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