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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:57 pm 
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Gee, I'm impressed with our three new recruits at today's media conference. Well spoken, genuine, measured. I think we have three ripper blokes there.

(Just need to brush up on some Carlton history which I'm sure will be inculcated!)

Werent they impressive? I thought Giles in particular spoke very well. They look so young, it must be so daunting for them.


Hopefully they don't start reading TC.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:13 pm 
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kezza wrote:
TomAlvin'sWig wrote:
Gee, I'm impressed with our three new recruits at today's media conference. Well spoken, genuine, measured. I think we have three ripper blokes there.

(Just need to brush up on some Carlton history which I'm sure will be inculcated!)

Werent they impressive? I thought Giles in particular spoke very well. They look so young, it must be so daunting for them.


Hopefully they don't start reading TC.

if theyre too sensitive for TC theyre too sensitive for AFL ....

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:26 am 
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Already in Tomlinson's ear apparently.



...and... 2 others I'm hearing from a carlton great.

The point is the club is not sitting idly hoping for a KPP or two.

The cost is the cost for a KPP. All elite players cost whether they be midfielders or KPP.
Youngsters taken early like a J. Kennedy we got a number 4 cost us pick 4.
Now the fact we are unlikely to inherit a high pick due to lowly position on the ladder means we have to find other ways.
Sitting on our bum doing nothing is not an option...so I dont know why BKB is thinking it can't happen.

If a KPP from elsewhere asks for a trade to Carlton, it just makes things easier than harder.


..the club should never be sitting idly, but the idea that "next year in the off-season we will get" such and such, is too dangerous, and in my opinion is much closer to sitting idly by and doing nothing, because it's the outside chance.. ..versus using the draft properly, which is the better chance by far of securing what you need/want..

..lookit, the theoretical example of tomlinson.. ..supposedly it may 'only' take a mid-first rounder.. ..now with 18 teams in the comp., a mid first rounder is what you get when you MISS the finals.. ..i think we should, and ought to make the finals.. ..so, we will need to upgrade our first rounder, or sell off a very good player to secure a top ten pick from another club..

..feel free to outline how we can manage this, when we haven't been able to previously.. ..look at our list, tell me who we can 'afford' to offload that will get us a top ten pick.. .... ..and then tell me if tomlinson is even worth a mid first rounder, in a supposedly heavy kpp draft..

..also, the way you get a player to nominate your club, and then stick fat thru all the argy-bargy when there's several other melbourne clubs that may offer gws a better trade.. ..usually, you sweet talk them, and back that up with a big fat juicy contract, maybe like we did with warnock.. .... ..then, look back over all the big trades we've done to secure our intended targets, and tell me if that's a good longterm plan regarding list balance and tpp structure..

..this is what concerns me, in one thread we wring our hands because our tpp is too rigid, and then we talk about chasing players and tieing up the tpp for more years [which is what will happen]..

..this is why we will never learn how to build a liost properly, in the modern game you need as much quality as you can get, a small group of 'stars' won't win you flags, it won't even get you into top 4 calculations on a regular basis.. ..yes ppl will point out hawks as the latest model to show you what can be done with off-season trades, but they built their list thru the draft for the most part, and added targeted players on top.. ..we do it the other way around.. ..it's why we will never see success unless we wean ourselves off the bad habit of addressing list issues thru dollars..

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:29 am 
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Luke Reynolds, Cameron Wood and Blaine Johnson...

Not sure I like the fascination with ex-Collingwood blokes... That said I never thought he was the worst ruckman and provides backup.

It might say that we (like other clubs) are moving away from developing our own rucks and are moving towards retreads/poaching again?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:31 am 
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Cameron Wood is a little too like Cameron Cloke for my liking.

Better pray that Warnock and Kreuzer stay fit, and already one of them isn't.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:39 am 
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Seem to always pick interstaters or irishmen - whats wrong with Victorian footballers

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:48 am 
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Cam Wood, huh? Who says there's no mystery left in footy...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:26 pm 
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Would have preferred Darren jolly, could have picked up Darcy Cameron as the
project ruckman... Cameron wood :mad:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:52 am 
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I'm over it. Took the best available ready to go VFL ruckman.
Jolly sounds like a flower anyways.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:47 am 
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dane wrote:
I'm over it. Took the best available ready to go VFL ruckman.
Jolly sounds like a flower anyways.

I am not that bothered by it.
If we had given up pick 14 in a trade for him i would be filthy, pick 28 in a rookie draft-so what.
Good luck to him, hope he makes the most of this oportunity.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:51 am 
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I was initially taken aback by Cam Wood's selection too. But on reflection, for a rookie selection and a low wage, he's an okay option for the short-term.

Reading between the lines it seems as though those wanting a young ruckman might get their wishes next year and as explained elsewhere Wood understands Mick's methods and should provide some consistency between the seniors and the VFL.

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Despite the being Filth-tinged, I am fine with picking up Cam Wood as a rookie for next to nothing. He is explicitly there as a backup and at 26 a good age for a ruckman.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:07 am 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
Luke Reynolds, Cameron Wood and Blaine Johnson...

Not sure I like the fascination with ex-Collingwood blokes... That said I never thought he was the worst ruckman and provides backup.

It might say that we (like other clubs) are moving away from developing our own rucks and are moving towards retreads/poaching again?


I prefer ex-Collingwood blokes over ex-Demons that were taking a few years back :donk:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:25 am 
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The Northern Blues will hopefully be looking like a true reflection of the senior team, injury permitting.

This will do absolute wonders for development, and should hopefully allow us to build something that resembles true depth as players are capable of walking straight into the senior team already well versed in their role.

Sucks that we're short a forward or two on the list, but at least it's starting to resemble something that's structured and planned.

MM has always said it's the team with the best 30 that wins the flag. He's attempting to apply that theory to us, fingers crossed we've got the right 30 sooner rather than later.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:07 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Already in Tomlinson's ear apparently.



...and... 2 others I'm hearing from a carlton great.

The point is the club is not sitting idly hoping for a KPP or two.

The cost is the cost for a KPP. All elite players cost whether they be midfielders or KPP.
Youngsters taken early like a J. Kennedy we got a number 4 cost us pick 4.
Now the fact we are unlikely to inherit a high pick due to lowly position on the ladder means we have to find other ways.
Sitting on our bum doing nothing is not an option...so I dont know why BKB is thinking it can't happen.

If a KPP from elsewhere asks for a trade to Carlton, it just makes things easier than harder.


..the club should never be sitting idly, but the idea that "next year in the off-season we will get" such and such, is too dangerous, and in my opinion is much closer to sitting idly by and doing nothing, because it's the outside chance.. ..versus using the draft properly, which is the better chance by far of securing what you need/want..

..lookit, the theoretical example of tomlinson.. ..supposedly it may 'only' take a mid-first rounder.. ..now with 18 teams in the comp., a mid first rounder is what you get when you MISS the finals.. ..i think we should, and ought to make the finals.. ..so, we will need to upgrade our first rounder, or sell off a very good player to secure a top ten pick from another club..

..feel free to outline how we can manage this, when we haven't been able to previously.. ..look at our list, tell me who we can 'afford' to offload that will get us a top ten pick.. .... ..and then tell me if tomlinson is even worth a mid first rounder, in a supposedly heavy kpp draft..

..also, the way you get a player to nominate your club, and then stick fat thru all the argy-bargy when there's several other melbourne clubs that may offer gws a better trade.. ..usually, you sweet talk them, and back that up with a big fat juicy contract, maybe like we did with warnock.. .... ..then, look back over all the big trades we've done to secure our intended targets, and tell me if that's a good longterm plan regarding list balance and tpp structure..

..this is what concerns me, in one thread we wring our hands because our tpp is too rigid, and then we talk about chasing players and tieing up the tpp for more years [which is what will happen]..

..this is why we will never learn how to build a liost properly, in the modern game you need as much quality as you can get, a small group of 'stars' won't win you flags, it won't even get you into top 4 calculations on a regular basis.. ..yes ppl will point out hawks as the latest model to show you what can be done with off-season trades, but they built their list thru the draft for the most part, and added targeted players on top.. ..we do it the other way around.. ..it's why we will never see success unless we wean ourselves off the bad habit of addressing list issues thru dollars..


Precisely, we are always another year away from splashing out on a player who is a fair way down the pecking order in terms of the 'next big thing' in tall forwards. Way to go Blues! :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:23 pm 
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A few years ago posters were complaining we didn't recruit midfielders
Then we lacked ball carriers and defenders
Now it's kp forwards
You can not recruit a full team in ayear


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:19 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
A few years ago posters were complaining we didn't recruit midfielders
Then we lacked ball carriers and defenders
Now it's kp forwards
You can not recruit a full team in ayear


..actually it's been some of us bemoaning the lack of regularly targeting quality kpps in general.. ..it's still only 1 kpp [kennedy, krooz be a ruck] drafted in the top ten in over a decade.. ..some may argue watto is a 1st rounder, but at pick 18 in a compromised draft?, he's more like a 2nd rounder in truth..

..as for mids, we didn't recruit a heap of them either.. ..this is the thing, we had a terrible repeat wooden spoon team, we pick up 1 or 2 quality types [murphy, gibbs], and we think we're covered for mids.. ..sure we had stevens and just got in judd, but that still wasn't enough.. ..but we quickly thought we had it covered.. ..we totally over-valued our list, thinking we only needed a few quality essentials, before we could chase quality 'x-factors'.. ..instead of building a quality spine and engine room, and leave 'cream' 'til the very end..

..we never built a proper team.. ..we still haven't, but are now beginning [finally] to address it, but still work to do..

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:47 am 
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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
Despite the being Filth-tinged, I am fine with picking up Cam Wood as a rookie for next to nothing. He is explicitly there as a backup and at 26 a good age for a ruckman.


Plus he was working in promotions for Nova, so clearly an extrovert :razz:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:48 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Seem to always pick interstaters or irishmen - whats wrong with Victorian footballers



Yet we don't seem to have much trouble hanging on to the interstaters. Jacobs might be an exception, but he was more to do with opportunity I'd reckon.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:11 pm 
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I expect just as big a turnover of players at the end of 2014.

In the gun are:

Scotland "Retire"
Judd "Retire"
Carrazzo "Retire"
Waite "Retire"
Buckley
Lucas
Robinson
Yarran
Rowe
Bootsma
Armfield
Bell
Duigan
Curnow
Casboult
White
Ellard
Cachia

I expect between 10-12 of those players departing either by retirement, trade or delisting.

I am hoping we will also have some salary cap room. :wink:

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