bondiblue wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Already in Tomlinson's ear apparently.
...and... 2 others I'm hearing from a carlton great.
The point is the club is not sitting idly hoping for a KPP or two.
The cost is the cost for a KPP. All elite players cost whether they be midfielders or KPP.
Youngsters taken early like a J. Kennedy we got a number 4 cost us pick 4.
Now the fact we are unlikely to inherit a high pick due to lowly position on the ladder means we have to find other ways.
Sitting on our bum doing nothing is not an option...so I dont know why BKB is thinking it can't happen.
If a KPP from elsewhere asks for a trade to Carlton, it just makes things easier than harder.
..the club should never be sitting idly, but the idea that "next year in the off-season we will get" such and such, is too dangerous, and in my opinion is much closer to sitting idly by and doing nothing, because it's the outside chance.. ..versus using the draft properly, which is the better chance by far of securing what you need/want..
..lookit, the theoretical example of tomlinson.. ..supposedly it may 'only' take a mid-first rounder.. ..now with 18 teams in the comp., a mid first rounder is what you get when you MISS the finals.. ..i think we should, and ought to make the finals.. ..so, we will need to upgrade our first rounder, or sell off a very good player to secure a top ten pick from another club..
..feel free to outline how we can manage this, when we haven't been able to previously.. ..look at our list, tell me who we can 'afford' to offload that will get us a top ten pick.. .... ..and then tell me if tomlinson is even worth a mid first rounder, in a supposedly heavy kpp draft..
..also, the way you get a player to nominate your club, and then stick fat thru all the argy-bargy when there's several other melbourne clubs that may offer gws a better trade.. ..usually, you sweet talk them, and back that up with a big fat juicy contract, maybe like we did with warnock.. .... ..then, look back over all the big trades we've done to secure our intended targets, and tell me if that's a good longterm plan regarding list balance and tpp structure..
..this is what concerns me, in one thread we wring our hands because our tpp is too rigid, and then we talk about chasing players and tieing up the tpp for more years [which is what will happen]..
..this is why we will never learn how to build a liost properly, in the modern game you need as much quality as you can get, a small group of 'stars' won't win you flags, it won't even get you into top 4 calculations on a regular basis.. ..yes ppl will point out hawks as the latest model to show you what can be done with off-season trades, but they built their list thru the draft for the most part, and added targeted players on top.. ..we do it the other way around.. ..it's why we will never see success unless we wean ourselves off the bad habit of addressing list issues thru dollars..