shit a brick fellas. it's poor everything.

poor drafting, recruiting, development, coaching, hiring, firing. ceo's sending dick pics on twitter. we are a shitshow.

Nah , its Weiters fault . Its Cripps fault . Its Walsh's fault . Its Harry's fault . Its Charlie's fault . That's what TC tells me .

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Some posters on this thread seem to believe that if we trade away a couple of our big name players and "tinker" with our list it could result in premiership success just like it did for Collingwood when they traded Grundy and Treloar.
A couple of salient points:
- Collingwood were a side that had been playing deep in September for a number of years. We just had a flukey run in the 2nd half of 2023 and are realistically a middle of the road side.
- They had a generational player in Nick Daicos coming into their team

I'm certainly not against trading away some our established players however I doubt it will result in immediate success. Hopefully Graham Wright realises this.

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H.L. Mencken

all of those players are emblematic of our problems. leaders who don't lead, don't set the standard, don't drive the pace.

harry is conditional, charlie is lazy, cripps is selfish, walsh has a chronic injury & is limited (tries his guts out tho) and weiters wants to win and is frustrated by all of the above.

i think we need to trade those players out and re-tool. it won't be immediate success, but hopefully along the timeframe of jagga hitting his prime, we are primed for 17.

this current list will not win a flag. hell, it might not even make another final 8.

Yes I agree - and don't forget Cody Walker

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'The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule it'
H.L. Mencken

Cody Walker, Jagga Smith... the exciting new talent is already here or been identified. That's why we don't need to trade everyone of value for raffle tickets - oops I mean draft picks. Maybe one or two, but I'd rather look for speed, skill and winning mentality in that aforementioned age bracket where we shat the bed. And a grizzled veteran leader to kick some of our conditional players into order.

SHould probably go to Richmond if he wants success - their list profile for Cody is as good or better than ours

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Mate , you are stating the obvious . Why have they become like this ? reckon after carrying so many on your back for so long you must get tired and browned off . They are humans , not robots as many expect them to be . Reckon the hierarchy need a ginger up there clacker to get a bit of decent support for them . They are worn out . I repeat , they are not robots .

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i hope it's not true, but heard it from two different people/ groups now ... walker prefers the tigers and friendships he has there over the father son & blue connection.

can anyone offer contrary info (he asks hopefully, crossing his fingers lol)?

not possible while they all take the lionshare of the cap.

stop defending them mate. they've done nothing, achieved very little. they deserve the blow torch to be applied. who exactly are they?

lets hope they stand up. but i think they'll collect their massive paychecks and waltz off into the twilight of their footy careers while their real careers start.

Who are they ? couple of Brownlows in there , couple of Coleman's in there , a few All Australians in there , that all . Sure there the problem .

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I haven’t heard anything either way but how would he be sure to get to the Tigers? They are currently 16th and IMO on a better trajectory that will have them a few rungs higher by the time of the 2026 draft. He might have a choice between
Carlton or West Coast, Port Adelaide, St Kilda or… or even Carlton if we continue to slide!

PS. I’m fine with any of our leaders who don’t want to be there to leave. We need the draft capital and we need the salary cap space.

And I definitely do not want our club paying TDK or anyone else anything like $1.5m.
And if the rumours are true that Luke Jackson wants to come back to Melbourne, we could take over his salary for under $1m. Or there are a number of ruckmen we could get, assuming HOK is not up to it (although maybe he is) for well under $1m.

We have options. We just need the fortitude to pull the trigger.

*Paging bluehammer*

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#DonTheStash

Was it KB who said it? That's box seat stuff right there

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Like the year before, last year we should've traded a top player like Harry and targeted a gun midfielder and a Houston.
Instead we traded out 2 reliable mid tier players, 1 injured gun and replaced them with kids.
The rumours on cap space problems were true and we are being hamstrung by big contracts still.
And just like our trading 2 top picks for 1, we still have the messiah complex at the club.
Relying on too few to win us a premiership with no depth and a hole behind them.
Drafting, trading and overvaluing players has been our Achilles heel for too long now.
And until this is fixed we could have Jesus coaching the club and we would still be mid tier.

individual accolades in a team game. right.

how about flags mick? the true test of a team, and a captain and leadership and want and will and desire.

the rumour (shit, i hate rumours) was that walker jnr said it to richmond people, that's where his heart is. and then it was all compounded on a facebook page when one of the parents of the kids he plays with at the richmond academy verified the convo.


it all sounds like a mighty big troll to me. but i'm known for living in denial lol

maybe at some point the club decided this group was not The Group

and so Jagga, the twins, O'Farrell

and more the next 2 years

and then we'll be ready...in about 5 years after that...

so 2032 well be ready!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!