Attacking the poster... wenrt you saying things like "leading the charge".. "shouldnt be having a go at Ratts"/// yeah im paraphrasing cos i cant be arsed going back and fossicking through your stuff.. going through it once was enough..

basically you were saying im wrong for having strong views on my club...

sure i might be wrong.... and everything is going to be honky dory like you believe it will be.....

but hey... call me a cynic...
Dyogenis happens to be a hero of mine...

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haha honky dory.......... Far from

Sinners, I would appreciate you stop attributing stuff to me that I have not said or implied.

Example


Why do you always have to go after the man? Oh, and what about explaining how we get the best coach... pls - I am actually interested.

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I dont disagree about the process Synbad. The whole situation was poorly constructed and unprofessional at best.
As I stated earlier, I'm not a Ratten apologist.
I suspect he's an excellent development coach but still finding his feet as a head coach.

I do however think he is blamed for things that are beyond his control by some posters. The reality is we beat a team who has won 10 of our past 11 encounters. I'll take that as an achievement.

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Last night is still fooling a few pretty easily

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BV and others were right about Pagan

Maybe BV and others are right about Ratten


Ratten had the second youngest list in the comp over in Perth and come up trumps and if you take Judd out who is there really not much but a bunch of kids and a big kid up forward .
He really needed Waite and Walker this year to push further up the ladder and the games Carrazzo and Grigg missed were important - Carrotts was brilliant on the weekend


I still don't know about Ratten some of the stuff he says and does puzzles me ( but I'm pretty Stupid)

I will guess the next eight weeks will see if he is made of the right stuff - Relatively easy draw and we should win 6 or at least 5 of them - anything less supporters are well with in their rights to question him


As far as going through the process of selecting a coach Carlton has never done it and they are the most successful club in the comp

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But if you don't change with the times SB you get left behind pretty quickly...it's been 14 years now and the last 8 have been disasters....now is not the time to stick to the tried and tested. Now is the time to dare to be different to be innovative to take calculated risks, to create a new destiny based on new ideas...

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Ok we wontr blame him for having us that well drilled Army is the playmaker..

BTW i love Army (not armies)... im anti war...)... he needs roles that suit him...

i wont blame Ratts for having more trouble than any other club kicking out..

and i wont blame Ratts for not having a gameplan outside possesion footy....and terribly executed at that...

Im was being sarcastic BV.. as youd know... but seriously... i really find a hell of a lot of things we shouldnt be struggling with and we are...

And i STRONGLY believe we have a "she will be right mentality" at Carlton...

and i believe there are a few people massively concerned with the culture of the place... both with how things operate around the place and around the footy ........................................


Id be very disappointed if Sticks is still there as president next year......
.... and we dont have a real overhaul in the coaching dept.. around Ratts.... and he would have to improve massively on the fundamantals to see out his fourth year.....

Im really concerned....


Syd ...yes.. but you cant say why hes right... you cannot put your finger on one thing that would convince an agnostic that Ratts is the man.. right??

Irs the vibe isnt it...... ????

Aka darts....

% tells you its wrong... no process... no grounding.... you might as well go to the casino and put it all on number 3...

There is nothing there that suggests he can do the job properly... just hope... but he did bring the Carlton swagger...you wanted... but hey.. without doing everything else right.. thats already evaporated...

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Couldn't you say that the board/club choosing Ratten is exactly that?

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Just in regard to "process". I actually agree that the club should have talked to a few more possible coaches at the time, but which process should really be employed? Do psych tests (and again - in the corporate sector they often don't ensure the right choice), interviews and powerpoint presentations really ensure you end up with the best coach.

Does asking ppl (e.g. Walls) to be part of a committee do the trick? I don't know. Having an assistant coach audition for 6 rounds tell you more then presentations?

In the end it probably comes down to that somebody with very good knowledge of football, the club and people takes a punt based on his gut...... there are no guarantees.

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Yep and when you shit in your toilet does a wagon come around and collect it still???

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Can you tell us at which level? Is this Board level? Are these a few disgruntled ppl (always some at every club) ?



Agree with that.



Based on what? Assistant coaches? Are you saying Icke is incompetent? He is after all head the department.


Would be nice to get a bit more "meat" on your statements.

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No you couldnt because by choosing Ratten on a whim is not being different (cuz its what we've always done), its not a calculated risk (it is pure risk as no calculations/process were involved) and it certainly isn't based on any new idea or new direction where we've basically gone for a likelable ex player.

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Do you know for sure that Ratten was chosen on a whim and nothing more?

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Well let me put it this way when Voss pulled out we appointed Ratten without any other names having been considered...what would you call that?

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Not having been privy to the board's decision, I don't know whether anyone else was considered alongside Voss and Ratten. So as such, I'm not going to make a public judgement about it.

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The club did not come out and say that there were others considered and so you have to assume there weren't. In any case they would not have been able to keep it from the media anyway. Had there have been others considered we woud all have known about it back then let alone by now.

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Not an unfair assumption to make. But it is just that, an assumption.

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I'm a nervous optimist concerning Ratten. I hope its all steam ahead, but this season has shaken my faith a bit. However, assuming that Ratten is going to be at the helm for the next season and a half at least, and that working out what we need to succeed is more important than the past... what do people think need to happen to our coaching staff/footy dept?

Aside from replace Ratts (which is not going to happen this year), what do those who want changes want to happen? What should the Blues put in to place, or who should the Blues recruit to add to the coaching staff? Is there an extra piece out there that you think will take us to number 17?

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Not sure we'd get "the process" right, if we did use a process, we'd definitely need a process to assess "the process"....yup