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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:59 pm 
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verbs wrote:
:lol: :lol:

E

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Yes verbs... My favourite icecream is the EGO Magnum ...

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Synbad wrote:
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:lol: :lol:

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Yes verbs... My favourite icecream is the EGO Magnum ...


SOOOOOOOOOO

powerful?

Nah...FOS!!!


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Bye campo thanks for the memories hope all goes well at your other club.


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Camporeale's focus needed to be on the process, the process of incrementally assisting the club to re-build. Instead, his mind was and is elsewhere. It's a mind set, and his just isn't in the right spot. He should consider himself fortunate to have won a Flag. He could consider himself on great money, loyal to one club, and now his role is to help the re-building, to teach the youngsters like a father would. But no, it's more about ME. I don't think the word 'ultraistic' can be deployed for Camporeale very easily. When the going gets tough, the tough get going, out the door :x


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Hmm...11.23pm....what will I do tomorrow?

I am SO DISILLUSIONED!!!!!!!

Thank YOU DEANO!!!

Sunday has no meaning! :lol: :roll:

Geez! I have no life. :roll:

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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So Verbs how often do u take tool in hand and go home?

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sandramd wrote:
So Verbs how often do u take tool in hand and go home?


Deary me.
I love definitions....hypo...what???

:roll:

S.A.D..... :(

Why do they bother?


Beats................


.......................................................ME!

ego ego ego...oi oi oi


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rofl clown

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i went to a Jack Welch (former ceo of GE) talk recently and he was talking about when a new CEO comes in or when companies merge there are always people who resist the change - and as he said, some of these resisters are very talented people who you want to keep.But in all cases he stressed you must get rid of them and quickly. It will not be their talent that shines through but rather their willingness to continue to resist and poison the rest of the company. It is better for the company and the individual if they part company quickly. It usually leads to them being happy in a new environment and the company geting a united team.


I was about to make a post about this guy the other day for another theory of his I heard mentioned in a lecture...

Something about the fact that every year 20% of employees at an organization are the "C grade performers", and his plan was to simply get rid of that 20% at the end of every year and replace them with new recruits. The employees dont particularly like it, i dont think (well the C grade 20% wouldnt) but it keeps them on their toes, and obviously he's had a bit of luck with it... Apparently he emphasizes the point that no matter how big or small the organization, approximately 20% must be turned over every year... Guess there's no salary cap in the business world though..

So we'd have to get rid of about 8 players every year and then bring in new blood... Most clubs would go close to that anyways though wouldnt they?

Still, interesting stuff...

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It's ironic and sad we can say this sort of marginalising is okay in the football spectrum, when really we all know companies and the way they act sucks about as bad as it gets.


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Well of course it's okay............ it's uh........fooooooty!!!!

What a crock of shit!

Footy breeds hypocrites...left right and centre.

Sanctimonious....losers..."I am so righteous, I know what is best for the Carlton Footy Club...why???

ROLF

I HAVE INSIDE INFORMATION!!

Yeah

Sure

You

Do!!!

Liar!


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I think I agree with most people here, this is pretty pathetic by Campo and is basically an admission that "when the going gets tough, I get going". But then again, I'm hardly disappointed he's leaving. It would have been nice for him to acknowledge his own faults, accept that he had been paid over the odds by the club for years and sign a reasonable contract and really knuckle down to try and help get the club back on track. This article just shows how unrealistic that idea was and I think shows a lack of character. He is definitely not the sort of guy I would want mentoring young players, and it worries me that he has likely been carrying this type of attitude for the last few years.

He never lived up to his potential really, and these admissions show why he didn't. He has always been accused of lacking heart and liking it easy, which it was never going to be once Williams, Brown, Ratten and Bradley retired. This really just confirms that he didn't have the dedication or drive needed to be a top player. Carlton has been paying him the sort of money that only champions should earn, when in fact he has been a good solid player at best, and not even that consistently. Plus his constant whinging, petulance and ill-disipline (bitch-slapping Holland for example) were just embarassing.


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Barney wrote:
I think I agree with most people here, this is pretty pathetic by Campo and is basically an admission that "when the going gets tough, I get going". But then again, I'm hardly disappointed he's leaving. It would have been nice for him to acknowledge his own faults, accept that he had been paid over the odds by the club for years and sign a reasonable contract and really knuckle down to try and help get the club back on track. This article just shows how unrealistic that idea was and I think shows a lack of character. He is definitely not the sort of guy I would want mentoring young players, and it worries me that he has likely been carrying this type of attitude for the last few years.

He never lived up to his potential really, and these admissions show why he didn't. He has always been accused of lacking heart and liking it easy, which it was never going to be once Williams, Brown, Ratten and Bradley retired. This really just confirms that he didn't have the dedication or drive needed to be a top player. Carlton has been paying him the sort of money that only champions should earn, when in fact he has been a good solid player at best, and not even that consistently. Plus his constant whinging, petulance and ill-disipline (bitch-slapping Holland for example) were just embarassing.


Hit.

Nail.

Head.

Beautifully put, Barney.

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Great insight into the mind of campo...

Going got tough

So he got going.

Couldn't handle losing anymore. Couldnt be a leader to any of the youngsters either.

So off he goes to try and win some more games, leaving behind a gaping hole he could never fill.

Off ya go.

ps So why choose Essendon*? Why notpick the Saints, or Kangaroos - someone who is going to play finals again? Are you that much of a fool??


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Got no problems with Campo doing a runner myself.Lets get to the guts of it.He detests Pagan and cant stand being in the guys presence.An insufferable work situation.And i reckon if any of us were in a work situation like that we would bale out pronto.Fair enough i reckon.........And please,no tiresome show me the proof.Show me the proof that Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.You cant,but we all know its true.

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:lol: A lot of people would not only deny that Neil Armstrong was on the moon, but would then go on to say how best to walk on the moon.

Players leaving clubs goes on all the time. Beats me why it has people so worked up though.


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jim wrote:
phoenix johnson wrote:
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He basically said Pagan was a factor in his decision. The only scum bag at Carlton is our coach and as soon as we get rid of this cancer the better.


Oh dear lord.

So who would you rather have coaching us?

Would any other coach in the league have the balls to take on a challenge as big as ours?
Preferably someone who doesn't keep losing the players as Pagan keeps doing. That's the reason why we are in shit. If Campo can't work with him, and he's probably not the only one, then he should go somewhere where he's happy. In the same position, wouldn't we all? We asked players to be loyal, but sometimes the most disloyal is the club. They get rid of you at the drop of a hat when it suits them. Be very few here who would know what the real situation is with Campo, so it's hard to have an informed opinion on the subject.


See, it all comes back to willing to put in the hard yards to get the best out of yourself. It would appear that Campo was put out of place when Denis arrived because Campo wasn't used to his methods and still isn't.

It's no secret that Denis is a taskmaster when it comes to coaching, but this is what the club needs given the situation we are in.

Like I said, there is no other coach in the AFL who would be willing to take on the challenges that we face at the moment. Most of them would have given up after 1, maybe 2, seasons.

Actually I think the only coach, apart from Denis, who would take on the challenge would be Leigh Matthews, but he would be an impossible target to acquire so we have the next best.

I'm glad Denis is being an absolute hardarse to these no good bludgers who aren't willing to adapt to his methods. For years now these pricks have been sucking the club dry and just drifting along. Now that someone has come along to put them into line, they have a sook about it.
Not if you keep losing them. Gets you no-where. you want someone with good man-management skills that gets the best out of the players, not finish 15th and last in 2 of your 3 years where the players are disineterested and lack direction. If he didn't keep losing them then they wouldn't be no-good bludgers because the players would play for him.


Hey jimmy, sometimes it's in the players character and there is only
so much a coach can do. Don't tell me you're that blind that you
can't see Campo's true character in that article? It's full of lies, hypocrisy
and half truths. Just compare him to blokes like Buckley, Voss, Brown and
other great players who have had contract negotiations and you can see
that there is a world of difference.

I don't mind that he is leaving, it's his choice, but the most disappointing
thing was that he couldn't say anything positive about the club, a club that has looked after him extremely well over such a long period of time.
How many players can you keep losing, 2003 versions, 2005 versions. Virtually different teams. Tells you something. I agreed with you after 2003, but to happen again., well, I think it might be the coach. Think he lacks man-management skills...badly. someone mentioned Terry Wallace before. I think we'd be pushing finals under him as we would be playing committed football, as during the Wizard Cup. He's a top coach that relates well to his players.


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someone mentioned Terry Wallace before. I think we'd be pushing finals under him ... He's a top coach that relates well to his players.


He related well to ONE player. He's coaching him now, again.

So Tanned Terry is a good man-manager? Remind me, what state was the Bulldogs' list in when Wallet left?

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Are the younger players unhappy with Pagan?

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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
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someone mentioned Terry Wallace before. I think we'd be pushing finals under him ... He's a top coach that relates well to his players.


He related well to ONE player. He's coaching him now, again.

So Tanned Terry is a good man-manager? Remind me, what state was the Bulldogs' list in when Wallet left?


probably not that bad given that most of the senior team now had been drafted in the 2-3 years before he left.

What was the state of their list like befroe he started?

He coached them to their most successful period in history. People forget that

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