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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:07 pm 
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I can’t for the life of me work out why we play really well and then suddenly change style, which then goes badly.

My strongest theory is that we mentally switch off or lighten our intensity once we think we have a handle on the game, we lose momentum, let the opposition back in, and then can’t pull it back. I think this has happened several times starting with Richmond but also including the Bulldogs and the Giants, among others.

During the second quarter, there were several moments we just didn’t make sure of the situation (lazy dribble for goal, dropped chest marks, sloppy hand passes and kicks) which signalled that things were changing. Then, I noticed we’d stopped running to provide options, began stopping and kicking to contests instead of to a lead. And then the leads dried up so we continued to bomb it forward (including from defence).

This happens during games, but also week-to-week if we win a couple of games, we look like we think it will all just happen.

I reckon Voss is super frustrated (like the rest of us) and dumbfounded about what to do about it which is why he keeps saying that we know what it looks like when it works but we just need to do it for longer.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:14 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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I think its fair to say we put the cue in the rack after going up 10 goals to 1 halfway through the second.

Early Saturday game coming up, red eye flight, injury to Charlie. Not worth it.


Trav is that you?


I will give credit when its due and criticism when it is warranted.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:25 pm 
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I think its fair to say we put the cue in the rack after going up 10 goals to 1 halfway through the second.

Early Saturday game coming up, red eye flight, injury to Charlie. Not worth it.


Trav is that you?


I will give credit when its due and criticism when it is warranted.


Good on you Trav :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:30 pm 
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Vossy in the presser

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"There was a bit to deal with at half time. Our talls were our major issue in not having them, so we were working out who was going to be second ruck and if we were going to play a small forward line, were we going to shift anyone from the front half to the back half.

"There was a fair bit to think about, but that’s an unusual spanner that we got thrown. We probably didn’t adapt as well as we’d like, but we feel like our intensity dropped a little too much and strayed from what set us up in a really good position in the first half."


Its not like there was a different game plan, but dropping the intensity as well as losing our big boys to injury caused the drop off.

Proves we know what to do, and make us quick but.....

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:34 pm 
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Vossy's presser

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"We weren’t able to play at the same intensity. After half time, it’s not a fatigue thing, it’s are we still valuing the right things? Does the scoreboard actually matter?


"Our challenge is how will we sustain that? Because we’re not right now, so we need to be able to sustain that for longer than what we are, but it’s not because the players won’t have a really clear picture of what works. We’ve got that clear picture, but obviously we’re not playing it for long enough."


Can't blame the game plan.

I think Vossy knows players took foot off the peddle after getting 57 points in front by half time. This is a common occurence.

Counting their chickens before they're hatched.

This is where I question Leadership.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:51 pm 
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West Coast v Carlton

9 Adam Cerra (CARL)
9 George Hewett (CARL)
3 Jaxon Binns (CARL)
3 Mitch McGovern (CARL)
2 Harley Reid (WCE)
2 Alex Cincotta (CARL)
1 Tom McCarthy (WCE)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:57 pm 
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Damning stat. We lead the half time ladder by a fair way, 11-2, 133%, yet we sit 6-7. Real pattern right there.



There in lies the frustration of being a Carlton supporter. I've never been so pissed off at a Carlton team. This side promises so much and delivers naught but disappointment

I can't for the life of me work out of its a fitness thing or instructional from the coaching group led by Voss. Are they trying to play tempo footy? We are capable of dynamic exciting football which is what we do early, but then we try to slow the game down and manage it. Problem is we can't turn it back on. Once we slow the tempo down, all we do is invite the opposition into the game. Then they get a sniff and their belief grows while we get stuck in a run of negative, slow dour ball movement and can't snap out of it.

I just can't see this happening if Craig Macrae was at the helm. The buck has to stop at Voss. Another wasted season beckons. And another wasted generation of talented footballers at the Carlton football club under an inept coach

I couldn't agree more.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:03 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
jim wrote:
Damning stat. We lead the half time ladder by a fair way, 11-2, 133%, yet we sit 6-7. Real pattern right there.



There in lies the frustration of being a Carlton supporter. I've never been so pissed off at a Carlton team. This side promises so much and delivers naught but disappointment

I can't for the life of me work out of its a fitness thing or instructional from the coaching group led by Voss. Are they trying to play tempo footy? We are capable of dynamic exciting football which is what we do early, but then we try to slow the game down and manage it. Problem is we can't turn it back on. Once we slow the tempo down, all we do is invite the opposition into the game. Then they get a sniff and their belief grows while we get stuck in a run of negative, slow dour ball movement and can't snap out of it.

I just can't see this happening if Craig Macrae was at the helm. The buck has to stop at Voss. Another wasted season beckons. And another wasted generation of talented footballers at the Carlton football club under an inept coach


for mine, it's coaching and/or fitness.

we get the lead with run and dare and looking for the corridor. then we slow it down to the contested grind along the wings and slow play it. that is 100% instructional from the box.

are players getting told not to run & overlap bcos it bends them out of defensive shape and voss is happy with what we got? or, does voss/ coaching tell them to slow it down bcos they know they aren't fit enough (like say pies, cats) to do this for 4 qtrs?


either way ... for me. coaching has to take the fall. they can do better with this list.

someone mentioned earlier. with no walsh i was looking forward to lord in the middle. the only mid who sticks tackles, lowers his eyes and delivers a beautiful F50 kick. but no, voss sticks motlop and his zero contest, zero awareness, poor footskills game into the middle. it kills me.

keeps picking docherty, and every week docherty does very little. another game of turnovers while his direct opponent runs past his jogging ass time and time again.


You may be right. Someone’s view has to be close to the pin.

For the first time this season Vossy said clearly he didn’t want them to drop the intensity. They obviously did.

What shits me is why didn’t he motivate them to take on the game in the last quarter. I know the conditions were shit, but shit for both sides. The players aren’t listening or the coach is not instructing. That’s anyones guess if it’s one of those two reason.

If players aren’t capable of playin 4 quarters of a contest, that’s another issue altogether.

I’m stumped.

Maybe they need to find out who is responsible for putting sleeping tablets in the quarter time gatorade.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:08 pm 
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Effes wrote:
West Coast v Carlton

9 Adam Cerra (CARL)
9 George Hewett (CARL)
3 Jaxon Binns (CARL)
3 Mitch McGovern (CARL)
2 Harley Reid (WCE)
2 Alex Cincotta (CARL)
1 Tom McCarthy (WCE)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)


Well done Binns :clap: Played his best game for the club.

So glad Cincotta got recognition. :thumbsup:

I can live with McQalter giving his boys 1 and 2 votes.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:44 pm 
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I can live with him giving his blokes votes - but didn't think Reid was much chop at all.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:53 pm 
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I can live with him giving his blokes votes - but didn't think Reid was much chop at all.
Unless the criteria was being a knob

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:59 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Effes wrote:
West Coast v Carlton

9 Adam Cerra (CARL)
9 George Hewett (CARL)
3 Jaxon Binns (CARL)
3 Mitch McGovern (CARL)
2 Harley Reid (WCE)
2 Alex Cincotta (CARL)
1 Tom McCarthy (WCE)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)


Well done Binns :clap: Played his best game for the club.

So glad Cincotta got recognition. :thumbsup:

I can live with McQalter giving his boys 1 and 2 votes.

Who gave him the votes?
One gave 3, the other 0 and Gov the 3

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:01 pm 
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Am I the only one who thought Binns wasn't that good and butchered most of his touches?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:04 pm 
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Am I the only one who thought Binns wasn't that good and butchered most of his touches?

Nope

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:06 pm 
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Am I the only one who thought Binns wasn't that good and butchered most of his touches?


and couldn't run in the last Q

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:43 pm 
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Effes wrote:
West Coast v Carlton

9 Adam Cerra (CARL)
9 George Hewett (CARL)
3 Jaxon Binns (CARL)
3 Mitch McGovern (CARL)
2 Harley Reid (WCE)
2 Alex Cincotta (CARL)
1 Tom McCarthy (WCE)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)


Can someone explain how a guy has 272 more metres gained than any other player on the ground and doesn’t get in the votes


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:29 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Binns wasn't that good and butchered most of his touches?


Add me to that list.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:24 pm 
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How the @#$%&! does Reid get off with a fine for a deliberate elbow to the head?

And you get 3 weeks for laying a perfect tackle. Games cooked.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:51 pm 
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How the @#$%&! does Reid get off with a fine for a deliberate elbow to the head?

And you get 3 weeks for laying a perfect tackle. Games cooked.

Baffling isn't it?


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