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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:52 pm 
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Cincotta on Stewart…any chance?

Stewart learned from that tag and heads to the midfield when tagged….and Cincotta would just follow him in there



buddy, cincotta wasn't overly impressive when he was fully fit. a little purple patch of about 5 games as a tagger is his claim to fame.

there's no way he comes straight back into the team, let alone a winning team.

if fit, the same 22 that rolled out on friday should all get a gig again and see if they can double-down .


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:57 pm 
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Ollie or Acres to play on Smith?

Hewitt to Holmes.

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if young keeps pace with his commitment for the ball and that urgency he played with on friday, he's much better for this team and structure than harry imo. i honestly believe we need more of a defensive tall forward with a commitment to the desperate acts, much more than we need a 2nd banana to charlie.

clear out the forward line, let young do a defensive job on their best/ 2nd best tall, bringing the ball to the deck and let the smalls and mids swarm with defensive pressure.

i don't think harry is gritty enough to do that selfless role of 1%'ers and bringing the ball to the deck? hell, i didn't think young was either until friday night. young can still clunk a mark too, so it's not like we suffer a let down in the only area that harry has been providing..

A proper defensive pack won’t leave the door open for 2nd and 3rd effort knock ons.



yeah, agreed. but pressure and commitment and desire is always welcome. and even the best will cough it up. cats were all over the place at times today. i think we can get to them.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:20 pm 
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Ollie or Acres to play on Smith?
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Ollie. Smith hasn't got the physical power that would trouble him.


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Ollie or Acres to play on Smith?

Hewitt to Holmes.

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George is one of the in form mids of the comp.
The opposition would be looking at George, not the other way around.
I don't think you go looking for a tag option for your best ball winning mid

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diesel_85 wrote:
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Ollie or Acres to play on Smith?

Hewitt to Holmes.

Regards Cazzesman


George is one of the in form mids of the comp.
The opposition would be looking at George, not the other way around.
I don't think you go looking for a tag option for your best ball winning mid


Call it a matchup rather than a tag.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 9:06 pm 
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Ollie or Acres to play on Smith?
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Ollie. Smith hasn't got the physical power that would trouble him.

I find that hard to believe.

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I'm biased, but Bailey Smith should get a week :grin:

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I'm biased, but Bailey Smith should get a week :grin:

Yep Rance got $1000 ten years ago so adjusting for inflation comes out at about one week imo

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:01 am 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Ollie or Acres to play on Smith?

Hewitt to Holmes.

Regards Cazzesman


George is one of the in form mids of the comp.
The opposition would be looking at George, not the other way around.
I don't think you go looking for a tag option for your best ball winning mid


George plays his best footy when he has a role. Which he has most weeks. He's not a "tagger"but he has a more defensive role than the rest of our mids. He was BOG on the weekend but his principle role was reducing the impact of LDU. Which he did perfectly and then played off him when we had possession.
He will go to Smith IMO. Smith is playing almost exclusively midfield and Ollie has no form there. George doesn't have the explosive run of Smith but he showed against Daicos that he has the smarts and strength to disrupt faster players access to the ball.

The call on Harry is interesting. I'd suggest he'll come back in but it will be interesting to see the impact on the forward line. Obviously he's a far superior talent compared to Young and offers significantly more impact when he's on song but I like the selfless behaviours we're seeing in the front half at the moment. Harry can be a star but the last thing I'd call Harry is selfless.

Young just does his role. He plays on the best interceptor (Lobb, Moore, Barrass) and he's rarely outmarked. His role is to reduce their effectiveness and to keep them away from Charlies leading lanes. None of those 3 had more than 3 marks for the game. Comben had a bit of the ball Friday but he wasn't a factor for them at all. The current structure gives us a reference point for our smalls instead of diluting it. They can lead up at the ball carrier or get back to Charlies feet and get to work. Especially when we have a 6 on 6 restart. I like the effectiveness and with the majority of crumbs being in the corridor, it is working well for our efficiency.

Dangerfield will be the interesting match up. He only attended maybe 1 centre bounce against the Hawks? Perhaps they're protecting him for a 6 day turn around against us but Smith, Atkins, Holmes and to a lesser extent Knevitt and Danger have been their preferred combination. What a great test for our boys.
I like the challenge. We'll know a lot more about the team in a weeks time.

Personally, I'd be tempted to bring Harry back as the sub. If the forward line functions well and we're winning, give him a run on the wing or similar. If the forward line isn't functioning, sub him in.
I suspect having Young as the "disruptor" in our front half will work well against the Cats.

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if young keeps pace with his commitment for the ball and that urgency he played with on friday, he's much better for this team and structure than harry imo. i honestly believe we need more of a defensive tall forward with a commitment to the desperate acts, much more than we need a 2nd banana to charlie.

clear out the forward line, let young do a defensive job on their best/ 2nd best tall, bringing the ball to the deck and let the smalls and mids swarm with defensive pressure.

i don't think harry is gritty enough to do that selfless role of 1%'ers and bringing the ball to the deck? hell, i didn't think young was either until friday night. young can still clunk a mark too, so it's not like we suffer a let down in the only area that harry has been providing..

You seriously think Young has more Grit than Harry? I admit they are both on the lower end of the scale, but Young shits himself, particulary with ball in hand.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:29 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
diesel_85 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Ollie or Acres to play on Smith?

Hewitt to Holmes.

Regards Cazzesman


George is one of the in form mids of the comp.
The opposition would be looking at George, not the other way around.
I don't think you go looking for a tag option for your best ball winning mid


George plays his best footy when he has a role. Which he has most weeks. He's not a "tagger"but he has a more defensive role than the rest of our mids. He was BOG on the weekend but his principle role was reducing the impact of LDU. Which he did perfectly and then played off him when we had possession.
He will go to Smith IMO. Smith is playing almost exclusively midfield and Ollie has no form there. George doesn't have the explosive run of Smith but he showed against Daicos that he has the smarts and strength to disrupt faster players access to the ball.

The call on Harry is interesting. I'd suggest he'll come back in but it will be interesting to see the impact on the forward line. Obviously he's a far superior talent compared to Young and offers significantly more impact when he's on song but I like the selfless behaviours we're seeing in the front half at the moment. Harry can be a star but the last thing I'd call Harry is selfless.

Young just does his role. He plays on the best interceptor (Lobb, Moore, Barrass) and he's rarely outmarked. His role is to reduce their effectiveness and to keep them away from Charlies leading lanes. None of those 3 had more than 3 marks for the game. Comben had a bit of the ball Friday but he wasn't a factor for them at all. The current structure gives us a reference point for our smalls instead of diluting it. They can lead up at the ball carrier or get back to Charlies feet and get to work. Especially when we have a 6 on 6 restart. I like the effectiveness and with the majority of crumbs being in the corridor, it is working well for our efficiency.

Dangerfield will be the interesting match up. He only attended maybe 1 centre bounce against the Hawks? Perhaps they're protecting him for a 6 day turn around against us but Smith, Atkins, Holmes and to a lesser extent Knevitt and Danger have been their preferred combination. What a great test for our boys.
I like the challenge. We'll know a lot more about the team in a weeks time.

Personally, I'd be tempted to bring Harry back as the sub. If the forward line functions well and we're winning, give him a run on the wing or similar. If the forward line isn't functioning, sub him in.
I suspect having Young as the "disruptor" in our front half will work well against the Cats.


I think our defensive pressure in the forward line is essentially difference between us winning and losing games. Moir and Harry are appalling in this regard and it leads to us being killed on the rebound. Lewis was pretty good I thought against North. I can see Harry as a sub but I would prefer to keep him out of the forward line if possible. Maybe on a wing.

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Harry provides better pressure than Charlie.


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Yeah, I also think Charlie's defensive work is woeful. I think though that he contributes a bit more because he's not as easily pushed aside in marking contests and is more agile at ground level.

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stubba?

You're in a footy thread?

Did you get lost? :lol:

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kingkerna wrote:
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if young keeps pace with his commitment for the ball and that urgency he played with on friday, he's much better for this team and structure than harry imo. i honestly believe we need more of a defensive tall forward with a commitment to the desperate acts, much more than we need a 2nd banana to charlie.

clear out the forward line, let young do a defensive job on their best/ 2nd best tall, bringing the ball to the deck and let the smalls and mids swarm with defensive pressure.

i don't think harry is gritty enough to do that selfless role of 1%'ers and bringing the ball to the deck? hell, i didn't think young was either until friday night. young can still clunk a mark too, so it's not like we suffer a let down in the only area that harry has been providing..

You seriously think Young has more Grit than Harry? I admit they are both on the lower end of the scale, but Young shits himself, particulary with ball in hand.



based on the weekend's game. yes. young committed more desperate footy acts and showed more grit than
a) i ever knew he had
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b) than what harry is capable of over his entire career


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:10 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Harry provides better pressure than Charlie.


Statistically over their careers, the numbers are almost identical. But that's not what they're there for.
Their job is to mark the ball or not get outmarked. To create a contest, bring the smalls into the game and to be a physical presence in the front half.
As a collective, Carlton average the 2nd most tackles inside 50 in the AFL. That happens by everyone playing their role.

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GWS wrote:
stubba?

You're in a footy thread?

Did you get lost? :lol:


Going undercover in an attempt to reinvent himself :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Guess what...........................we'll always know. Plus CK never forgets a thing. :donk: :donk: :donk:

Welcome to football talk.............any thoughts on Vossy as Coach or the 2 rucks discussion? :confused:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:13 pm 
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GWS wrote:
stubba?

You're in a footy thread?

Did you get lost? :lol:


I was looking for the bar. :grin:

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we need to get into smith head ,niggle,bump,smart about it put him off his game and holmes is other player needs to be stopped ??????


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